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lords_of_acid
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Print Post

This lady bartender took my long island iced tea order and went to give something to a friend and chatted for about 15 seconds or so. I told her "Are you going to make my drink?" She told me "There's no need for that attitude." I told her well "Customer's come FIRST and that she wouldn't get a tip!" She said "I don't care about your tip!"

She got ZERO from me for holding my cup in her hand as she was giving a "PERSONAL ITEM" to a person. I think that is WRONG, especially because she "TALKED" also taking up "My TIME" to serve a NON-PAYING CUSTOMER at that particular moment. When she's a CUSTOMER, I DOUBT IT, that she likes it when she has WAIT LONGER for "PERSONAL ISSUES", so WHY make me wait have that NASTY ATTITUDE back at me? She should have APOLOGIZED to ME for making me WAIT LONGER for "HER" "PERSONAL" situation. She took my order to go to give someone their stuff while she was holding the syrofoam cup in her hand as well as said some things to that guy. Which DID take up "THE CUSTOMER'S" time. The tip is for "GOOD SERVICE" NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, to put the "FRIENDS items BEFORE customer's." She took my order, she SHOULD HAVE fulfilled it in it's ENTIRETY, THEN, and ONLY THEN should she have got the missing item. "I" ordered "BEFORE" that person did, so WHY in the "HELL" she is having that NASTY ATTITUDE as if "I'm" the one that's the villian, when SHE IS" all the WAY? She's a BITCH!

I would like some opinions to see "HOW many people would agree with that "CUSTOMER'S COME FIRST?" Especially considering that is "HER" job to "SERVE" the PUBLIC and her tips are "MORE IMCOME". Hell, I was glad when I worked at the donut shop to get an extra quarter even, much less the dollar she "COULD HAVE had" IF she would have NOT EVER put a "PERSONAL ISSUE" BEFORE her JOB!

She was a BITCH! I don't respect that in the least. As if to tell me "There was no need for that attitude when she DELAYED a "CUSTOMER'S" drink for "HER" PERSONAL situation. She explained she had to give something to someone. Like I'm suppose to care about that when I had JUST ordered. What kind of people are in this world? I NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, did that.

As I said before, at the donut shop I made sure that the lady got her buttermilk donut THIRD, as if she was in a line. I actually waited BEHIND someone to order my drink as to wait "MY TURN" as if it SHOULD BE! ZERO RESPECT leaves ZERO TIP!

As if "She" would want to wait LONGER if she was "THE CUSTOMER?" I doubt that seriously, especially if she was late or somthing like that. She's a bitch that "ONLY CARES ABOUT "HERSELF"." As I said before, I COMPLETELY STOPPED what I was talking about to do "MY JOB" and that is HOW it SHOULD BE!

Customer's are the way to tips. They are NOT "PERSONAL ISSUES" nor a shot or a "Personal item" or a conversation. The extra money, which is the "TIP", is for "TO INSURE PROPER SERVICE." There was NO NEED to "WAIT LONGER" for her to give something to a friend instead of "SERVING ME." You play, you pay, by NEVER getting a tip for that particular service. You treat me better NEXT TIME, I'll treat you better NEXT TIME. Treat others the WAY "YOU'D" like to be treated as if "YOU" were the customer that was waiting. I don't appreciate "PERSONAL CHATTER" over "BUSINESS." Sure, I didn't work EVERY second at the donut shop, BUT, I DID serve people whether I was in the middle of a convestation or not. That is "HOW" things SHOULD be! I INTERRUPTED conversations to "SERVE." NOT ONLY for my income, but for "RESPECT." I HATE it when people put personal issues before me, so I NEVER did it to them.

I'm NOT saying to work every second, but to at least "RESPECT" the "CUSTOMER." That's the EXTRA MONEY she "Could have had" if she would have just made my drink and ONLY "THEN" went to that friend at the bar. What a BITCH for her to tell me "There's no need for that attitude" when she "DISRESPECTED "MY TURN." HELL WITH HER for treating me like I'm NOT a tipping customer when I've tipped rather well at this place before. I haven't been there in about 6 months or so, but NEVER go treated so poorly.

I did the RIGHT THING by waiting "MY TURN" "BEHIND"someone. I make sure if there's someone that got to a bar before me, I tell them "THEY were first." I HONESLTY DO!

Seriously, this is a "JOB", NOT play time, so WHY NOT if your income depends on it to "DO YOUR JOB?"

I REALLY DOUBT it that when "SHE'S" in a line that "SHE" likes to "WAIT LONGER" for things. Be mean, I'll be MEAN back, by NO TIP and to tell the person off.
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 12:42 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Karma's a real pain, isn't it? Good luck getting any sympathy from this board.
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 04:03 am:   Edit Post Print Post

She said "I don't care about your tip!" blah, blah, blah...ad infinitum.

HELL WITH HER for treating me like I'm NOT a tipping customer when I've tipped rather well at this place before. I haven't been there in about 6 months or so, but NEVER go treated so poorly.


Sounds like your reputation preceded you.

You got exactly what you deserved...treated exactly the way you treat everyone else.

Doesn't it feel good to get some of your own bile back?

You still owe me an apology, fatass. I've been very patient, and until you do...I will hound you like the dogs of Hades.

Until next time, limavittu...

"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Lords,
You asked why she gave you the attitude. Well you gave it to her first. It was only 15 seconds. Have some holiday spirit. Also when you told her she would not be getting a tip you treated her like she was your personal slave. She's not. I worked in a fairly nice restaurant where all 3 managers had graduated from Hospitality Management programs. They knew their stuff. They once had a meeting where they told us we were like personal contractors. Our money depended on us and we can make as little or as much as we want. It all depends on us. Now in that respect if that personal contractor doesn't care about you or your tip it's probably because your reputation has preceded you like someone else mentioned. If I were you i would not go back to that restaurant. I bet she told everyone that you said that she was not getting a tip and you will be getting minimal service there from now on. Not to mention that the bartender might try to get revenge on you somehow. Yuck!
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I think the fact that you were drinking a Long Island Iced Tea out of a styrofoam cup says it all, on a couple of levels, as a matter of fact.

Now, back to the trailer with you, you rude lush.
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Print Post

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks for a great laugh to start my day. You should invest this time you spend obssessing over service into learning interpersonal skills.
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Print Post

There are entirely too many funny funny things in this post from "herself"!

As if "She" would want to wait LONGER if she was "THE CUSTOMER?" I doubt that seriously, especially if she was late or somthing like that.

This part brought tears to my eyes... Waiting 15 seconds longer for a LIT in a styrofoam cup is going to upset a bartender because she is going to be late? Late for what? Happy Hour?

Karma sucks when you are a mean cold uncaring bitch doesn't it? Enjoy your inbred Christmas!

LIT in a styrofoam.... please!
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Where on earth do you get served alcohol in a styrofoam cup? KOC and VFW's even use glasses. I can't imagine.

Lords I just wish I'd run across you when I tended bar and cocktailed. I would have had a field day.
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

"Where on earth do you get served alcohol in a styrofoam cup"?

New Orleans, of course. Home to drive-thru Daquiri bars.

I can imagine the post tomorrow - "Santa is so MEAN and UNCARING. He was 15 minutes late. I was IN LINE for presents".
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

She isn't getting anything but coal from Santa, methinks. If she's lucky she'll get gift certificates to the trashy restaurants she so loves from her husband. Oh the terror for those poor servers.

You know they see her coming. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the back of the house when she walks in.
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

jenaclaree
"Well you gave it to her first."

First of all, "SHE" gave it to "ME" by STOPPING her "WORK" to "PLAY." She DISSRESPECTED me COMPLETELY. Even at McDonald's I WOULD NEVER EXPECT someone to have a conversation BEFORE a "CUSTOMER'S" order is fulfilled. Like she likes it when "SHE'S" in line to wait LONGER? HELL NO, people don't want to wait longer. I don't know ANYONE that would rather wait longer for things if they don't have to.

You say I started it, well "SHE" did by holding that cup in her hand and NOT making my drink like she was SUPPOSE to be by DELAYING me for PERSONAL issues. That's just MEAN, so I was MEAN BACK.

"You treated her like she was your personal slave."

NO, I treated her as the "WORKER" that she is getting "PAID" to do, NOT to get paid to "PLAY." Also, she treated my time as if "I DON'T CARE about your TIME" type of attitude so I treated her the SAME WAY by telling her she could make my drink now. She had NO RIGHT to delay my order for something "PERSONAL" unless it is the bathroom or coughing or sneezing or if she got hurt. That would be the type of things that are REASONABLE, NEVER a "A PERSONAL CONVESATION" and giving a "PERSONAL ITEM" to someone. That friend "COULD HAVE WAITED" because I even waited behind someone before I placed my order even.

"If I were you i would not go back to that restaurant."

It is at a pool place, not a restaurant.

"Our money depended on us and we can make as little or as much as we want. It all depends on us."

Whatever happened to just being "NICE" out of "RESPECT" to the "CUSTOMER'S" time? Even if I KNEW I wouldn't get a tip in drive-thru for instance, I STILL WENT in order and didn't put a personal conversation ahead of the customers, EVER, EVER, EVER. I'm nice, that's why. I'm NOT that UNCARING that I would choose to delay others for "MY CONVENIENCE." Just like even in traffic I have made u-turns when if I miss my turn instead of blocking traffic to get into a lane like other mean and inconsiderate people do to me. I hate when people do it to me, so I NEVER do that to them. I think of "OTHER'S" feelings and time, NOT just "MYSELF."

Just like I treated that lady that NEVER tipped me when she'd win a video poker, but came in quite often. Others would tip, but NEVER, EVER, her. I still didn't treat her ANY differently out of RESPECT for the customer as well as to do "MY JOB" which was if there was something to do, I did it instead of chatted. I expect people to think of the CUSTOMER'S time, NOT just "THEMSELVES."

"I bet she told everyone that you said that she was not getting a tip and you will be getting minimal service there from now on."

Well, that's the LESS MONEY they will have. I'm NOT going there unless "SHE'S" NOT there. I am NOT going to be treated like I'm NOT a paying customer.

They have a bar next door I went to "ONCE" about a year ago. I NEVER stepped foot in that place again because that time the girl bartender was making my white russian and as she was getting ready to pour the milk, she STOPPED to "CHIT CHAT." I told her "HELLO." She was mean to me by caring about JUST "HERSELF", so I treated her the EXACT SAME WAY. I will NOT subject myself to that type of UNFAIR and INCONSIDERATE treatment.

I'd MUCH rather give a good tip than to get treated as if "MY TIME" doesn't matter to them. I'm waiting for my drink, consider "MY" time since she did take my order BEFORE that guy came to the end of the bar to ask for his personal item as well as chatted about whatever.

The girl just had the empty styraform cup in her hand as she was giving the item and chatting to the guy last night. I can't believe someone can be SO SELFISH as NOT to think of the "CUSTOMER'S" time, only that guy she cared about. My point is she didn't even start making my drink when she went to do something that could have waited until AFTER. Just out of RESPECT, NOT even for the tip, just out of CONSIDERATION of a person's time and feelings. I treated people nicely by STOPPING my conversation to say "May I help you?" I NEVER made my "PERSONAL" conversation come BEFORE a customer.

coorslite
"Late for what? Happy Hour?"

Work, like let's say she's in McDonald's drive-thru and is getting a biscuit in the morning. Do you think it's right to hold up her to chit-chat? HELL NO it isn't.

"It was only 15 seconds."

It's also NOT even about the 15 seconds, it's about that she was RUDE to me by taking my order, but then just thinking ONLY of herself by chatting with the guy and giving him his item. That's just WRONG to make ANY customer wait for PERSONAL conversations. I NEVER expect to have that type of service. People that serve the public should treat customers as if "THEY" were the customer, meaning if you don't like to wait, why make me wait? This wasn't like a bathroom issue, that is UNDERSTANDABLE, but personal chit-chatting is "ONLY THINKING OF ONE'S SELF" instead of the "CUSTOMER" they are SUPPOSE to be serving because that is "THEIR JOB." A place that has no tips even I would expect the workers to treat their customers as if they are MORE IMPORTANT than their "PERSONAL" conversation. The person conversation is just that, NOT doing their job, which is REALLY RUDE to people that are "WAITING LONGER" for them to continue to talk instead of serving them. I respect people who respect me. Even at a fast food place, I would say the SAME THING. It's NOT about the tips, it's about having RESPECT for another human being's time.

Let's just say if Joe Smoe is a huge tipper, like $20 just for a coke and rum, plus the cost of the drink. Anyway, I be willing to bet that Joe Smoe would have been treated the SAME EXACT WAY by being second to a personal conversation because people just are THAT MEAN, INCONSIDERATE, and just plain DON'T CARE about the customers or the money. That the bartender would just care themselves REGARDLESS of "HOW MUCH" they got tipped. Basically what I am saying is, is that bartender would ONLY care about his or herself ANYWAY because they are so SELFISH. My point is, I was mad that she was MEAN to me by chit-chatting with her friend by going to get something for someone instead of making my drink.

All I want is some RESPECT, by treating my time as if it's just as important as the friend's time by not delaying my order since she did take my order first. WHY should the friend's time be MORE IMPORTANT than a paying customer, when the fact is "SHE'S WORKING?" She's only suppose to be playing if she has NOTHING ELSE to do out of RESPECT for the other human beings that come to this bar. I NEVER treated people so mean, EVER!

Also, she shouldn't have said to me something, like "There's no need for that attitude", when if she was a "NICE" human being as well as cared about her tip, she would have said she was SORRY for delaying my drink. Then I would have given her 10% tip, because she would have been "NICE." Whatever happened to people being nice you know?
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Lords, I've figured out your problem. The only time you expect or perceive respect is when you're paying for a service. Nobody else in the whole world would get so upset at such trivial things. The fact that these people are working doesn't make you a superstar that should be bowed to.

The very fact that you'll avoid the places where you perceive having received bad service is very telling. If people don't think you're the most important person at the moment you want something, you'll pout and stay away. I'm sure that if all the establishments you frequent knew that they'd be rid of you quickly.

Lords you need help if you want to get through this life successfully. You're very needy of respect for some reason. The thing that you don't realize is that you only get respect when you treat others with respect. You're incapable of treating servers with respect, so you get what you deserve every time you go out.

It's Christmas Eve. Whether you celebrate it or not, take a look at your life and what you have to be thankful for. Find some respect for yourself and stop trying to pay people to respect you. They don't and won't until you stop these behaviors. You act like a trashy person so you get treating accordingly.
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

PS: If you acted like you had any modicum of self-respect or manners you'd be treated with respect. No self-respecting person acts in the manner you do. You act like trash so you get treated like trash.
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PS: If you acted like you had any modicum of self-respect or manners you'd be treated with respect. No self-respecting person behaves in the manner you do. You act like trash so you get treated like trash.
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

"They have a bar next door I went to "ONCE" about a year ago. I NEVER stepped foot in that place again because that time the girl bartender was making my white russian and as she was getting ready to pour the milk, she STOPPED to "CHIT CHAT."

Sounds like she was told about you and she did a preemptive strike :chuckle:

You are just a rude redneck. Simple as that.

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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Lords - You do realize it's Christmas and you have alot to be thankful for, right? You could have fared much worse in the hurricanes, you could have lost family members, you could have faced a horrible disease yourself.

Be thankful for what you do have and stop looking at perceived slights.
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

And here's a little nugget for you to chew on Lords. When I tended bar when I made a $5 tip I'd get up on the bar and do a little strut all around it. Not only did my patrons wait until I was done, they loved it, even the wimminz. Know how much money I'd rack up on a Saturday night? More than you probably make in a week. The ladies would even tip me $5 for a little entertainment.

Bartenders are there to keep their patrons happy, especially the regulars that treat them well. Nobody cares about you or your stupid dollar.

Merry Christmas!
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An addendum to my post! Imagine a blonde, female Jim Cary doing a strut around the bar. This wasn't a strip club. Just a fun place to hang out.
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"You're the most important person at the moment."

NO, but I am JUST as IMPORTANT as the next person, meaning treat people EQUALLY just as nice and CONSIDER their feelings as well as their time. What's wrong with wanting people not to delay you for their "PERSONAL" conversation?

One time I was in a parking garage and this person got their change, but kept chatting, so I waited and waited, finally I just honked because there was also people behind me coming. It's like WHAT THE HELL is WRONG with people? That was possibly costing me more money because I had to pay to park in that garage. Secondly, that is just SO RUDE that this person just chit-chatted as if that person was the ONLY person in the world that needed attention. My point is, I don't do these type of things to delay others. Whether it's the bartender having a personal conversation, taking a shot, cleaning up, stocking beer, whatever it is, I don't think a customer should be delayed for things that can be done AFTERWARDS. Don't make the customer get delayed for a personal issue or something such as a shot of alcohol, which is pretty darn "SELF-CENTERED" if you ask me. What is wrong with people that they can't consider ANYONE ELSE in the world? WHY can't people think about when "THEY" are the customer, would they like it if someone delayed them from getting to work or to a movie or whatever?
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Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Lords:

"What is wrong with people that they can't consider ANYONE ELSE in the world?"

Maybe you should ask yourself this question. You think people that make $2.13 per hour shouldn't be tipped for takeout just because you don't tip McDonalds workers. You think that servers should stand at attention when you want something, never mind that somebody else might want something at the same time.

Girl, I'll tell you one thing. You'd better never have kids.
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"You think that servers should stand at attention when you want something, never mind that somebody else might want something at the same time."

Have you ever heard of "WAIT YOUR TURN?" If they want something at the same time as me, but they were first to ask for it, then let them be first by all means. I DO NOT CUT in front of people. I do what's right and wait "MY TURN."

"You think people that make $2.13 per hour shouldn't be tipped for takeout just because you don't tip McDonalds workers."

Yes, because it's only fair that fast food workers do the SAME JOB with NO TIP. So, since I don't pay them for the SAME job, then WHY should I give the take-out server that's ONLY making $2.13/hr more money just because they only make that? The fast food worker deserves a tip too just as a bartender, coffee shop employee, and a restaurant employee does. SO WHAT if they don't make the same hourly wage, it's NOT about "HOW MUCH" they make, it's about the "TYPE" of service I am receiving. Do I tip for someone filling a cup with coke and ice at McDonald's? NO, so WHY tip someone for filling a cup with a daiquri, which is LESS work because there is no ice to put into the cup? If they mix the flavors or add some extra shots, THEN, I will tip because that is just like making a mixed drink, but if all I am getting is a white russian in a cup, all they did was get a cup, pull the lever, ring it up as well as give change, and got a lid for the cup. SAME EXACT thing they do at McDonald's for NO tip. It's NOT fair that if a daiquri employee gets a tip for less work, but for more work, a McDonald's employee doesn't get tipped! This concept just doesn't make sense. Either they should have EVERY food or drink place have tips or NONE at all as far as take-out or a bar is concerned.

"You'd better never have kids."

WHY, at least they'd wait "THEIR TURN" and consider OTHER PEOPLE in the world? I would teach them to treat people nice. I don't see ANYTHING WRONG with that.
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"WHY, at least they'd wait "THEIR TURN" and consider OTHER PEOPLE in the world? I would teach them to treat people nice. I don't see ANYTHING WRONG with that."

That's rich. Truly.
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Joe Smoe wouldnt wait at all at my bar if he left a $20.00 tip for one drink. I would skip right over everybody else in line to get Mr. Smoe what ever he wanted.
Coorslite, I had the same thought if you are in such an all fired hurry why are you stopping for drinks?
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"I would skip right over everybody else in line to get Mr. Smoe what ever he wanted."

That's just plain WRONG. You would essentially let him cut because he gave you a huge tip. HOW SELFISH does that sound on "YOUR" part? You really DON'T have ANY clue if Jane Doe that had been waiting longer would have given the SAME type of tip or not if they aren't a regular customer. WHY aren't you treating people fairly? Even if I was the bartender and Joe Smoe would leave me a $20, I'd know I probably would get it ANYWAY, whether I'd serve him well or not, so WHY BOTHER being MEAN and INCONSIDERATE to others? Also, even if he wouldn't, I'd be FAIR to EVERYONE and go in order, even if it meant not making a huge tip because I think of EVERYONE'S feelings, NOT just "MYSELF" as you would be doing.

"I would skip right over everybody else in line."

When you are in a line waiting a while, would you like it if someone did that to you, even though you've been waiting let's say for an hour to get tickets, but since the person is a celebrity, they get to CUT in front of you, which they actually take more time because the guy at the ticket booth starts chatting with the celebrity. I DOUBT it you'd like that, so WHY treat others so poorly, when you more than likely and MOST people wouldn't like it either, that you'd treat people so unfairly for "YOUR OWN" profit?

HOW DARE you skip over everyone else that had been waiting? WHAT kind of person are you? SELFISH, I would say very SELFISH to ONLY think of "YOUR" tip money, but NOT the actual "CUSTOMER'S" feelings. What an "UNCARING" and "UNFEELING" person to ONLY care about the "MONEY."

As I said before, I treated the lady that wanted a buttermilk donut RIGHT, whether I'd probably get a tip from them because they were dining in or not. I did what was RIGHT, NOT what was SELFISH.

"Coorslite, I had the same thought if you are in such an all fired hurry why are you stopping for drinks?"

As I said before, it's not really about the 15 seconds, it's about that the bartender was being "SELFISH" about thinking of "HERSELF" instead of an actual customer, which is WRONG. She was at "WORK", work is WORK, NOT to chit-chat to a friend if there are actually customers that are ordering. That is just VERY RUDE! To take my order, but then hold the cup in her hand to go at the other end of the bar to give this friend of hers something and chit-chat. HOW MEAN and INCONSIDERATE is that of her? I ordered FIRST BEFORE her friend came to the bar, so it's ONLY FAIR to finish the order she got considering she is "AT WORK." It's not like she was on her own time or something, this is a JOB!

Just like when the bartender stopped to chit-chat for about 5 seconds, it's NOT about that, it's about the fact that the person serving you DOESN'T CARE about "THE CUSTOMER'S" time ONLY THEMSELF!

Also, just like the guy that took the shot in front of me, that was just SELFISH! It's not like he was coughing and needed some water to stop coughing, that's UNDERSTANDABLE, but to take a shot of alcohol, is just plain "SELFISH." He didn't care about his tip or his customer's feelings or time, so I didn't care about his feelings or tip. HOW RUDE when I'm waiting to order for someone to do something that is "PLAY TIME" stuff. WORK is WORK, NOT to play when you are suppose to be fixing drinks and ringing up customers.

My point is, it's more about the fact that the person serving the customer is being selfish and RUDE to the customer that they just don't care about their time or money that they could potentially make. What's the point of making the $20, if Jane Doe was a regular, but was going to give you $10 for her drink, but decided to give you only $3 because you skipped over her? Sure you may have covered your loss anyway, but as I said before, let's say Joe Smoe would give you $20 whether the service was good or not, then you just LOST $7 of your usual tip because you wanted to treat people with DISRESPECT. WOULDN'T you want EVERY EXTRA DOLLAR you could make from EVERYONE by treating them FAIRLY? That would be $7 you could have had, but now, you just pissed off Jane Doe. What's the point of being so selfish and INCONSIDERATE, if you may not make more money with each customer anyway? So what, Joe Smoe is a big tipper, but that doesn't mean he should get ANY MORE special treatment than ANYONE and I mean ANYONE ELSE. He's just a customer like EVERYONE else in there and SHOULD be treated EXACTLY the SAME as EVERYONE ELSE is. You are a piece of work to skip over everyone else in line. I HOPE you wait in line at the grocery and someone CUTS in front of you that has 300 items to show you how INCONSIDERATE you are. What a MEAN excuse for a human being! SELFISH, SELFISH, SELFISH!
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"When you are in a line waiting a while, would you like it if someone did that to you, even though you've been waiting let's say for an hour to get tickets, but since the person is a celebrity, they get to CUT in front of you, which they actually take more time because the guy at the ticket booth starts chatting with the celebrity'.

Just curious. Have you been to an amusement park lately? There's a reason that I ask...
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That maybe so, but when I work I am there to make as much money as I can. A guaranteed twenty is alright by me. Who ever said the world is a fair place? I never remember signing a contract where I was going to get or give fair treatment.
Joe Smoe is not a customer like every other, he is a big tipper therefore he gets preferential treatment. That's the way it works.
Ya know what else I don't care if you think I am selfish, mean and uncaring. That means nothing to me, absolutely nothing.
Here's a novel concept for you, I let people in front of me regularly at the grocery store. I even gave a guy a couple of bucks one time so he wouldn't have to put stuff back.
But you are right I'm mean selfish uncaring self centered, inconsiderate and any other word you can think of.
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" She was at "WORK", work is WORK, NOT to chit-chat"

I hate to be the one to tell you, but "chit-chat" is a MAJOR part of a bartender's job. Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. That's why you'll always be persona non gratis at every bar that you try to darken.

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lords touretted:

"What a MEAN excuse for a human being! SELFISH, SELFISH, SELFISH"!

This really made me chuckle this morning. It reminded me of that great movie by Ed Wood, Plan 9 From Outer Space (voted many times as "The Worst Movie of All Time"). There's an aluminum-wrapped "alien" (who looks a lot like my lawyer, as a matter of fact) who spouts, "You Earthpeople are STUPID! STUPID, STUPID, STUPID"! This line has been quoted for years by cult fans as one of the great awful lines of cinema.

Congratulations in being lumped in with the "greats".
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So what, Joe Smoe is a big tipper, but that doesn't mean he should get ANY MORE special treatment than ANYONE and I mean ANYONE ELSE. He's just a customer like EVERYONE else in there and SHOULD be treated EXACTLY the SAME as EVERYONE ELSE is. You are a piece of work to skip over everyone else in line. I HOPE you wait in line at the grocery and someone CUTS in front of you that has 300 items to show you how INCONSIDERATE you are. What a MEAN excuse for a human being! SELFISH, SELFISH, SELFISH!

You moron.

Of course Joe Schmo (proper spelling)gets preferential treatment. He is a known good tipper. He pays for his service, and most likely is a pleasure to wait upon. You, however, are known to be a crappy tipper, impossible to please, and irrational. No one cares what you get in the way of service because no server who is aware of your reputation will neglect a good tipper for a mediocre one.

Is it fair?

ABSOLUTELY.

You see, loser on acid, no one wants to wait on the nasty people...the people who are mean, snotty, and just all around miserable. You treat your servers like slaves, order them around as I would my dog, and you still expect them to treat you as they would someone who is compassionate, friendly, and sane?

You get back what you put out there...and you're throwing out garbage and a crappy attitude. Why are you so shocked that a server refuses to allow you the special treatment saved for the nice people?

You have shown and proven yourself to be rude, inconsiderate, mean, nasty, vile, morally bankrupt, vindictive, and barely cognizant of other people. How dare you ask to be treated the same as someone who is polite, kind, considerate, caring and compassionate? You don't deserve that luxury...you haven't earned the right to be treated "fairly".

You still owe me an apology, limavittu....I'm tiring of waiting.

Oh, and I hope someday you get the help you need so badly...you fail to see that your "bad service" is someone showing you how inconsiderate you are.
"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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Actually I heard it best last night;

Good customer service is a good guest,

Ah proverbs in the workplace....sigh
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Oh thegirl... please tell me you don't treat your dog as bad as lords does humans! It's not fair! Your poor dog! Just kidding I know there is no way anyone could treat an animal as bad as she treats servers, bartenders, and well most of the population!

We ALL know a lords patron as soon as they hit the door!

big_momma said "Imagine a blonde, female Jim Cary doing a strut around the bar. This wasn't a strip club. Just a fun place to hang out."

big_momma I'd hang out with you anytime and tip you tons! A fun place to hang out is what most of us look for when we go out!

teleburst... "They have a bar next door I went to "ONCE" about a year ago. I NEVER stepped foot in that place again because that time the girl bartender was making my white russian and as she was getting ready to pour the milk, she STOPPED to "CHIT CHAT."

Sounds like she was told about you and she did a preemptive strike :chuckle:

You are just a rude redneck. Simple as that.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD A WHITE RUSSIAN MADE WITH MILK! Yep, redneck and what a high class of bar she was in huh?

jammie you rock!
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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HONK HONK HONK...
do you honestly think in life jysi, goldenfoxx, thegirl, teleburst, jammie, big_momma and others are ever going to stand behind you when you post trash like this?

One time I was in a parking garage and this person got their change, but kept chatting, so I waited and waited, finally I just honked because there was also people behind me coming. It's like WHAT THE HELL is WRONG with people? That was possibly costing me more money because I had to pay to park in that garage. Secondly, that is just SO RUDE that this person just chit-chatted as if that person was the ONLY person in the world that needed attention. My point is, I don't do these type of things to delay others. Whether it's the bartender having a personal conversation, taking a shot, cleaning up, stocking beer, whatever it is, I don't think a customer should be delayed for things that can be done AFTERWARDS. Don't make the customer get delayed for a personal issue or something such as a shot of alcohol, which is pretty darn "SELF-CENTERED" if you ask me. What is wrong with people that they can't consider ANYONE ELSE in the world? WHY can't people think about when "THEY" are the customer, would they like it if someone delayed them from getting to work or to a movie or whatever?
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Actually, c-lite ;)...my dog gets treated very well. She got her own stocking, which she already tore into and took off with the peanut butter dog bones.

Goofy dog...
"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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thegirl... wish you many many happy years with her! Hope every one has had a lot of happy memories this year. Except herself... and we all know why! Love, Family, Friends, are priceless! And let's not scare our small animals with her evilness! big_momma going to follow your example because I love you to the moon and back a million times! clydesdalejr8@gmail.com
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BTW lords, my manager is on the back of two of our bartenders to talk to the guests. She has been on them for weeks now. She even told me in a personal converstion that she expects all of us to make idle chit chat with the people sitting at the bar. Blows your theory about working not talking. We are under instruction from management to chit chat. So take that, put it in your tarter sauce and drown your fish.
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"We are under instruction from management to chit chat."

I bet the manager DIDN'T say make the PAYING customers WAIT for you to finish your chit-chat did he or she? I bet he or she just told you to talk, that is IT, NOT to make the sales go down by making customers wait LONGER. That doesn't blow my theory at all because as long as the conversation doesn't delay the customer, I don't care if a bartender talks or not.
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jammie
http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2023.html

Linda said this: "One of my BIGGEST GRIPES...is when employees have "personal conversations" with each other in front of customers...especially when these conversations are of a negative nature. When customers are present the "personal conversations" should stop. All attention should be directed to the customer."

So see, I'm NOT the ONLY person that feels that customers are suppose to come FIRST. MOST people DO get aggrevated with having to wait for one to stop chatting.
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"jammie
http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2023.html

Linda said this: "One of my BIGGEST GRIPES...is when employees have "personal conversations" with each other in front of customers...especially when these conversations are of a negative nature. When customers are present the "personal conversations" should stop. All attention should be directed to the customer."

So see, I'm NOT the ONLY person that feels that customers are suppose to come FIRST. MOST people DO get aggrevated with having to wait for one to stop chatting".

Most don't within 15 seconds. And that's a FACT.
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"Most don't within 15 seconds. And that's a FACT."

It's NOT a FACT, that's is really about HOW LONG chit chat really is usually. It's a FACT that I have had 3 customers that have griped about "We were first", even though a couple of them weren't. The drive-thru customers had ordered BEFORE they did and the other situation I posted about already about when I was at drive-thru on the 2p.m.-10p.m. shift bymyself and 2 sets of people walked in. I went to the closest, which was at the counter, without thinking and the people that were at the booth were actually first the lady at the booth claimed. The lady at the booth said "WE were first", just like that. So, people DO get aggrevated in less than 10 seconds at times. All I did was go to the first set of people, that was about 3 seconds worth and she got aggrevated, RIGHTFUL so. I had messed up that time. You don't know WHAT you are talking about. People DO get aggrevated FAST and I bet even Linda is talking about 10-15 seconds worth. I really don't think workers will be chatting for a whole minute before they realize there's a customer, I mean REALLY.
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If it's only 15 seconds and never a minute than to you it's just a power trip. You can't possibly be that annoyed in 15 seconds. I teach kindergarteners with more patience than that. Get over yourself.
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"You can't possibly be that annoyed in 15 seconds."

Quite a number of people are annoyed in just 15 seconds. Hell, I was annoyed in 7 seconds or so when the waiter at Outback handed the lady at the second table her's before ours, when we were seated and ordered first.

"Never a minute than to you it's just a power trip."

HOW is that a "Power trip?" All I want is for a paying customer to be acknowledged RIGHT when there isn't another customer being served at a bar. The customer shouldn't have to wait "ANY" longer for a bartender to talk. They are suppose to be selling things to make the place make money. I really doubt that Jammie's manager wants her to ignore paying customers, otherwise, the ONLY customer that would be making the place make money is the one that she is talking to and it's not like the manager would care if she makes a lot of tips or not, it's not manager's money. The bar's money DOES matter to the manager because they do need to pay the wages of the bartender, the alcohol and whatever else they serve, the electricity, and the phone bills, etc. WHERE is that money going to come from if Jammie ignores paying customers enough that they never come back because they were ignored. WHO really goes somewhere to have bad service? I know I don't go in the intention of getting bad service. I don't go to a bar so I have to wait until the bartender finishes laughing and joking around to serve me. The bartender should care if the customer has to wait for something. Chatting, to me, will NOT get ANYMORE tip out of me. Even if I was single again hypothetical and sat there and chatted with the bartender. The bartender's tip is NOT for chatting with me, that's FREE, it's the actually SERVICE they provided me which was "SERVING" me drinks and ringing the bill up. THOSE would be the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY, things I'd tip for, NOT if they talked to me. A lot of times, if I come up to the bar, but the bartender keeps talking KNOWING I am there, which I can see that if they see me or not, there's NO tip for that DISRESPECT. I don't care if it's 8 seconds, it's DISRESPECT as far as the CUSTOMER'S TIME goes. Also, if the bartender knows I'm there, but keeps restocking beers(which has happened), NO tip either for that. I'd IMMEDIATELY STOP stocking milks and serve the customer when they'd come in. I ignore the milks for a couple of minutes while I actually SERVE the customer. CUSTOMERS are WAY MORE IMPORTANT than restocking or chit-chatting is.

The bartender at the bowling alley bar one time made a little longer conversation with me than just "How are you doing?" when she wasn't busy because I was a regular and I was sitting at the bar because we weren't bowling at the time. Did I give her anymore tip for chatting with me? HELL NO! I gave her the SAME tip that I had always given her for her good service $2.00 on $8 bill for 2 drinks, which is over 20%. 20% would be $1.60. It is though, the average a buck per drink. I wouldn't give someone more money just because they talked to me, that's just NUTS paying for a FAKE friend basically because you have to "PAY" to be listened to like a shrink.

http://www.vesuvio.com/leo.html

"But don't reward bad service. Sometimes you will come across a bartender or waitperson who is too busy chit-chatting with other employess or just not aware that someone needs service. If you feel the service is bad, get even by not tipping, or show your displeasure by just leaving a nickel or a dime."

This PROVES I am NOT the ONLY person that feels that not giving a tip or a really low tip is the RIGHT thing to do when a customer is ignored because of chit-chatting. I don't feel it's "Getting even", I feel it's just treating that person the way they treated me.
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lords 15 seconds is not ignoring anybody. That is simply ridiculous, and petty. My manager wasnt instructing us to talk to each other it was the guests she was concerned about.
Who except you says I give people bad service? Somebody thinks I give good service considering the money I rake in. I walked with approximately 27 % in tips tonight on my total sales. I would say there are alot of people who like my service. As a matter of fact I got a $50.00 tip from a guy I played shrink to, that was on a $9.00 tab. So I would say your likes and dislikes do not set the standard for all.
I really don't know why I am bothering to explain myself to you, because you know nothing of people skills and how to be socially acceptable.
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die lords die and answer to the gates of hell! Hope you come back as a server, and you will end up homeless...cause you have NO clue! As you will have burned ALL your bridges!
sorry my bad.. I am so very sorry..
Die NOW!
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lords cited:

http://www.vesuvio.com/leo.html

"But don't reward bad service. Sometimes you will come across a bartender or waitperson who is too busy chit-chatting with other employess or just not aware that someone needs service. If you feel the service is bad, get even by not tipping, or show your displeasure by just leaving a nickel or a dime."

This PROVES I am NOT the ONLY person that feels that not giving a tip or a really low tip is the RIGHT thing to do when a customer is ignored because of chit-chatting".

From the same site:

"Be kind to your bartender. Treat him/her like family. Bartenders will guide you to the best chow in town, listen to your jokes, even laugh when they are not funny, and listen to your woes".

THIS proves that it's part of the job description to interact with the guest.

BTW, I'll bet even "Leo" would laugh at a "15 second delay" as a cause for leaving no tip.
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jammie
"lords 15 seconds is not ignoring anybody."

It IS because you are skipping EVERYONE else for Joe Smoe just because he tips well and you have no clue if some of the people that were waiting LONGER than Joe Smoe tip just as well as he does, but you rather piss them off and be INCONSIDERATE and MEAN to ONLY think of YOUR INCOME but NEVER the customers that were there FIRST. I don't know ANYONE that wants several people to just cut in front of them, but that IS what you are doing when you serve Joe Smoe first. Also, the bartender that took my long island iced tea order put "HER PERSONAL WANTS" BEFORE a customer, which that is just WRONG. I don't even get McDonald's employees to treat me that way. So, YES, you ARE IGNORING people for that amount of time for NO REAL REASON by ONLY thinking of "YOURSELF." What a SELFISH excuse for a human being only thinking of your income, but NOT the customer's that were waiting BEFORE Joe Smoe or thinking of the people waiting while you just chit-chat instead of "SERVING" someone.
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teleburst
http://www.vesuvio.com/leo.html

teleburst quoted:
"Be kind to your bartender. Treat him/her like family. Bartenders will guide you to the best chow in town, listen to your jokes, even laugh when they are not funny, and listen to your woes."

"THIS proves that it's part of the job description to interact with the guest."

But, it definately implied that chit-chatting INSTEAD of serving a customer is bad service, otherwise, it wouldn't be in the same paragraph following the sentence about being ignored because of chit-chatting.

I don't care if they talk, I just want them to serve me when I come up to the bar. Don't make me wait for chit-chat or smoking or drinking a shot of alcohol or whatever. That is SO DISREPECTFUL. When I am at Burger King, I don't get treated as if I'm second over chatting or the worker eating, I'm FIRST if I am in line FIRST. So WHY should I get treated as second when the bartender KNOWS they CAN make tips? They should treat customers BETTER, NOT worse. There's NO incentive for Burger King employees to treat me well, but they DO. Bartenders shouldn't STOP making a drink to chit-chat, EVER. That's just WRONG. I don't care if it was only 5 seconds, it's still WRONG and VERY, VERY, VERY DISRESPECTFUL. That has been a zero tip the couple of times that happened.

In Jan. or Feb. of last year at TGIFriday's, my husband and I sat at the "BAR". The bartender was in the middle of making my margarita and COMPLETELY stopped to tell a lady that was sitting at the bar about directions for parades for Mardi Gras. He got ZERO for chatting instead of chatting WHILE he was making my drink or WAITING until AFTER, but NO, he didn't care about MY wait, which was just "THAT" much LONGER I was waiting for my drink. It's just RUDE to chit-chat instead of serve someone, especially since he was in the middle of making it. I don't even expect that at McDonald's or even got that type of treatment there. So, WHY, just because it's a bar that customer service is so crappy? That I have had to at a bar a couple of times get the bartender to STOP talking so I could order. That's just AGGREVATING as all hell and REALLY RIDICULOUS when they should be on the LOOKOUT for NEW customers coming up to the bar. That's just WRONG to ignore the customers. I will NOT tolerate people treating me like my time isn't worth anything. A customer should NEVER have to try to wave down a bartender because they are trying to order if they are having a convesation. The bartender should be PAYING ATTENTION to customers that want to order and IMMMEDIATELY STOP the CHATTERING when a customer wants to order.
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hello having my 17 year old daughter read this to me and what stands out from "her" posts is...

I don't even get McDonald's employees to treat me that way..
When I am at Burger King,

Lords shut the hell up and deal with real life and please ( stop that was manners... you know please and thank you.. crap I used to whip the kids for!)

You get zero for being a human with compassion and manners!

YOU ARE THE WORST GUEST OF THE YEAR! HELLO SATAN OF ALL WHICH YOU ARE!
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Thats right I'm thinking of me and Joe Smoe. We are sitting in a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G. While everybody else was yelling no cutsies. What a scene.
Lets do a small pole here... Who would skip over other guests to wait on a known $20.00 tipper. A person who would tip that much on one drink?
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"In Jan. or Feb. of last year at TGIFriday's, my husband and I sat at the "BAR". The bartender was in the middle of making my margarita and COMPLETELY stopped to tell a lady that was sitting at the bar about directions for parades for Mardi Gras".

That person was obviously there BEFORE YOU, so they were in line before you, right? HOW DARE YOU try to slow down someone who is trying to leave? How uncaring and unfeeling are you to put YOUR needs AHEAD of SOMEONE who was THERE FIRST? (caps in honor of lords).

"Lets do a small pole here... Who would skip over other guests to wait on a known $20.00 tipper. A person who would tip that much on one drink"?

Since tipping is based on service, the more someone pays for it, the better the service that they get. So obviously *I* would. Unfortunately, lords doesn't know enough about bar culture to know that service at the bar isn't a democracy, it's a meritocracy.
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LORDS YOUR NUTS!!!!! Your first post is exactly 863 words long. 193 of them were capitalized. You had your point across in the first one and a half paragraphs. You know what this all means, you have NO LIFE except to BITCH and COMPLAIN!!!! And how do you know that her supposed friend wasn't a customer, just because they were friends doesn't mean she wasn't going to buy a drink. Maybe she was asking her if she had decided what she wanted since its only fair that SHE WAS THERE FIRST RIGHT. Grow up get a real job and stop terrorizing the poor and already suffered people of New Orleans. Of course she didn't care about your tip because she has lots of people there that tip her well and taking care of all your needs still won't get her SHEET for a tip because your standards are never met. SO TAKE THE BEYATCH!!!! ahh I'm so irritated I can't stand it!
Oh yeah and it only took me 163 words to get my point across so maybe you can spare us all our PRECIOUS TIME in reading your posts and you could cut the crap and repeating and keep them to a 300 word minimum PLEASE??
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teleburst
"HOW DARE YOU try to slow down someone who is trying to leave?"

This person was NOT trying to leave. She was SITTING at the bar. This person was NOT paying or anything like that to even indicate that she was ready to leave. WHO cares if they were ready to leave since my request came BEFORE her's, my request should be DONE BEFORE hers. In restaurants and bars, it goes by "REQUEST" order, NOT by order of a line unless it is greeting a table, then it goes in the order that the customers were seated. So, let's say if she asked for a drink before I had asked for the check. I HONESTLY HOPE that the bartender would make her drink BEFORE my check. Requests go in the order they are taken in.

"so they were in line before you, right?"

This wasn't a line and since the bartender was actually serving someone, he should CONTINUE to serve the customer, NOT to chit-chat, that is for times when the bartender has NOTHING to do. HOW dare that bartender take up the customer's time to talk! I NEVER treated customers like they were second to my talking, NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER! Talking is LAST, CUSTOMER REQUEST come FIRST!

"the more someone pays for it, the better the service that they get."

That's NOT true at ALL. One time, a lady at a mexican restaurant we had before was good the first time we had her. The second time, she SUCKED. We asked for the check, she goes buss the table as well as take dishes off the table instead of ringing us up. I don't remember what else she did wrong that time, but I do remember we left her around 10%. I even asked one of my co-workers about that type of treatment and she said that "Customer's come first." She even agreed with me that clean up should be LAST and ANY customer request should come FIRST. My point is, you give a 20% tip the first time, DOESN'T EVER mean you will get the same GREAT service the NEXT time, EVER with the SAME server. Also, if you give a good tip for bad service, they'll know they can give you bad service and they'll get a tip ANYWAY, so WHY set yourself up for bad service. Treat them as they treated you. That way, they will LEARN from the bad tip and WHY the customer is pissed off if they think about the mistakes they made or the fact that they didn't think about the "CUSTOMER'S" time, just theirs.

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"teleburst
"HOW DARE YOU try to slow down someone who is trying to leave?"

This person was NOT trying to leave. She was SITTING at the bar. This person was NOT paying or anything like that to even indicate that she was ready to leave. WHO cares if they were ready to leave since my request came BEFORE her's, my request should be DONE BEFORE hers".

Nope, she was obviously there before you. She was therefore before you.

"In restaurants and bars, it goes by "REQUEST" order, NOT by order of a line unless it is greeting a table, then it goes in the order that the customers were seated".

I love the way that you make up the rules as you go. However, it looks like you've FINALLY realized that getting service in a restaurant is NOT like standing in a line. FINALLY.

" So, let's say if she asked for a drink before I had asked for the check. I HONESTLY HOPE that the bartender would make her drink BEFORE my check. Requests go in the order they are taken in".

Her first request preceeded yours. She was already at the bar when you and your milquetoast husband decided to order and thus, her order was already in well before you ever decided to sit down. She was attempting to get information so that she could pay and leave. Therefore, she bumps you from the "line" that you have always claimed is the paradigm in restaurant and bar service.

"so they were in line before you, right?"

"This wasn't a line"

BINGO! You finally get it. It only took a few hundred posts for you to finally come around.

"and since the bartender was actually serving someone, he should CONTINUE to serve the customer, NOT to chit-chat, that is for times when the bartender has NOTHING to do".

That bartender is serving THE ENTIRE BAR, not just your white trash, selfish ass.

" HOW dare that bartender take up the customer's time to talk"!

How dare you interrupt the PRIOR SERVICE of another "customer"! HOW RUDE OF YOU!

"I NEVER treated customers like they were second to my talking, NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER! Talking is LAST, CUSTOMER REQUEST come FIRST"!

Yeah, but you were just a donut shop clerk that few people wanted to talk to in the first place. You were there to fetch their jelly donuts.

"the more someone pays for it, the better the service that they get."

"That's NOT true at ALL".

Oh, it's VERY true.

"One time, a lady at a mexican restaurant"

Uh oh, another story of woe...

" we had before was good the first time we had her. The second time, she SUCKED. We asked for the check, she goes buss the table as well as take dishes off the table instead of ringing us up. I don't remember what else she did wrong that time, but I do remember we left her around 10%. I even asked one of my co-workers about that type of treatment and she said that "Customer's come first." She even agreed with me that clean up should be LAST and ANY customer request should come FIRST. My point is, you give a 20% tip the first time, DOESN'T EVER mean you will get the same GREAT service the NEXT time, EVER with the SAME server".

Thank you for proving my point that the service determines a tip. If a regular always tips way over the norm, they are always going to get way over the norm. I'll bet you every dollar in my pocket against every dollar in YOUR pocket (thanks Aaron Sorkin) that if you were known as a 50% tipper at that Mexican restaurant, that server would have been all over you like a cheap suit.

"Also, if you give a good tip for bad service, they'll know they can give you bad service and they'll get a tip ANYWAY, so WHY set yourself up for bad service".

Yeah, but that's not the case with Joe Schmoe, now is it. He has set himself up for PREFERENTIAL treatment. That's what the whole scenario was about. Can't you READ?

"Treat them as they treated you".

Joe Schmoe always tips me $20 on a small bar bill? You BET I'm going to treat him as he treated me. He's going to get $20 service, while you with your little $10 order that comes with that weird judgmental bizarre backtalking no tip gets the kind of service based on how YOU treated ME. It's pretty simple. And that's the point of the example, isn't it? Shame that you didn't even get it.

"That way, they will LEARN from the bad tip and WHY the customer is pissed off if they think about the mistakes they made or the fact that they didn't think about the "CUSTOMER'S" time, just theirs".

And yet that bartender didn't care one bit about your little lesson, did she?
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poll answer... lords has no clue! $1 from a rudeassbitch... $20 from a kind considerate person... ALL over it!
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She didn't like you, neither do we, like the bartender, we're not going to fall all over ourselves to please you, in fact I would say that most of us do not need the money that bad. I know that I would pay someone else to wait on you. You suck, so very much. Get a life.
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"we're not going to fall all over ourselves to please you."

Well, DON'T expect me to tip for HORRIBLE service. You SUCK that you would put "YOUR" needs over customers. YOU need to get a LIFE because on bitterwaitress.com you are on too. So you seem to have NO life. I HAVE treated people like they were a KING or QUEEN even thought they didn't tip me. That is just HOW some people are, that they don't tip ever and YOU KNOW this is true. So, YOU SUCK for treating people UNFAIRLY. I treated people "EQUALLY." Meaning if they didn't tip, I NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, bypassed them to serve someone that did. That is just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! You treat people as EQUALS whether they tip or not. That is the RIGHT and MORAL thing to do. You are on this board, so OBVIOUSLY, "YOU" need to get a life, NOT me!

I'd rather have that money and MOST people WOULD, otherwise they wouldn't having people here BEGGING for a couple of bucks for take-out. EVERY dollar COUNTS, EVERY, EVERY, EVERY, no matter if it's an extra couple of bucks a week, that's almost an extra $8 a month depending on how long the month is. That is A LOT! I can't believe someone would pass up a chance to make more money. That's RIDICULOUS! You seem like you'd be just too LAZY to serve people and also instead you'd rather play for your money or am I wrong? You'd rather people THROW you money with no work. That is the way you are acting. That is NOT the way it works, EVER, EVER, EVER. You have to do your "WORK" to get paid, plain and simple. If a company decides to give you paid holidays and vacation, that is up to the company, but that is NOT the customer's decision. Sure, I have gotten paid holidays before and even got paid for my vacation I NEVER took because I KNEW that something could happen, which it did, the hurricane, so I got money for it, which was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, better anyway. Sure, that isn't fair that I got paid for not working, but if the company said I could, WHY NOT? I ain't going to stop them from giving me money and so DOESN'T the REST of the people in the world. MOST people in the world have benefits like paid holidays and such. But, you can't expect to get paid for BAD SERVICE, EVER, EVER, EVER.

TIPS are "EARNED." You can't expect people to pay a server or a bartender with NO "FEELINGS" for the customer. What kind of person are you? VERY UNCARING is my answer.

"we're not going to fall all over ourselves to please you"

That is the "BARTENDER'S" job! Just like McDonald's people fall all over themselves to please me, WHY NOT OTHERS in the service industry that make tips or even depend on tips for their income? You are SUPPOSE to treat the people you serve like they are a KING or QUEEN, NOT TRASH! They are HUMAN BEINGS that "HAVE FEELINGS", just like when "YOU" are a customer. Think how "YOU" like waiting for things and see how it feels. I bet MOST people would COMPLAIN about a LONG wait. Hell, on www.complaints.com, there are letters about LONG WAITS for food/and or drinks. Customers DON'T like waiting and I bet you don't either.
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Bartenders and servers have feelings too.
I find absolutly hilarious that you lords of all people talk about morals. The same person that took $10.00 from a lady tht said keep the change. The same person that treats waitstaff like personal servants. Out of all the people that post on this board you have *NO MORALS*. Wow look at me I relly made a point by using caps and an * key.
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"HAVE treated people like they were a KING or QUEEN even thought they didn't tip me. That is just HOW some people are, that they don't tip ever and YOU KNOW this is true. So, YOU SUCK for treating people UNFAIRLY. I treated people "EQUALLY." Meaning if they didn't tip, I NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, bypassed them to serve someone that did. That is just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! "

Remember when somebody at the donut shop asked you to put cream and sugar in their coffee? I believe you said "are you gonna tip me"?

Is that treating someone like a KING or QUEEN?
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You'd rather people THROW you money with no work

And you'd rather have a furnished house without working for it and earning it like an adult...you have zero room to talk, you hypocritical slut.

Unlike you, the rest of us are self sufficient adults...and as for poker having no life? Who's on multiple (more than 2, fatass) boards, bitching and complaining about her skewed perceptions of serving? Who goes searching the internet for wackos who agree with her? Who lies and changes her story every single time we call her on it? Who refuses to apologize for anything nasty, uncaring, and mean she says? Who lectures incessantly about HER experience, and has such non-existent self esteem that she thinks she must always be first? Who acts worse than my 4 year old daughter...who never tantrums by shrieking "EVER EVER EVER"? Most importantly, who is too freaking immoral and idiotic to understand when she is wrong?

Hmmm? I know the answer to that one...

ONLY YOU, YOU STUPID WHORE! Look in the damn mirror...as you like to say. It's you. You are the loser, you are unwanted, and you make everyone around you miserable. No one loves you, no one wants you, and the only reason your pantywaist of a husband is with you is because you wouldn't do anything but suck him off (and how that's different from "conventional" sex I don't get...you're still a whore by your own definition) and he's ugly. Period.

Go die painfully...preferably under a bus full of servers.
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girl, please dont hold it in, its bad for you honey. He he.
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" I believe you said "are you gonna tip me"?"

I still SERVED them in PROPER order, just didn't do something that WAS NEVER my job for no tip. Opening creamers and sugars is the "CUSTOMER'S" job. If they were willing to tip for it, I'd go BEYOND my duties of my job, which would be doing something the "CUSTOMER" should be doing. If I did that for EVERY customer, customers would be pissed their food and/or drink is taking too long and I wouldn't have time for side work such as restocking, which is very necessary not to have to walk to the back everytime you need something. That makes customers wait LONGER for their stuff if I have to go to the back. Imagine if EVERY customer would asks that, I wouldn't have time to serve people that are buying a lot more and the place would go out of business because they would only be making coffee sales because the service would take a WHOLE LOT LONGER and the customers would drive off or leave the shop. I have had customers leave drive-thru because of long waits. There was only 1 cook, so if they had a lot of orders that had to be cooked like hamburgers, it took TIME. One time, EVERY car in drive-thru that went to the street wanted kastleburgers basically and there was one woman that complained to the manager about it, but the manager could only tell this lady we only have 1 grill and 1 cook with LOTS of orders of the SAME thing you are ordering, so it takes time. My point is, people in drive-thru DON'T want to wait, that is WHY they are in drive-thru usually in the FIRST place.
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"You know what this all means, you have NO LIFE."

LOOK WHO'S TALKING, a person that COUNTS the words. I DON'T even bother with that. If you had time to count words, YOU have NO LIFE. I ONLY counted words if I had a paper in school to do that had to be a certain amount of words, that is IT. A person doesn't have MUCH of a life to COUNT words of all things. LOOK IN THE MIRROR! You will see a person that counts words instead of not worrying about "HOW MANY" words I have written. WHO really CARES about how many words are written? I DON'T give a sh**.

"LORDS YOUR NUTS!!!!!"

YOU'RE NUTS to count an EXACT NUMBER of words. WHO in the hell CARES about HOW MANY words a person posts? That's just plain STUPID to tell me about.

"Maybe she was asking her if she had decided what she wanted since its only fair that SHE WAS THERE FIRST RIGHT."

NO, I was there FIRST. Second of all, my request came BEFORE the guy customer came up to the bar, so I WAS DEFINATELY WITHOUT A DOUBT, FIRST! Second of all, I was WAITING BEHIND someone to order like a "LINE" like it's SUPPOSE to be. So, I DID have a wait already BEFORE she took my order, which I waited "MY TURN." Then she INTERRUPTED "MY TURN" to hold the styrofoam cup in her hand to go to give a friend and item and chat for approx. 15 seconds and that is when I said "Are you going to make my drink?" She replied "There's no reason for that attitude." I feel there's NO REASON to STOP to chat with a friend and bring an item to a friend instead of "SERVING" the customer like her job TRUTHFULLY is. I bet the manager, which I KNOW, because my husband and I would go there years ago A LOT, like sometimes EVERY WEEKEND, when there was GOOD SERVICE because there were DIFFERENT bartenders working. I even know his name, that is HOW WELL I know this guy manager and have chatted with him as well as times that he served me, which he DID do what he was suppose to do. We even saw him at a near by restaurant one time and said hello. I RARELY got treated like crap there EVER. That is CRAP treatment to have someone take your order, but then talk to a friend. I NEVER have that happen at McDonalds and they have NOTHING to GAIN from making the customer first, NOTHING! The bartenders have their tips to gain. You don't just go take someone's order and put it on the back burner for "YOURSELF" for something that could have waited, not like if a person has a bathroom emergency, then I could UNDERSTAND, but NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, chit-chat. That is SO DAMN RUDE and UNFORGIVEABLE. What kind of tip the bartender thinks they are going to receive for making "THEIR" conversation "MORE IMPORTANT" than a customer? HOW DARE THEY treat another human being like that. This bartender hadn't been working there that long, because I have NEVER had her before.

The guy friend was there SECOND and my "ORDER" which is a "REQUEST" came FIRST.

"Of course she didn't care about your tip."

Well, it's "HER" income LOSS, NOT MINE! If she would have even apologized instead of giving me an attitude, I would have tipped her at least 10%, but "F" her for being an a-hole to me. She was MEAN, so I was MEAN back. That's HOW IT GOES! You be nice, I'll be nice in my tip.

"Because your standards are never met."

THEY ARE met MANY of times. Plus, my standards are just that I want to be treated like "MY WAIT" MEANS SOMETHING and that if I receive a mistake, that they actually "CARE ENOUGH" to apologize for the mistake.

Tonight, my husband and I went to a mexican restaurant, but only got drinks and a dessert. I had ordered a margarita, which is on their menu, possibly the internet for now because of Katrina. It was on their regular menu before, but they don't have the drink lists they did before Katrina hit. Anyway, I order it and she said "I never heard of it" even though I've had it SERVERAL TIMES there, even LAST WEEK! It's VERY PATHETIC when a "CUSTOMER" KNOWS MORE about the menu than the wait staff. It's one of their speciality margaritas on their internet menu and it was on their menu before the hurricane. Anyway, I had ordered a Dr. Pepper 1st, then the margarita with salt. I went to the bathroom, then when I came back, my husband had his soft drink, but not me. So, she came with the margarita, STILL NO Dr. Pepper. I told her I had ordered a Dr. Pepper, NO APOLOGY and then there was NO SALT on my glass which is BLANTLY "OBVIOUS" with NO apology either. I left her ZERO on $22 and something cents. Last week I gave the waitress that served me $5 on $21 and something cents, because she didn't FORGET anything with no apology. I would have given her SOMETHING if she would have said she was sorry, but NO, she has to be "UNCARING." My mouth was hot from the salsa and chips I was eating because I thought she'd be coming with the soft drink with the margarita, but NEVER did I expect a server that writes the order down to FORGET it. I took some of my husband's diet coke just to get some relief while I was waiting for NO REAL REASON. What an IDIOT waitress who doesn't know the restaurant she is working at as far as what kind of speciality drinks they server. Secondly, that she brought out the margarita with NO SALT and specifically said "With Salt", and thirdly, which was the MAIN reason for the stiff, she COMPLETELY FORGOT about my soft drink and didn't apologize. That pissed me off. Even condiments I can deal with, but not a soft drink that is forgotten, that's pretty major, especially considering we didn't order very much. We ordered 1 diet coke, 1 Dr. Pepper, a dessert, and a margarita when she greeted us. HOW HARD is that to remember when you write it all down? If the soft drink is wrong, that isn't major as major because I can at LEAST drink the WRONG drink while I am waiting, but having NO SOFT DRINK, with NO apology, is UNACCEPTABLE. She stupidly brought out the margarita WITHOUT even LOOKING at the glass. What an IDIOT! It's NOT like a burrito that has the wrong filling, it's salt on a glass that ANYONE can see as long as they have their sense of sight. The NO apology and charging me for a soft drink that was FORGOTTEN that "I" had to REMIND her about, made me feel "FURIOUS." I feel, if something is forgotten about, the server should ASK the manager can they could comp it or can we give the customer something for their LONGER wait. It's PATHETIC when I had to grab my husband's drink to drink something. It's PATHETIC that she didn't know the drinks that are on the INTERNET and I DO, which I DON'T even work there.

"300 word minimum PLEASE??"

So you are telling me I'm suppose to listen to you tell me insults such as "SO TAKE THE BEYATCH!!!!"! HELL NO! I WON'T listen to someone that is MEAN to me, HOW DARE YOU! What kind of human being are you?

"Stop terrorizing the poor and already suffered people of New Orleans."

I'm NOT terrorizing ANYONE. I am treating the servers and bartenders the way the treat me. If they treat me like GOLD, I'll treat them like GOLD. They treat me like CRAP, I'll treat them like CRAP. It's a 2-WAY street. You can't expect a tip for being UNCARING and MEAN. If she would have apologized, that would have made me tip, but she didn't care, so I didn't care. I treat people the EXACT way they treat me PERIOD! HOW will they LEARN to do better if someone doesn't let them KNOW they were a BAD server? You give them a tip, they will feel they didn't do so badly and KEEP TREATING OTHERS AS WELL as if I was to have that server again, which I would request someone else if that happened. I don't want to go through that again. I'd MUCH RATHER give the $5 tip or MORE on a $20 check than to give zero, because I don't like being pissed off, I'd rather spend the money on getting a GOOD SERVER that actually CARES about their customers. It's just NOT WORTH saving the money to have a MISERABLE time. I'd rather be HAPPY and have GOOD SERVICE, HONESTLY!
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and I said, no salt, NO SALT on the margarita...and there's big grains of salt...I could burn this place down...put poison in the water...

Tell me lords, did you ever get your red Swingline stapler back?
"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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So you are telling me I'm suppose to listen to you tell me insults such as "SO TAKE THE BEYATCH!!!!"! HELL NO! I WON'T listen to someone that is MEAN to me, HOW DARE YOU! What kind of human being are you?

She like the rest of us a very frustrated kind caring human being that works hard at her job and is tired of being insulted by you! You really have no idea what it is like to actually have compassion for your fellow man or woman or server or bartender.... You don't enjoy life eating out. You come here to spew your evilness and we all get tired of hearing how we all don't do things your way. AND then when we tell you how we do things and why you call us stupid and lazy. Maybe if you hadn't made yourself out to be a gold-digging, evil, mean, cold hearted, illmannered, trailer trash, and have no real knowledge of being a real server, bartender, or a human being for that matter... we might take your off the wall rants seriously. But since you lie, cheat and steal every chance you get and put all of us down for making a decent living doing what we do best... we don't care about what you think. Seriously we use you as humor for our workplaces. Yes the customer is first... that's why we multitask... not just for you that wants a million different changes to the menu but for the people waiting at the door... you want your check? Okay I'm going to do that but I'm also going to grab what I can to bring back to the kitchen so when your complaining leaves.. that table and the one next to it is ready for other tables to be sat. It's not being lazy it's time management! All these people are tired of listening to you say the same crap and lords it is crap over and over again. The reason why she counted your words is because she probably didn't want to read what you had to say because she knows that anything you have to say will either make no sense, is a lie, or is just plain evil.

Happy New Year to everyone else!
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girl I love you!
I was actually trying to be ?nice? to it but you know how far that will go! You are too funny but right on it!
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Ty coorslite and happy new year to you also.
Happy New Year to everyone else on this board. I'd like to put out a special Happy New Year to Joe Smoe. The guy I put first before anybody else in line or waiting for me to wait on them. Keep then twenties comin Joey baby.
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Thanks, coorslite!

And jammie?

She ticked me off on a day where I felt kind of crappy due to a nasty cold that I actually had called in sick for! You know, thinking of others and not making them sick...call me crazy, but it seems like that's the responsible thing to do.
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God bless all the Joes! Love ya!
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thegirl
"You know, thinking of others and not making them sick...call me crazy, but it seems like that's the responsible thing to do."

WHOMEVER gave me the sickness in the first place DIDN'T care about getting "ME" sick and also I'm NOT going to miss payment for days that I could actually "DO SOMETHING" instead of stay home and do absolutely NOTHING but housework. People go to stores that have colds to get medicine, but touch shopping baskets, so in turn, give OTHERS sicknesses. So, I can't say I've stayed home ALL THE TIME and so can't y'all because there's NO WAY unless you had SOMEONE ELSE get you your medicine that you didn't go out the house to pass on the sickness to OTHERS. Even when you go to the doctor, you can be passing on germs to others. So, HOW DARE y'all try to get better so others can get your sickness? That's the way y'all are treating me like I'm the villian, when EVERYBODY ELSE in this world doesn't miss 2-3 weeks of work for just a cold or sinus problem. Maybe for the flu, a week, but NO WAY for just a cold. I'd get FIRED if I didn't come to work for that amount of time. ANY PLACE would probably let the employee go. My mother even told me about a lady's daughter, which she talks to the mother, told me that her daughter worked at a bank and she was "THROWING UP" and they MADE HER STAY at work even. They even said she could be "FAKING." Anyway, MOST places "WANT" you to come to work whether you are sick or not. That's how my boss was at the donut shop. A girl LITERALLY was SHIVERING, trying to stay, but just had to leave because she had the flu. You could tell she wasn't faking, but my boss said she was faking. My point is, employees want "WORKERS", NOT people that don't come in. Even the interview I had with the job I have now, the boss told me "It's always something with people why they can't come in or can't come in on time." A LOT of employers are like that, that they WANT employees to work when they are sick. I'm not going to make less money if I feel ok to dance and sing karoke like I did when I had that cold when I had the 99.2 fever, NO WAY. When I had 100.5 fever, I did feel bad enough to go home, but I wasn't at work, I was at school. Anyway, my point is, if I feel fine, WHY BOTHER going home? So I can have MORE WORK to make up? HELL NO! So I can get less pay or if I have benefits, use my sick time for just a cold? NO WAY IN HELL! That ain't happenin'! WHOMEVER gave me the sickness looked out for "THEIRSELF", so it's ONLY FAIR I look out for "MYSELF" as well as the companies work. The boss asked me if I felt like I needed to go home and I said "I feel fine besides the coughing." The owner had a DIFFERENT opinion, he told me "You'll be fine" meaning he wanted me NOT to EVER miss work when I told him I had a fever of 99.2. He said "That's not bad." So, see, employers WANT you to work most of the time. I'm NOT going to miss work just for a cold, HELL NO! One day doesn't help when you have a cold for a week or 2. I wouldn't stay in bed anyway. I'd be doing housework and dancing. I wouldn't be just doing absolutely nothing unless I had a higher fever like close to 100, then I may want to lie in bed. 99.2 is so close to 98.6, so I didn't feel really bad or anything. I had that cold or sinus infection for a good 2 weeks or more, maybe 3. Can you imagine not getting paid for that amount of time? There's NO place that usually gives that many sick days most of the time even if I would have had benefits, which I didn't, so there was NO WAY I was not going to have money to pay bills and such with so I can think of other's health. 2 people got the cold out of the whole place of approx. 17 people or so. That is why I didn't have benefits, it was a SMALL company.
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Hey i'll admit saying take that beyatch was a little childish but damnit i'm frustrated. Oh and counting the words was just a copy and paste thing then checking the number of words on a word document. It takes like two seconds. Everything else i stand by. One question do you have a job? And if you do what is it?
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Loser, nice to know you think of others.

Nice to know that you will knowingly infect other people, who most likely DIDN'T infect you...treating them like crap and not caring even though they didn't treat you that way. Really nice to know that you have no qualms about making 2 people sick just so your selfish ass can make another $56 pretax. More importantly, thank you for showing me that the world revolves around you. I thought it was the sun, but apparently, it's you. (sarcasm mode off)

By the way, sick for 3 weeks? If you ate healthful foods instead of garbage like poptarts, you'd not be sick as long.

I'm so glad that you have continued to show yourself as nasty, mean, selfish, immoral, slutty, and unconscionable. I understand now that I can say whatever I please about you, and it's truth. You deserve everything you get, and I hope you die of a tartar induced heart attack before you can breed.

By the way, want to get me off your back? Just apologize for your uncalled for, ignorant, and rude comments about my grandmother's cancer, and I'll leave you be...until then, the gloves are off.
"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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Maybe you picked up the illness by going out to a bar or restaurant, so you put yourself there and its your own fault. ( by your standards ) So these poor defenseless coworkers that stay home and dont venture out into the germ infected world get sick from you. That's not fair, very caring or considerate.
Girl, I thought the same who gets sick for two - three weeks? I havent been sick for ... I cant tell you when I think its been two years. I take multi vitamins and eat properly and rest, I dont consume too much alcohol. Maybe a glass of wine, once in while.
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I know what you mean, jammie.

This is my first cold in something like 2 years...of course, I picked it up from my son, who I kept home when he had it.

Gotta love the parents who send their sick kids to the YMCA, right? And you just know loser on acid will do that if, God forbid, she ever breeds. Infecting dozens of other kids...the bad part is that I had to send my daughter to their dad's while her brother and I are sick. She was born with severe asthma, and one cold could land her in the hospital, unable to breathe. Which is why I cannot understand how that fat loser can justify going into work and making other innocent people sick. It's just wrong, on every level. How would she feel if someone died because she got them sick? Especially when working with food, as she claims to have done. You cannot work in a restaurant when you are really sick...you potentially infect the entire customer base that comes in that shift, as well as the rest of the staff.

Loser is so irresponsible, nasty, and just an all around bad person that I feel no qualms about saying whatever I please to her. She deserves everything she gets, and if I ever had her face to face, I'd love to just unload on her until she either got it or started to cry.

And then I'd laugh.
"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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Road trip being planned? I would love to come face to face with her! I swear I'll bring the beer! And I'll serve each and everyone of you without caring about myself just who was there first! Do you think that at a young age she had a labotomy? Or is she Amish? It was on the news awhile ago that the Amish have an "outbrake" (spelling... lords check that for me) of retardedness. Before if the Amish had a retarded child they would kill it... now that they have to report their births ect... there is a lot of inbreeding in that community also... anyways... a retarded or handicapped baby was killed, they were of no use in the house or in the field. So I'm guessing that time line concludes she is not Amish because she'd have been killed. So maybe labotomy????
I haven't been sick for years and years and years! Even with working with the public it is amazing. I eat a lot of salads, and take a lot of vitamins so that I guess my system fights it off.
I swear I was making 1000 Island dressing the other day and was laughing like hell... Mayo and relish....tartar... lords... YUCK!!!!! And then I added the ketchup. Ranch dressing... One GALLON of Mayo...buttermilk... salt content??? Made that with more laughter! Oh wait a minute... I'm just a selfish server who does nothing but be your slave... I also do prep! On top of cutting lemons, rolling silverware, dishes when it gets backed up, grate cheese, clean the restrooms, sweep and mop the floors, expo the food, help make subs and get all the side orders, make salads, cut up the lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers and green peppers for it, then wait on you. Not in that order of course because inbetween all of that I am playing hostess, cashier and washing my hands a million times a day so that YOU don't get sick! You brought premade doughnuts to a table. Gee your job was so similar to mine! You need to go to a McDonalds or Burger King posting site where they do the same thing you did. Guess that didn't work out for you anyways because you are now working where? For how much an hour? But it really doesn't matter how much you make... you stole a house from the elderly... you think the world owes you something... you lie cheat steal food and always find a reason why it is just. You insult people for NO REASON! You are not in our shoes and although we have banged our heads against a brick wall.... YOU... will never understand what it is like to deal with the real work place.
Road trip taking place before she dies of ignorance or will we just dance on her grave? Oh they don't bury the dead in New Orleans... so when she does die... crap floats....
Sorry won't EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (joke! just incase you need that hint) try to be NICE again!
So now I'm going to stomp my feet and go grab another beer!
renasue... so don't be sorry for anything you post about her, she did this to herself!
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Oh Girl, she would justify it because someone gave it to her. Therefore it is not her fault, like anything else its not her fault. She takes no responsibility for her actions.
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I know, it just sucks major ass to know there are people like her allowed to walk around and use up perfectly good air, whilst people like John Lennon die young.
"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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I kinda wish she would get kicked off of this site so she doesn't piss me off anymore, but then again i think i would be missing out on a damn good laugh to tell all of my coworkers
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Hi everybody! Did you miss me? Not a server anymore, but had to pop in to say hi to my peoples and to check on Lards of Acid.....Oh boy...guess she got this back:


Guess we'll have to continue hearing about the Tommy's Hot Dog Barn and Chili's Tex Mex eploits of these two?:


Oh well, Lords, one more thing:

"and yeah...why don't you go ahead and come in on Sunday, too...get a jump on the week, k?"
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Lords, I worked at Vesuvio for years. Every one of us would have tossed you out on your ass, and Leo would have applauded. They still hate people like youn there. Why? Because you are wrong, and bad for business.
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"Because you are wrong, and bad for business."

HOW can you say I'm wrong? The bartender is the one that is BAD for business by IGNORING a sale to talk to a friend and give him something. Tell me, HOW is the business going to pay the bartender if there are no sales because the bartender cares only about talking and giving something to her friend? The manager would want a sale, NOT for the bartender to IGNORE the customer.

Do you get treated like that when you are at McDonald's or the grocery store? Do you get held up at these places because that person that is SUPPOSE to be "SERVING" you decides their PERSONAL conversation is MORE IMPORTANT than the sale or their tip? If you don't, which I don't at these places, WHY just because it's a bar that it's ok to DELAY a customer?

"Every one of us would have tossed you out on your ass"

I know the owner of the pool hall and talked to him many of times. He wouldn't have thrown me out a customer that was a "REGULAR" for a LONG TIME, YEARS for a SELFISH MEAN bartender that isn't serving people.

HOW can you say that it's very polite or nice to take a person's order, but then go to give a friend an item and chat with him? It think that's rather RUDE and WRONG. She couldn't have expected a tip for that. We spent a LOT of money a LOT of weekends there with buying drinks and playing pool. We'd spend with the tip around $40 or more, that is how long we'd play pool and how much they charge per person to play. If she would have taken my order and talked WHILE she served me, then that's fine, but NO WAY is it ok to STOP serving someone to chat or give something to someone. HOW MEAN and UNCARING of a human being she is!
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HOW MEAN and UNCARING of a human being she is!

Kettle, meet Loser. She says you're black.
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Wasn't her friend there, waiting for something, before you? Shouldn't she go in order? Maybe her friend was also a customer, so friend should get his/her item, even if it were a personal item before your drink, because friend asked for it first.

To get this upset over 15 seconds is ridiculous. I've had to wait for people in all occupations to finish up / deal with other people while I'm interacting with the world. It's the way it works. Deal with it or stay home - otherwise you're going to die very young from all of this stress. Your blood pressure must be through the roof.
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Lords, bartending isn't simply about the transaction; it's primarily about creating a friendly, happy environment. Your fast food mentality IS bad for business,as it draws undue attention to the fact that money is changing hands. Your "me first" stuff alienates the other customers. Every person at that bar is at the same groovin party, until you come along with such a bad attitude. Get over yourself. Why do you even bother to go to bars, when you can buy take out?
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The bartender wasn't ignoring you... she took your order and had the styro cup in her hand. Since you are incapable of understanding the concept that you are not the only person in the world... I know that you will not understand this. So I'll try to explain it as simple as I can. People in the "service business" must multi-task, interact with ALL customers, other employees. When a customers with your wants and demands comes in with an attitude that you are the only one there, you give off that vibe and although we all try to make sure everyone gets everything they need and want in a timely manner, an experienced bartender or server knows that no matter what they do for you it will never be enough. You will complain that the food came to slow, they refilled your drink. You want great service yet you change your own rules about everything everytime you open your mouth. You don't want chit chat, you don't want a refill of the same drink, but you want a million condiments and yet when you get overcharged or wait 15 seconds for something you go into another fit. Ever watch nick at nite? They promote the "family table" Make dinner for your husband! Eat at home and leave the rest of the population alone! (God, I see an insane website post for that statement!)

By the way going to a pool hall and sitting in a bar subjects you to lung cancer. As a matter of fact walking outside in that fresh clean air can cause it too!
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tricky
"Wasn't her friend there, waiting for something, before you?"

NO, he wasn't at the bar. I was waiting BEHIND someone to order that was at the bar BEFORE I got there. I do the right thing which is WAIT MY TURN. When it was "MY TURN", it was INTERRUPTED by her "PERSONAL" situation instead of the customer that had ordered BEFORE this person even came to the bar. Once you take an order, if the person tries to get your attention, you say "I'll be with you in a moment" and at the same time you are saying that you should be serving the customer. When I was at the donut shop, the drive-thru would beep as I would be fixing a mixed dozen for someone inside that was getting a mixed dozen to-go, in order for me to hear them since the beep was very loud, I just answered the drive-thru speaker saying "One moment please" instead of "May I take your order?" The reason, because I was GOING IN ORDER, meaning, I WASN'T about to INTERRUPT this person from ordering to get "SOMEONE ELSE'S" order that was "AFTER" that person was. I had to answer it or if I didn't it would have made it difficult to hear the person and my boss would have been mad that the people would think we are ignoring them and they just drive off, so I had to at least answer it with "One moment please" which is SIGNIFICANTLY LESS time than to take an order and I could actually HEAR the customer tell me what they wanted, instead of being distracted with the constant "Beep, Beep, Beep", it would just beep if you didn't answer it.

My point is, I treated people FAIRLY, which is "WHO'S FIRST is FIRST, WHO'S SECOND IS SECOND, and so on." I think it would be rather RUDE if I would have INTERRUPTED someone's order to chat with a friend or take another person's order and IGNORE the customer I was INITIALLY taking and fixing an order for. I NEVER treated people like that. It's just not very nice to do that and I would deserve to get no tip or be told something for being that rude if I would have choosen to do that.

"It's the way it works."

A LOT of times it DOESN'T. People actually do what's right like at the grocery store or even at bars I have had bartenders that were NICE enough to serve me in order and not IGNORE me for their PERSONAL whatevers. It DOESN'T have to be unfair like that if the people would just "SERVE" the people instead of "INTERRUPT" someone's TURN for "ANOTHER" person's turn. It's just NOT RIGHT to interrupt someone's turn. I don't interrupt someone when they are ordering, I WAIT MY TURN like a CONSIDERATE HUMAN BEING would. Just like the fact that I went BEHIND someone to order, instead of on the side of him to possibly go first, which I would have said "He was before me." See, that is the RIGHT thing to do. I don't take my turn until it's MY TURN. The ONLY ways I can see INTERRUPTING someone is either there's an emergency or something is wrong with the order or the bill. Like at Burger King, I have gone up to the side and said "This is wrong." Because if I would wait in line, they'd have to give me new fries because they would get cold and also, since I was BEFORE these people, my order should be fulfilled 100% correct, so if there's something wrong with it, it needs to be taken care of BEFORE ANY OTHER orders are taken or made. Same thing with someone's overcharge, since the person's turn got messed up by the overcharge, it's ONLY FAIR to FIX it IMMEDIATELY because it's just NOT FAIR to make people wait longer for a server or cashier's mess up. Initially, the person being overcharge was there FIRST, so if it's not correct, it should be taken care of RIGHT AWAY. It makes sense for other customers too, like if people are waiting for a table, think of the people that would like to be seated, so if the server gets the person's overcharge fixed sooner, they will probably leave sooner, so the table can available for others that are waiting for a table. Also, if the server makes the person wait longer to fix the overcharge, that would make a LOT of people PISSED, even more than what they would be if it got fixed RIGHT AWAY. But, personal conversation is NOT something that is a mistake or an emergency to interrupt someone's turn.

"Your blood pressure must be through the roof."

It's been pretty normal for my weight. I don't think I've ever been as high as the norm as far as when I've had my blood pressure checked.

"To get this upset over 15 seconds is ridiculous."

That is YOUR opinion. I think it's NOT ridiculous and that it's RIDICULOUS to make "PERSONAL CONVERSATION" ahead of a PAYING customer that DID actually order something at that moment and that person she was talking to DIDN'T. I think it's RIDICULOUS not to think of the "CUSTOMER'S" FEELINGS and just "HER FRIEND"S" feelings. That's NOT very nice and it's not going to get her as much tips as she could have had by treating customers like they are INVISABLE.

"because friend asked for it first."

"I" had ordered BEFORE the friend did. That's the TRUTH.

sfbt
"Why do you even bother to go to bars?"

They can make drinks BETTER than I can and they have more ingredients than I do.

coorslite
"The bartender wasn't ignoring you."

I didn't say she IGNORED me, I said she IGNORED making my order for a "FRIEND" of all things, instead of talking "WHILE" she made the drink, but instead she made a customer WAIT for NO REASON WHAT-SO-EVER.

"People in the "service business" must multi-task."

NO ONE said she had to talk to the "FRIEND" and give him the item at that moment. NO ONE said she had to INTERRUPT a "CUSTOMER'S" order for HER FRIEND. HOW SELFISH is the bartender? VERY SELFISH ONLY THINKING OF HERSELF and NOT the "CUSTOMER'S" time, just her friend's and her OWN time, but NONE of the other customers, which there were OTHER CUSTOMERS WAITING to order, which she delayed OTHER CUSTOMER'S ORDERS as well as MINE, all for HERSELF and her friend. HOW MEAN and INCONSIDERATE of a human being is she! WHO EVER said it's ok to delay customers. As I just said, she delayed OTHERS too, that were waiting, so she's the mean and UNCARING bartender that DOESN'T give a SH** about her customers, ONLY HERSELF and HER FRIEND.

It's like when she said "There's no need for that attitude." Well, there's NO NEED to DELAY MY ORDER and there's NO NEED to delay OTHER'S from ordering either. Customer's shouldn't be delayed for "PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS" ANYWHERE, whether it would be buying popcorn at a movie theatre or grocery store line or bar or restaurant or ANY PLACE.

CUSTOMER'S SHOULD ALWAYS COME FIRST, ALWAYS,ALWAYS, ALWAYS! Friends are LAST when a person is ON THE JOB! A SALE COMES BEFORE A FRIEND!
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Lords, what if the bartender had asked you nicely,(before she handed her friend the item), if she could hand her friend whatever it was the friend needed. Would you have minded as long as she asked you first?
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Maybe if they said "Mother, may I...."
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I'm new here - so first of all, let me say hello to all you glorious folks in the industry. Keep your chins up.

Now... down to business. As I'm sure most of you have, I've been in the industry for years. And, of course, I've come across more than my fair share of horrid customers. But I could safely say, until recently, that I had never had the misfortune of arguing in circles for days with someone who has never served (or bartended, or bussed, etc.) in her life about what it means to be a "good server", etc. (No, lords... donut shops DON'T count.)

I'm pulling my hair out here.

Here's what I want to know. Who the hell does she think she is? The fact that she compares being served at a bar to being in line at the grocery store or at McDonalds says a lot.

lords - if everyone you ever talk to, that actually DOES the job for a living, disagrees with you, how can you still think you're right? You have NO idea what it takes. And it's clear that you never will. Do you not know that everyone here is making fun of you? No one wants you as their customer, because you are a rude, selfish, snotty pig. Yet you keep on making the same stupid arguments over and over.

People, no matter how much explanation you give, she won't get it. She's uninterested in the truth and only cares to bitch and moan.

I've given up on trying to convince her (or at the very least, get her to see another perspective), because she doesn't care. So here's what I propose....

Maybe if everyone ignores her, she'll go away.

Probably not. But it's worth a try. Because, really, talking to her is about as useful banging your head against a wall - and certainly as painful.

We are powerful... we can overcome this stupidity. :-)
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I posted in Bitterwaitress that I think Lords is a creation of some clever and malicious person with too much time on her/his hands. I mean,how could such a neurotic and frantic creature have a husband and a job?
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"lords - if everyone you ever talk to, that actually DOES the job for a living, disagrees with you, how can you still think you're right?"

That's the POINT, they aren't in the CUSTOMER's place, they're in the server's or bartender's place. The workers are out to do LESS WORK for their money, which means they don't care if the "CUSTOMER" is waiting, they just want their tip ANYWAY. The bartender cared about her FRIEND ONLY. Can't you see that, she didn't care about her customers that were waiting to order even and the customer, me, that was waiting for her drink to be made? Can't you see she wasn't WORKING at the time, that she was chatting with a friend? Sure, chatting may be part of the bartender's job, but I can assure you, the manager wouldn't want the bartender to pass up a sale because the bartender is IGNORING customers or is IGNORING her order that she just took. It's like HOW could the place stay in business if there aren't ANY sales because the bartender ignores the customers?

You must NOT be a customer much if you'd rather watch people wait longer for YOUR conversations. I KNOW people have griped when things to a long time at the donut shop, I've been through it. One time a lady at drive-thru aparently didn't know the kastleburgers were cooked to order and she banged on the window. She asked me "Where are my burgers?" I told her they have to have time to cook. There are people that are IMPATIENT just like me, but I can see if the bartender isn't making the drink, that lady COULDN'T see the cook in the back when she was in her vehicle. That's the DIFFERENCE. I can see if someone is holding the customer up for a "PERSONAL" conversation. If the manager is talking with the person about the job, then there's nothing I can do about that, but a personal conversation with a friend is just NOT RIGHT if the bartender has just taken my order, but sits on the order essentially to chat. Whether it's for 15 seconds or for 2 minutes, it's not so much about the time, it's about the attitude that the bartender is IGNORING my order COMPLETELY within that amount of time because she ONLY CARED about HERSELF and her FRIEND. She DIDN'T care about ANY of her CUSTOMERS at ALL, just her friend, whether he was a customer or not, he shouldn't get treated with ANY PREFERENTIAL treatment, he should get treated the SAME as EVERYONE ELSE in this world that goes there. He shouldn't get to "CUT" in a sense, when my order was placed BEFORE he even got up to the bar. It's like the attitude of "It's ok to hold up customers so I can talk to my friend and give him an item." That's just NOT MORALLY right or NICE.

"No one wants you as their customer, because you are a rude, selfish, snotty pig."

Actually, the BARTENDER was the one that was RUDE to take my order, but to (not literally) SIT ON IT, by doing something else INSTEAD of serving the CURRENT customer that JUST ordered. The bartenders wants tips, so WHY can't they think "If I was there, would I want to wait for her to finish chatting?" I bet MOST customers would say "NO!" They'd want to get served as soon as they could be. You really think people want to wait for the bartender to finish to talking instead of serve them, you've got to be kidding if you think people want to WAIT LONGER for that. MOST people in this world DON'T want to wait LONGER than they have to for things and "PERSONAL CONVERSATION" is one of those things that should be done AFTER the bartender just took that current customer's order or even during the order the bartender could chat.

"The fact that she compares being served at a bar to being in line at the grocery store or at McDonalds says a lot."

What does it say? I feel it saids I know what "CUSTOMER SERVICE" SHOULD BE like. I know what it should NOT be like. If it is like what that bartender did to me, they won't receive a tip for being so SELFISH that they just HAD to have that conversation before making the customer's drink. That's a bit SELFISH if you ask me, especially because there were OTHER PEOPLE WAITING as well as myself, so it's not even like I was the ONLY CUSTOMER waiting or something, they had OTHER PEOPLE that wanted to get "SERVED" to, not to waste "THEIR" time they were spending an hourly rate on renting the table to stay at the bar longer instead of playing pool. SO WHAT if it's a bar vs. a fast food place, ANY HUMAN BEING SHOULD get treated like GOLD NO MATTER WHERE it is. If it is a fancy restaurant or McDonald's or Applebee's or a bar or whereever, people DESERVE to get treated like a HUMAN BEING, NOT like NOTHING. Just because it's a bar doesn't give the bartender a right not to be nice enough to think of the "CUSTOMER'S" feelings to be nice. Sure, any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service if they want to, but, since she didn't refuse my service, she should have been polite enough to MAKE the drink so not only could she finish with me faster, but the OTHER CUSTOMERS also. To think of the "CUSTOMER" should ALWAYS be TOP PRIORITY, NOT the person that is working such as the bartender. If the bartender and server wants to make good tips, they have to think about "HOW does the customer feel if I do this before I serve them and how I'd feel if I was in their shoes?"

Example: I went to Applebee's Saturday. The waiter came to the table at the end and we said we wanted the check. He went to buss a table and grab dishes as well as greeted people that JUST got seated BEFORE we EVER received our check. That's WRONG, when if he would have went to get the check, they could have had our table that much FASTER for others to be seated. He made us wait for dishes of all things and people that came in WAY the HELL AFTER us. My point is, if the server or bartender treats the customer like they CARE about the CUSTOMER'S experience and wait, then the server or bartender will receive a MUCH BETTER tip. Like I want to watch him grab dishes and buss the table. I JUST requested the check, he should have just gone to get it, but instead, he ONLY CARED about CLEANING, NOT the CUSTOMER'S FEELINGS or TIME, or the POTENTIAL customers that were going to be seated because there was a MUCH LONGER wait for a table when we left we saw. Sure, you have to have a clean table for the next customers, but that would be ONE MORE TABLE that only needed bussing instead of getting people out also. The SOONER they can fill out the credit card slip or get change, the sooner they can leave for the NEXT CUSTOMER to get seated. Do you really think people want to wait LONGER for the check when they are ready to leave? NO WAY do they unless they have asked for the check while they were eating dessert or if they were still drinking or eating, but if they are completely finished, usually people want to LEAVE.

bluediamond4541
"Would you have minded as long as she asked you first?"

OF COURSE I would have minded. It was "MY TURN", so I think she should have been POLITE enough to make my drink instead of stopping BEFORE she even started making it by holding the cup in her hand, going to get the item and give it to the friend as well as chatted. As I said before, I waited my turn to go because I waited behind someone else that was there BEFORE me to do what's RIGHT. Example: When it's that person's turn that was in front of me, for example: if she would have done that to that person, she wouldn't have not only delayed the person in front of me, but she would have delayed the person behind that person as well. That's what she did to the other people that were at the bar and there were at least 2 or more people WAITING to be "SERVED" just like I was. I don't think it's very nice to take my order, but then go to do something else that is personal that's not an emergency. Things that I would consider emergencys would be going to the bathroom or sneezing or coughing or taking a sip of drink because of continuous coughing.

"She's uninterested in the truth."

The truth is that some bartenders just care about their conversations and NOT about "SERVING" the public. They don't care about their tips or their customer's time or feelings for that matter. They SHOULD care about these things out of COMMON DECENCY.

sfbt
"I mean,how could such a neurotic and frantic creature have a husband and a job?"

I have been married since 2002 and have a job. I don't have kids, so I do have a LOT of time than people that do.
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Lords said: "ANY HUMAN BEING SHOULD get treated like GOLD NO MATTER WHERE it is. If it is a fancy restaurant or McDonald's or Applebee's or a bar or whereever, people DESERVE to get treated like a HUMAN BEING, NOT like NOTHING".

The reason these things bother you so much is that you feel like nothing and need the validation of servers to feel that you're not. That's obvious.

Ignoring the rest of your stupid post, as a former bartender, let me tell you a thing or two.

There were a few times "personal issues" came in front of my drink orders. Such as once I had to ask a friend to take a (legally carried)gun from a patron and lock it in his (my friend's)trunk for the safety of my patrons because he was getting out of control. Another time I gave another friend my car keys to take a drunk patron home so he wouldn't drive. Then there were the times that the cocktail waitress called in sick so I had to let my patrons wait while I huddled with a buddy to try to figure out who we could call in to work that night. Oh, and the time part of the electrical board in the DJ booth died and we tried to figure out who we could get to fix it so the entertainment could continue that evening.

All these things were done in the interest of our patrons. Individuals simply had to wait a minute for a drink. Unlike you, it wasn't a big deal to them, nor did it threaten their lives, which is how seriously you take such stupid seconds of time.

You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes Lords. You don't know what that "personal" conversation was about, that whole 15 seconds of your pathetic life. All you care about is yourself and being the center of attention.

Just let the skilled adults do their jobs. Stick with McDonalds and Happy Meals. You need a few Happy Meals and some training in manners.
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Lords said: They SHOULD care about these things out of COMMON DECENCY.

You've only heard of COMMON DECENCY because we keep trying to explain it to you. You really don't know what it is so don't EVEN TRY to use it in your stupid posts.

See, I can use CAPS LOCK too!
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I just want to step in here and mention something you may not be aware of, Lords, when it comes to prioritizing. Many large chain restaurants like the ones you visit hire mystery shoppers. i work in one of these, and we have a big sign in the back that says 'Any customer might be a mystery shopper'. According to the mystery shopper evaluation, the customer must be greeted within 30-60 seconds of being seated. however, the bill must be presented within 2 minutes of being requested. Failed mystery shops cost the restaurant money and cause servers to be fired. So if you've just asked for your bill as I'm being seated a new table, I will greet the table first because I can do that and get your bill within 2 minutes, whereas I cannot bring you your bill then go to the next table in 30 seconds. And you may call this selfish, but in the end, I care more about keeping my job than getting you your bill as fast as possible. Call me selfish, but I'm fond of a roof over my head and putting food on the table.
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"'Any customer might be a mystery shopper'"

First off, HOW do you know that it's NOT us? HOW do you know that you will be able to get the check within 2 minutes, because some people may ask what kind of drinks do y'all have and have to explain some of them, which may take MORE TIME than what you think?

"Call me selfish, but I'm fond of a roof over my head and putting food on the table."

Well, how come at Chilis, the waiter, BEFORE Katrina, that made us wait 10 minutes and then we went up to him to get rung up, didn't get fired, but we got our $26 appetizer and drinks free, plus $25 from an over $21 overcharge? Maybe it's because they don't CARE about that, they care about a worker PERIOD, that's there and they don't have to train. So, MOST situations that just doesn't happen, otherwise, I wouldn't keep seeing the SAME people serve me or around me and my check wouldn't take 5 minutes or 10 minutes or 15 minutes.

You are SELFISH, that you don't care about the CUSTOMER'S time. You don't even care about your MORE TIP you'd make even. Then what is the freakin point of working then if you are going to make LESS money by DELAYING customers. You don't know if they were going to give you more, you really don't.

It hardly ever happens that I get greeted within 30 seconds, usually it's 2-3 or more minutes, but those people continue to work there, even if I don't have them, I can see they are there.


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Lords said: "ANY HUMAN BEING SHOULD get treated like GOLD NO MATTER WHERE it is. If it is a fancy restaurant or McDonald's or Applebee's or a bar or whereever, people DESERVE to get treated like a HUMAN BEING, NOT like NOTHING".

Do servers fall into this category? Or are they not considered human beings ...
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"Do servers fall into this category?"

YES, they are human beings too, but to get respect, you have to have been given it, meaning, when a bartender says "May I help you", the bartender should just go get the order, NOT DISRESPECT the customer's time, when they will make it WORTH YOUR time to tip you. Make it WORTH their money to tip by not making them wait longer for people that have ordered AFTER them. If someone tried to get my attention, I'd say "I'm serving someone at the moment, but I'll be with you in a moment." THAT is what I call RESPECT. Servers and bartenders can't expect a good tip if they think of what all "THEY" have to do, but NOT consider the "CUSTOMER'S LONGER WAIT" for taking dishes let's say or chatting with a friend, which is something that can WAIT.

big_momma
"There were a few times "personal issues" came in front of my drink orders. Such as once I had to ask a friend to take a (legally carried)gun from a patron."

That is a LEGAL issue, NOT a PERSONAL one. It is ILLEGAL to carry a gun at a bar. Alcohol and firearms DON'T mix by LAW, not even just by common sense. This is a SAFTEY issue also, NOT a personal one.

"Another time I gave another friend my car keys to take a drunk patron home so he wouldn't drive."

That's REASONABLE and honestly, you could have called a cab for him or if he didn't have the money to, usually the police will sometimes take people home instead of having a deadly accident or an accident with injury. They do that in New Orleans around Mardi Gras I've heard on tv.

"All these things were done in the interest of our patrons."

I can see these people weren't talking about SAFTEY issues. You can see when bartenders do things like a bartender, before she made the drink I just ordered, had gave a pack of matches to a person that wanted to smoke. Now, that ISN'T a emergency or safety issue, that was just INCONSIDERATE.

"Then there were the times that the cocktail waitress called in sick so I had to let my patrons wait while I huddled with a buddy to try to figure out who we could call in to work that night. Oh, and the time part of the electrical board in the DJ booth died and we tried to figure out who we could get to fix it so the entertainment could continue that evening."

These are ALL EMERGENCY situations, MOST of the time, 99% of the time, it ISN'T an EMERGENCY. It's a friend that wants to chat with the bartender for FUN talk, NOT something SERIOUS.

I will agree, ALL these things that you've listed are MORE IMPORTANT than someone's drink, because they are SAFTEY issues, which is the MOST IMPORTANT thing.

"The reason these things bother you so much is that you feel like nothing and need the validation of servers to feel that you're not. That's obvious."

NO, I feel like I am someone IMPORTANT, because I am a PAYING customer with a potential tip ready to tip. I wouldn't treat them like that, so they shouldn't treat me so INCONSIDERATELY like that. Make me wait for "YOUR" converstion is just MEAN.

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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Now that I've read your latest screed, can I get MY 15 seconds back?
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trevorparsons:
"Do servers fall into this category? Or are they not considered human beings ..."

I applaud you sir. There's a tear in my eye. Well said.

now....

lords_of_acid:
"they aren't in the CUSTOMER's place, they're in the server's or bartender's place"

Do you know that there have been studies done that tell us that the people who tend to go out the most (for dinner, to bars, etc.) are people who work in the industry? And do you know that if you ask ANY server or bartender who their favorite customers are, the people they name are very likely to BE in the industry?

I'm not sure why you think that we don't know what it's like to be customers. What I can confidently tell you is that we are ALL better customers than you. You know why? Because....

- we say please and thank you.
- we are polite.
- we are patient.
- we are understanding.
- we are respectful.
- we are friendly.
- we are forgiving.
- we treat the people serving us as PEOPLE, not servants.

And do you know what all this means? We will always get better service than you.

So take a lesson in how to behave.
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Now that I've read your latest screed, can I get MY 15 seconds back?
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Oh... and...

lords:
"You are SELFISH, that you don't care about the CUSTOMER'S time."

Did you actually read what minerva05 wrote? As was already explained to you, the allowable lengths of time to do certain tasks are, i.e. less than 1 minute to greet a new table, and 2 minutes to get someone their check. (Those are INDUSTRY STANDARDS - not that you would know that.)

So why should your server risk not greeting the new table in time, just to bring you your check in 30 seconds, when he/she could easily greet the new table (so THEY are not waiting) and then bring you your check, still within a minute or two (which is ENTIRELY ACCEPTABLE)?

Why is your time more important than any other customer's time?
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Ok I am going to try this. Lords, do you really think that servers and bartenders are never customers? You do know that we go out to eat, out to the bar, grocery shopping, dry cleaners, and many other places. That would make us customers also. Now follow me on this please because I am honestly trying to get some of this across to you in a friendly way. When we go out, do you think that we are still servers? Are we allowed to be customers? According to what I am reading from you, we are only servants not actual people that *gasp* are customers also.

Do you really care that the bartender handed something to another customer? Seriously, didn’t you just survive a hurricane? What upsets you? Not getting the power trip over the bartender? Yes I know it is the bartender’s job to make your drink. We all know this. However, the other customer (yes a customer that is not you) asked the bartender for something while she was preparing to start making your drink. Just because she was friendly to that other customer, doesn’t make that customer her personal friend. Bartenders and waitresses are actually very friendly people if you let them be. Don’t make assumptions about the relationships between the person trying to serve you and other customers that are trying to share the same environment as you.

I don’t see how your reasoning works. I have been reading your posts for a long time. Dining in a restaurant is not like a fast food place no matter how you want to try to explain it. It is totally different. I am not going to go over this part with you. I see that many other intelligent servers have tried.

I have come to the conclusion that you were either neglected by your parents when you were little, your husband doesn’t pay attention to you because he is cheating on you, or that you were the youngest or only child. Those are the only things that can rationally explain you excessive control and your needy personality.

I am not making fun if one of the things I have listed pertains to you. I think that if they do you should seek counseling. I will help you. Maybe try Zoloft. It will relax you and take the edge off of your sociopath personality.

Now please don’t respond to this with a “One time at Chili’s Story”. Don’t tell me I am mean and uncaring. Just read it, I mean actually sit and read what I have to say, and come up with a response. Maybe if you can have a normal conversation, you can see a different side to you obsessive compulsive restaurant behavior.

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First rambling of her post...

This lady bartender took my long island iced tea order and went to give something to a friend and chatted for about 15 seconds or so. I told her "Are you going to make my drink?" She told me "There's no need for that attitude." I told her well "Customer's come FIRST and that she wouldn't get a tip!" She said "I don't care about your tip!"

I told her "Are you going to make my drink?"
I told her "Are you going to make my drink?"
I told her "Are you going to make my drink?"
I told her "Are you going to make my drink?"


Not I asked!

She told me "There's no need for that attitude."
She told me "There's no need for that attitude."
She told me "There's no need for that attitude."

Good for her to be able to read Lords right off the bat! Someone with no manners does not deserve to be treated with respect. Since none was given on Lords part the bartender had every right to respond the same way!


I told her well "Customer's come FIRST and that she wouldn't get a tip!"


Again with the caps on the word FIRST... validation that there was attitude there, and the bartender knew from her first impression that there was no to little satisfaction coming from this ill mannered shrew sitting at her bar.
Let alone a tip. With that statement the bartender had every right to repond with....


She said "I don't care about your tip!"


She knew from experience bartending that if Lords was completely satisfied there wasn't going to be much of a tip anyways! So rather than waste her time with someone so socially retarded she gave back exactly what she got. Attitude. But I'll bet that bartender was still smiling and serving others at the same time!

Cheers to the "Bad Bartender"!!!!!!!
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Anyone want to pick this statement from Lordass apart?

I bet the manager DIDN'T say make the PAYING customers WAIT for you to finish your chit-chat did he or she? I bet he or she just told you to talk, that is IT, NOT to make the sales go down by making customers wait LONGER. That doesn't blow my theory at all because as long as the conversation doesn't delay the customer, I don't care if a bartender talks or not.


How many of you have nonpaying customers at your bar? And if they are chitchatting with another employee... that person is is also tipping them out.. so they would be paying employees... Sales go up with normal customers when you chat... but then I did say normal!

Anyone else think that if they went to a bar and thier bartender was a Lordbot they would ever ever ever ever go back? Me, I'd be hanging at big_mommas bar loving life!
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"So why should your server risk not greeting the new table in time, just to bring you your check in 30 seconds."

Because she actually CARES about her customers that came in BEFORE the next table did, not to make them wait when their request CAME BEFORE they were seated, so it's only FAIR to do request IN ORDER. To think of her BIGGER tip and to consider "THEIR" wait since they requested something FIRST, just like a LINE. WHO'S FIRST is FIRST, WHO's SECOND is SECOND, and so on.

"(so THEY are not waiting)"

So according to you, "THEIR" time is MORE IMPORTANT than the customer's that were in there LONG BEFORE these people were and the request came BEFORE these people were greeted. That's just plain INCONSIDERATE of the customers that asked for their check. They asked "FIRST", so they should get their check FIRST, BEFORE doing other things UNLESS, a food or drink order happen to come out when the server was walking towards the computer, then the food or drink should be brought BEFORE getting the check because those people requested the food or drink BEFORE we requested our check, so it's ONLY FAIR to treat them as "FIRST" and us SECOND.

To you, the people that just got seated are MORE IMPORTANT than the people waiting to leave as well as request the check because the waiter came to OUR TABLE FIRST. That's just PREJUDICE, when it should be by ORDER of REQUESTS. You are ONLY, ONLY, ONLY, thinking of those people that just got seated, NOT ANY about the people waiting for the check they just requested. Even if they got seated let's say BEFORE we requested the check, since he came up to OUR table FIRST, he should have proceeded to the computer to get the check.

"Why is your time more important than any other customer's time?"

It's NOT, it's the SAME, meaning, the difference is OUR request came *BEFORE* their request because obviously, he went to take dishes before even greeting them, so I would think(which I didn't see when they were seated), they were seated AFTER we had asked for the check because he wouldn't have cared about dishes if he supposedly has to greet a table within 30 seconds.

Since OUR request was FIRST, the ONLY MORAL and RIGHT thing to do is to FULFILL that request, NOT to make the customers that were in the place LONG BEFORE these people were to wait LONGER for THEM, when WHY should they be MORE IMPORTANT than the customers that are wanting to leave, when that customer was in there WAY BEFORE they were in the BUILDING even.

When you are in a line, WHY is it NOT OK to take people in the back of the line? You know why, because the FIRST people GO FIRST. The first people were there the LONGEST. Same thing with requesting a check. HOW can you NOT see that? You think it's OK to let someone "CUT" basically at a restaurant, but not at a ticket booth or grocery line. The FIRST person in a line is NOT MORE IMPORTANT, it's that it's ONLY FAIR to NOT make the FIRST PERSON wait LONGER than the second and so on. SAME EXACT THING with a server and customers at a restaurant. So it's OK to you to buss a table or greet people that came in WAY THE HELL AFTER US as well as we requested something BEFORE they got greeted, BUT NOT to think of "OUR" FEELINGS according to you, when we requested something WAY BEFORE they did, because as I said, we saw him BUSS a table, so he had PLENTY of TIME to get our check BEFORE greeting the new table. That's just plain WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! WHY should the table that he greeted be MORE IMPORTANT than "OUR" time that we would have liked to be OUT of the restaurant considering we REQUESTED the check BEFORE he got dishes and bussed the table as well as greeted the new table? WHY is "THEIR" time MORE IMPORTANT than customers that want to LEAVE when they requested something BEFORE the greeting happened or even the bussing happened? WHY are dishes more important that customer's feelings and time, when we are watching the server work instead of giving us the check so we can pay and leave? I don't get that at ALL. If they've requested something, they should get it RIGHT AWAY UNLESS, as I said before, if someone's food or drink is ready to bring, then by ALL MEANS BRING the OTHER PEOPLE their food or drinks BEFORE getting our check, because they did REQUEST their food or drink WAY THE HELL BEFORE we requested the check. That's the ONLY FAIR WAY TO BE, to treat people somewhat like a line. NO, it's NOT a line, but my method would be SIMILAR to a line, which is HOW IT SHOULD BE! Sure, you can't just concentrate on one table like a line would, but you can still treat people with RESPECT that if they just requested something, GO IN ORDER at LEAST. Hand drinks out in order, like if the server got all 3 tables drinks let's say, have the COMMON DECENCY to give the FIRST table's drinks FIRST. That concept would like a LINE. That is what I mean by a LINE. The Outback waiter in my other posts handed a lady her drink at the SECOND table. That's WRONG. If a person doesn't treat people like that in a line, WHY in the HELL treat them like that in a non-fast food restaurant? HOW MEAN and COMPLETELY INCONSIDERATE is that? VERY, VERY, VERY, INCONSIDERATE.

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"Do you really care that the bartender handed something to another customer?"

YES, they don't get a tip or a VERY LOWERED one if they do get one. That's total DISRESPECT for the current customer's time. It's rather RUDE to take my order, but then decide to chat or throw a pack of matches to someone. That's making the CURRENT CUSTOMER WAIT LONGER and NOT thinking of "THEIR WAIT", ONLY the other customer's wait or the bartender his or herself. NO consideration for the customer's time, NONE, according to you that you think the customer's time is NOT IMPORTANT. I NEVER made people wait that were FIRST when I was at the donut shop, EVER, except the one time when I messed up because I didn't know who came in first and I got an earfull of "We were here first" told to me, which I DESERVED 100%. I didn't DESERVE a tip for that even though I didn't go to the other people first on purpose.

"Seriously, didn’t you just survive a hurricane?"

WHAT does this have to do with ANYTHING? Yes, I survived it, so, it has NOTHING to do with GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE or THINKING of the "CUSTOMER'S" TIME.

"What upsets you? Not getting the power trip over the bartender?"

HAS NOTHING to do with POWER, has EVERYTHING to do with FEELINGS. Thinking about when now it's "MY TURN" don't INTERRUPT IT, because I DID wait BEHIND someone at the bar to get "MY TURN", so be CONSIDERATE ENOUGH of a human being to serve me to it's ENTIRETY with NO INTERRUPTIONS unless as I said, some ordered food before me that was done, then I can see interrupting "MY TURN", but NEVER, EVER, EVER, for PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS or giving a pack of matches to someone, that's just things that can "WAIT" until AFTER the customer that WAITED to be served. It's SELFISH as HELL to just think of "JUST MY TIME" when you are serving PAYING CUSTOMERS or to just think of OTHER customers SIMULANTEOUSLY. You think of 1 customer at a time, NOT other people that ordered AFTER I just placed my order.

WHY do you think I should have to wait LONGER for someone to get a beer that came up to the bar and ordered AFTER I did, when I had JUST ordered a white russian for instance, which this has happened before? People don't think of OTHER customers in a line, they go by WHO'S FIRST is FIRST and WHO'S SECOND is SECOND. People don't worry about the fourth person in line, they finish the request of the FIRST person. Just like when a person is on hold, I have heard on recordings that "We are taking calls in the ORDER they come in." Meaning, the first person that called gets to go FIRST and the third person gets to go THIRD. That's THE WAY EVERYTHING should be as far as REQUEST go and by calling, that is a REQUEST to talk to someone on the phone while you are on hold.

"I have come to the conclusion that you were either neglected by your parents when you were little."

NO, QUITE the OPPOSITE. I had my mother that stayed HOME with me. So I had my parents attention, BOTH. My dad worked, but he came home EVERYDAY and wasn't away much.

"your husband doesn’t pay attention to you because he is cheating on you"

NO, he spends A LOT of time with me and comes IMMEDIATELY home after work 99% of the time. He does things on his computer or comes home later than me sometimes because of Katrina messing the roles his job is requiring him to do now, which is MORE work and MORE hours, just like a LOT of people in the hurricane hit areas.

"that you were the youngest or only child."

Sort of an only child. I have a half-sister from my father I've NEVER met. So, basically it was like I NEVER had a sibling. That doesn't mean that just because you grow up with no siblings that I am not a good person or that you are better than me because you probably have siblings.

"Lords, do you really think that servers and bartenders are never customers?"

I bet MOST people in this industry don't have NEARLY as much TIME as my husband and I do to go out to eat or to go to a bar. Do you know of a server that works full time that goes out to eat at a non-fast food place 2-3 times EVERY WEEKEND? I don't know too many because a LOT of servers WORK the weekends, so if they go out during the week, they have MUCH better service very possibly than having a packed restauant on a weekend. The LESS customers, the LESS WAIT. That's just COMMON SENSE. Also, I know when my sister-in-law worked at Chevy's fresh mex, they made her work lots of crazy hours like come in a few hours, go home, then go back a few hours and sometimes, she worked 7 or more days WITHOUT a day off, so that is where I am getting some information from. Servers usually have to work a lot of hours sometimes or the hours that are most bussiest like Friday and Saturday nights.
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"Since none was given on Lords part the bartender had every right to respond the same way!"

First off, there was NONE at ALL RESPECT given to ME, so WHY the hell should I be NICE to her, when she was DISRESPECTING my ORDER by making me wait for her to give something to a friend and chat? She was MEAN to me, so I was MEAN to her back. If she would have just MADE the drink, then there would have been a tip in the picture, I would have received my drink faster, the NEXT customers would have gotten served FASTER, and things would have been NICE and RESPECTABLE. That's the PERFECT SERVICE picture, NOT so she can DISRESPECT me as well as the people that were WAITING to order. She didn't realize she delayed them as well as me for "HER" SELFISH SELF.

You CAN'T expect respect if you don't give it. She DIDN'T give respect, so WHY should I take that CRAP? She got what *SHE* deserved which was something being told to her and NO TIP as she was NOT being a HARD WORKER at that moment fixing the order she just got.
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

"Seriously, didn’t you just survive a hurricane?"

WHAT does this have to do with ANYTHING? Yes, I survived it, so, it has NOTHING to do with GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE or THINKING of the "CUSTOMER'S" TIME.

Yeah again you are right and we all are wrong.

SOMEONE PLEASE SHUT HER UP! NOTE THE CAPS! YES I AM STOOPING TO HER LEVEL! I AM YELLING BECAUSE HER IGNORANCE OF LIFE IS KILLING ME!
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Does anyone wonder that maybe LORDS gets treated like crap because she treats people like crap? *lightbulb*

(Although, actually, of all of the scenarios she's presented I've never seen her treated badly. Maybe a server has occasionally misprioritized, but in general she hasn't gotten poor treatment. She just has ridiculous demands.)

I hope to God she's a Republican. If there are other Dems like her, the Blue Candidate will never get elected!
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Anyone else wonder if Lords's head would explode if she ever saw the kitchen in one of these restaurant where no one knows or cares which customer came in first? I was a line cook before I served and I bumped plenty of orders ahead of others for various reasons: get food out for the screaming kids first, rush an order for our best customers who come in on their lunch break, cook a solo meal to get it out of the way before starting the table of 15. Not to mention, with three separate server terminals feeding into one kitchen printer, who the hell could tell which tables ordered first. I bet she'd be one of the customers who'd complain that the table beside her (that was seated after her of course) was brought their meal first even though they ordered salads to her steak. man I hate those people. Lettuce is just plain faster than steak people!

PS: Lords, I've come to the realization in life as well as in my job that it's impossible to please everyone no matter how hard I try and it's not worth driving myself crazy over. I think most people reach this conclusion eventually. So perhaps you should do a little introspection to find out the reasons why no one seems to please you. it's ok to be picky, but you still have to realize that you're not the average customer, the server is noy psychic and might just need some time to adjust to your particular needs. Find a restaurant and a server that you like, be a little nicer and after a few visits you may find your extra condiments coming just as you like them, without being asked and your bill being presented promptly after you finish your meal.
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Lords you got upset because your waiter grabbed a couple dishes while he was going to get your check. I have been told many times to never ever leave my section with out something in my hand whether its a dirty dish or an empty glass. This saves time. If I had to keep going back and forth all the time then I wouldn't be able to bring you your different selections of drinks. Trust me. I believe this is the way it is with most places. If you have a problem with this then you need to talk to a manager or buisness owner. Don't penalize your server for company policies. That's unfair. If you don't like it than write a letter.
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“YES, they don't get a tip or a VERY LOWERED one if they do get one. That's total DISRESPECT for the current customer's time. It's rather RUDE to take my order, but then decide to chat or throw a pack of matches to someone.”

LMFAO….ok I think I missed the part about the bartender giving a customer matches. Lords, was the person who received the matches already drinking something? If so then you logic makes you wrong. The customer was there before you because that customer was already drinking something. So in your logic, that customer must come before you.

“ NO consideration for the customer's time, NONE, according to you that you think the customer's time is NOT IMPORTANT.”

Why are you trying to put words in my mouth? I have never once said that a customer’s time wasn’t important. I think one of your problems is that you think everyone is out to get you. Please don’t tell me how I feel about my customers. You are not inside my head. Thank God because I would have a headache.


"Seriously, didn’t you just survive a hurricane?"

”WHAT does this have to do with ANYTHING? Yes, I survived it, so, it has NOTHING to do with GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE or THINKING of the "CUSTOMER'S" TIME.”

I guess surviving a hurricane that destroyed 2 of my friend’s houses doesn’t mean anything to you. Post hurricane and you are still complaining over small things. I know you are going to go on about how your time is important. You are alive. Do something good with your time besides complain. That is what that has to do with all of this.

You also talk about how you “wait your turn”. Bartenders and servers do not make you form a line. You don’t wait in a check out line. You sit down and relax and wait for you food and/or drink. Try that. Don’t pay attention to anyone else except the company that you are with. You will feel much better.

"I have come to the conclusion that you were either neglected by your parents when you were little."

”NO, QUITE the OPPOSITE. I had my mother that stayed HOME with me. So I had my parents attention, BOTH. My dad worked, but he came home EVERYDAY and wasn't away much.”

I see. Well then obviously you are under the impression that you are always right, and that the world revolves around you because your mommy and daddy spent too much time doing everything for you. This is not a bad thing, but the way you have interoperated the way your parents treat you as everyone should treat you is a bad thing.

"your husband doesn’t pay attention to you because he is cheating on you"

”NO, he spends A LOT of time with me and comes IMMEDIATELY home after work 99% of the time. He does things on his computer or comes home later than me sometimes because of Katrina messing the roles his job is requiring him to do now, which is MORE work and MORE hours, just like a LOT of people in the hurricane hit areas.”

Ok maybe you don’t know this. There are a lot of people online that cheat on their spouse online. There are chat rooms, messengers, online dating services, and of course porn. Maybe you should check on his computer to see what he has been doing. Just because he comes home…….You even say he does a lot of things on his computer. I bet its cybering.

"Lords, do you really think that servers and bartenders are never customers?"

”I bet MOST people in this industry don't have NEARLY as much TIME as my husband and I do to go out to eat or to go to a bar. Do you know of a server that works full time that goes out to eat at a non-fast food place 2-3 times EVERY WEEKEND? I don't know too many because a LOT of servers WORK the weekends, so if they go out during the week, they have MUCH better service very possibly than having a packed restauant on a weekend. The LESS customers, the LESS WAIT. That's just COMMON SENSE. Also, I know when my sister-in-law worked at Chevy's fresh mex, they made her work lots of crazy hours like come in a few hours, go home, then go back a few hours and sometimes, she worked 7 or more days WITHOUT a day off, so that is where I am getting some information from. Servers usually have to work a lot of hours sometimes or the hours that are most bussiest like Friday and Saturday nights.”

Actually you are wrong. Most people in this industry do have just as much if not more time to go out and enjoy themselves as you do. We have a more flexible schedule. We also have the ability to go into work for 5 hours make $200 and come home. Some of us only work 3-4 nights per week. We still make the same if not more then if we would have a full time “sit on my ass office job”. So basically what you’re saying that “we simple service folk” are not customers. We are there to serve you and only you. We don’t have any time off. We don’t go shopping. We don’t eat out. We don’t get our shirts dry-cleaned. Ok then my entire past week was a hallucination.
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Lords, you'd be surprised at how often people in the industry go out. I've eaten more in restaurants since I started working in one than I think I have in my entire life. When I get off work, the grocery store is closed and I don't feel like cooking, so I go out. When it's normal meal time, servers are working. Therefore when you're starving at the end of your shift, it's just easier to go out than to worry about cooking. There's a restaurant down the street from mine where most of us go after work to eat and hang out. We call ahead so that there's food ready when we show up. We're such frequent patrons that the bartender actually called me at home once, worried because he hadn't seen me in more than a week. For the amount you and your husband dine out, you could probably be receiving this kind of service too, you just need to develope a better relationship with the employees of the places you visit.
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Um, Lords? If as soon as a table was seated, they asked out loud to be greeted, would it then be okay if the server talked to them before getting you your check?

Maybe we should start a new policy. When you are seated in a restaurant, if would like to be greeted within the standard one minute time frame, make sure you speak up and let your server know it. Even if they're across the room... just yell it out. But if you stay quiet, prepare to wait a good 5 or 10 minutes to get greeted, because, we're sorry, but Lords needs her 17th Pepsi refill and the check. Sorry.

Seriously woman. Are you a brain surgeon or something? How important are you that waiting 1 extra minute (which, if you ever listened to anything anyone ever said then you would know, is within the STANDARD 2 minute time frame to bring someone their check) is not acceptable? Do you have a patient prepped and waiting on the table?

Didn't think so.

Get over yourself.
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Thank God that the world only revolves around you!

At the restaurant that I work at Lords would've had a heart attack on Thursday!

Just started great lunch specials... we were so busy it was incredible! I'm the only server... one cook... $4.99 lunch specials and we did over $700 in an hour and a half. The nondougnut shop people know what that means... busted ass! Everyone left happy and left GREAT tips! Didn't complain they were first, didn't care who got their food first, didn't care that it took me a few minutes not only to get their drinks and salads and refills. Just enjoyed getting great service, great food, and cheap too! Our longest ticket time was 15 minutes on a 9 top. That waited patiently while after I took thier order I table hopped and got a 2 top, 3 top, and 1 tops order also!

At the register the owner asked how everything was and she ALWAYS askes about the service too... because she knows I'm going to ask her after my shift what the feedback was... and trust me she is blunt and will tell me! NO COMPLAINTS! ALL COMPLIMENTS AT HOW HARD I WAS WORKING! HOW GREAT THE FOOD WAS! Guess what? Same crowd back again today!

Never working at a dougnut shop myself, I guess I am uneducated about how the real people in this world function...

However waiting tables for 25 years and growing up with a Mother as a bartender and waitress sure helped me out the last couple of days!

As for eating out and being a customer... I don't work nights too much anymore... so my nights are free to go out and eat anytime I want. I prefer to cook at home... BUT if I go out to eat I go out to enjoy! Not with a stop watch, not with an attitude, not with any expectations! I enjoy the company of friends and my boyfriend. First statement out of my mouth is... "please take your time!" Especially if it is a busy night! I always order off the menu... because I go to places where I know they have what I like and if they don't have it exactly how I like it I find something else on the menu that I will enjoy! If I am out with friends and I know we will be taking up time in someones section... the restaurants that we go to always treat us with respect and KNOW that we will always leave 20-50% and an extra $5 each on the table. Why not? Guess that's why we ALWAYS get treated with respect???? Because we give it from the time we walk in the door! What a concept! Not just the money they KNOW they will make off us but because we are not demanding and rude!!! And if Lords was seated at a table next to us... with her nasty attitude and it's all about me crap... the server would probably be even more appreciative of us and she or he would make more money because we would make up for the nontipping or lowtipping table...
because IT'S NOT FAIR, UNCARING.... BLAH BLAH BLAH... so because of her selfish rude attitude that server would not be punished but well paid for the entertainment of having to put up with Lords!

On the upside... supposed to be a bad hurricane season again... not saying this because I lost big in the last one also! I don't wish harm on innocent people! But Lords being evil and spewing people deserve lungcancer etc... MAYBE THIS TIME KARMA WILL GET HER!
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Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Too funny not to repeat.......


“YES, they don't get a tip or a VERY LOWERED one if they do get one. That's total DISRESPECT for the current customer's time. It's rather RUDE to take my order, but then decide to chat or throw a pack of matches to someone.”



let's imagine that you have a demanding rude impossible to please doughnut shop worker in front of you.. KNOWING that they will not leave you anything because she has already stated that in her post... and can't do math and thinks that we are all her slaves... Gee, I'm worried about that 50 cents aren't all of you? Please let "Joe" come in and watch how I hop skip over lords and jump to make sure he has what he needs over this uncaring evil C word!

Nope don't care about what you have to leave me because I am mean and only care about myself! It's all about me and my money! And taking care of the people that have manners and treat me with respect. I am so uncarring about my customers that I do "random acts of pizza" I take MY time, MY gas, MY money out of my pockect to pay for the pizza because I know that KARMA will put it back in MY pocket! And I buy pizza's from the restaurant that I work at and randomly drop them off. I take them to places that have been in before and places that have never been at our restaurant before...

WHY? because I unlike you don't know how the public works... You are so enlightened! I really need to work in a doughnut shop so that I can be more like you! I just don't know how I am going to go from making $20 plus an hour to making $6.00..... Your life is so much better than mine because you know so much more than I do! How do I take my experience and get a job that will teach me what you know?

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coorslite, I as you have been accused of being a lousy bartender, mean uncaring and selfish. On Friday night I managed to average $36.00 an hour and Thursday night I averaged $29.00 an hour. As usual lords is wrong, somebody seems to think I am pretty decent at what I do.
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Tricky
"She just has ridiculous demands."

NO, I don't, I have complicated orders that are NOT ridiculous.

minerva05
"get food out for the screaming kids first."

That's pretty PREJUDICE of you. Also, HOW do you like it when someone does that to "YOU" when you are waiting for something or in a hurry, like in drive-thru or you are on your way to work? I think MOST people it WOULD bother them to know that someone else's order that came in AFTER they did gets(let's say the same EXACT food was order) their food BEFORE them. Is that really FAIR? NO, it's NOT and it's really not very nice at ALL. WHY are kids meals MORE IMPORTANT than adults according to you?

"rush an order for our best customers who come in on their lunch break."

PREJUDICE! WHY, just because they are a REGULAR customer they get their food BEFORE someone else that ordered WAY before they did and it's the same food cooked the SAME EXACT WAY let's say? That's SO MEAN and VERY INCONSIDERATE of ALL those OTHER PEOPLE that are patiently WAITING LONGER because of "YOU" for their food. You seem VERY MEAN to do these things to INNOCENT customers.

"cook a solo meal to get it out of the way before starting the table of 15."

I can SORT OF see this one and SORT of NOT. The solo meal person would be waiting 30 minutes or MORE for their food where as at the same time, the table of 15 has a LONGER wait, which if the table of 15 ordered BEFORE the solo order, it really isn't fair to the table of 15. I can see making food for the solo order first for the most part, because that person would have a MUCH LONGER wait than the 15 party table for just an extra entree.

"I bet she'd be one of the customers who'd complain that the table beside her (that was seated after her of course) was brought their meal first even though they ordered salads to her steak. man I hate those people."

I'm NOT, I am a person that KNOWS that for instance RIBS take LONGER to cook than a pasta dish that is alfredo with no meat for instance. I am a person that is bothered with things like, let's say my server got our appertizer order which would be mozzarella sticks and the table that would come in AFTER us gets to order and they happen to order the SAME EXACT thing, but the server(this is a hypotethical situation) decides to give the table that came in AFTER us their cheese sticks instead of ours before theirs. Things like that hypotethical situation. Like handing out the drinks like the situation at Outback with the waiter that handed the second table one of theirs before ours and he took our order BEFORE they order theirs. Those type of things are the things I get mad over.

"Find a restaurant and a server that you like, be a little nicer and after a few visits you may find your extra condiments coming just as you like them, without being asked and your bill being presented promptly after you finish your meal."

I have had situations at the pool hall that I previously mentioned about when we were regulars years ago where the bartender knew me so well, the moment(unless she was with another customer) I'd walk through the door she started to make my white russian, because I always ordered that drink first. I miss her, but she got pregnant and moved away. I use to talk to her sometimes. They knew us because we'd go their almost every weekend or so. She actually CARED about her customers. She NEVER once pissed me off, EVER and she served me LOTS of times. One time, she finished her shift before we left to pay the tab and I noticed she was still their playing video poker, I handed her a $5 for her tip because I had 3 drinks most of the times I went and my husband would get a beer and a root beer most of the time. I made sure she was paid and NOT the person that was on duty that just came on a little before she started because she was ALWAYS good to us. My point is that I did and still do have some people that know us, but not as many anymore since Katrina because of the lack of regular restaurant hours and the lack of employees makes some restaurants NOT open. For instance, the Chili's in our area is STILL not open and an Applebee's not to far from our house is STILL closed. The bolling alley is still closed. The bartender at the bolling alley knew us a lot, but sometimes her service was good and sometimes it wasn't. We knew the waitress at TGIFriday's when TGIFriday's was still in Louisiana and we asked for HER, EVERYTIME we'd go there. She gave us VERY GOOD service.

"you just need to develope a better relationship with the employees of the places you visit."

At the bolling alley for instance, we didn't go for a long time and then went to get a drink(pre-Katrina) and she said "Hello stranger" and asked us where we've been and the other times we didn't go she asked us where we've been and at the time we were going to football games on Sunday at noon, so we didn't stay out til 2a.m. since we knew we were having to get up earlier at that time. This DOESN'T make her treat us well. I've tipped pretty well, not overly well, but well. Like a buck a drink, so that was $3 for 2 white russians at $4.50 and 1 margarita at $3.50. If I'd get 2 drinks like 1 margarita and a white russian, she'd get $2, sometimes $2.25. Sometimes though, she didn't give good service. One time, someone at the bar had a female condom, she stopped making my drink to look and talk about 10 seconds to see what was going on. She got nothing that time. Another time, she was restocking beers, she saw me, but continued to stock them instead of doing it right after, she got nothing for that. Another time, she knew I was there, but went to straighten up a chair and talked for a few seconds then came up to me, she got nothing. So, just because she knew us and like us doesn't mean the bartender or server will serve the customer in a CONSIDERATE way EVERYTIME. The times she did, she got the tip she deserved, which was well over 20% most of the time. Like a buck for a $3.50 drink. I could have just gave her $0.70 or less, because $0.70 would have been 20%, but I gave a buck. So, I did tip pretty well, not overly generous because as I said before, she would do these things anyway. Even if I would tip her a $5 for a drink, she'd still do that. It's NOT going to change the person's personality or to make them CARE more. That is the TRUTH. I be willing to bet, even if I would tip her better if the bolling alley ever opens again and she would go back to work there, that if I gave her a better tip like a $5 for a drink, she would make me have to wait for her to finish chatting or restocking because that is the way she serves sometimes. Giving more money isn't going to help unless it's like $20, which I don't have that type of money to give for service, that's just insane and most people don't give a $20 tip for one drink. It's still may not help because people are going to do what they want to, because they KNOW I would tip anyway if I would give them $5 or $20 for one drink, so it may make the service worse or about the same.

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"I have been told many times to never ever leave my section with out something in my hand whether its a dirty dish or an empty glass. This saves time."

It saves time for OTHER CUSTOMERS and YOURSELF, but NOT for the poor table waiting LONGER for the thing they just requested. Think about it, we didn't call the waiter over at Applebee's, HE came to us to asks if we wanted anything else and we told him we wanted the check, which happen to be CLOSER than the table with the dishes to the computer. He didn't HAVE to get those dishes and buss the table as well as greeted the next table BEFORE getting our check, he could have just went to get the check, left the dishes ALONE and went to greet the new table as well as gone to get their drinks. Then he could have rung up our bill. It saved time for "HIM" and it saved time for the NEW customers. Well WHAT ABOUT US, the OLDER CUSTOMERS that wanted to LEAVE? What about OUR requests we just gave? WHY make US wait LONGER so we can watch the waiter work? When people asks for the check, they want to LEAVE usually. It's NOT like we called him over as he was getting ready to do something else, he, of his OWN FREE WILL, came to asks if we wanted anything else. WHAT GOOD did it do to ASKS us then, if we had to wait longer for all that, that we would have waited just as long if he would have choosen NOT to go to our table and instead buss the table, picked up the dishes, and greet the new table BEFORE even checking on us. It wouldn't have helped ANY to asks us AFTER he had done all those things considering he "SAT" on our requests to do other things. The table he bussed was further from the computer and across from the table he greeted, so he didn't walk further to get our check, he walked FURTHER to buss the table and greet the new table.

spaz0matic
"If so then you logic makes you wrong."

NO, because it goes by "REQUESTS", not by if they got there before me, by REQUESTS, otherwise, in a restaurant, you'd only serve one table at a time, so it's by REQUESTS. So, I just ordered a drink and AFTER that person asked for some matches. If I would have been the bartender, I would have said "In one moment." THAT is the RIGHT THING TO DO. To go in ORDER that REQUESTS come in. I ordered BEFORE he ordered his matches.

You said: "Do you really care that the bartender handed something to another customer? Seriously, didn’t you just survive a hurricane?"

I said :"NO consideration for the customer's time, NONE, according to you that you think the customer's time is NOT IMPORTANT."

"I have never once said that a customer’s time wasn’t important."

That is the way you are reacting by saying "Seriously." Like telling me that it shouldn't matter that someone hands something to someone else taking up the current customer's time for SELFISH reasons. If she wasn't ready to take my order, WHY in the HELL did she? That is what I am getting at. Sure, in the grand scheme of things, it's really not important, but it does HURT my feelings when people act like "MY" time isn't as IMPORTANT as "THEIRS." WHY make me wait LONGER, when I had just ordered over giving an item to a friend and chatting? It's NOT going to get them a tip, that's FOR SURE. It's VERY disrespectful. When I worked at the donut shop, I talked quite a lot to people as I got to know the regulars, but when a customer came in, I said to them "Hold that thought" and basically INTERRUPTED the converstation for "THE CUSTOMER." Even if it was drive-thru that 99% of the time, never tipped, I took my job seriously and CARED about the customer's time that I served. Do you think I wanted to risks being yelled at like I did when I went to the wrong customers first, by the lady telling me "WE WERE FIRST?" The things I thought of when I served people were things like how "I'D" feel if that was me in the customer's position. I didn't make personal conversation MORE IMPORTANT than customers. That's just plain RUDE and very INCONSIDERATE.

"I guess surviving a hurricane that destroyed 2 of my friend’s houses doesn’t mean anything to you."

Sorry to hear that. My mother-in-law and father-inlaw's house got destroyed too. The difference is, since ours WASN'T destroyed, our lives are almost back to normal for the most part. I have a different job, my husband is doing different things at his job now, and restaurants are closed and opening limited hours with limited menus STILL. Some fast food places aren't even open that use to be before the storm.

"Do something good with your time besides complain."

I honestly don't care to complain and I don't know anyone that does, but it's hard to not be pissed off at people when they are so inconsiderate. Like one time a lady in a parking garage just got her change,which I was behind her, but she kept talking. I didn't honk at first because I thought it was something important, but then she kept sitting there and there were 2 other vehicles behind me,then I honked. That's when she finally moved. I feel, the NERVE of that person to hold me as well as the people behind me up so she could just chat. People are so INCONSIDERATE of OTHERS in this world. I wish people would just be NICE. Like in a parking lot, I go back into my space if I see someone coming, MOST people make the person STOP for them even though they don't want to space, making the person that had to stop for them wait LONGER to leave the store parking lot. There's also people that stop in the middle of an aisle in a parking lot to wait to get a space when people are in the back of me and I have no way out, but to sit there for "THEIR" selfish space. I DON'T do these type of SELFISH things to hold up OTHERS. I try to think of OTHERS in this world.

So when it comes to restaurants, I expect the server to APOLOGIZE for a mistake out of COMMON DECENCY. I expect not to have to wait 10 or more minutes for my check. To be considerate enough to check back with our table BEFORE that length of time. Things like that you know. I DON'T want to complain, but I can't help it when things make me mad like waiting 10 minutes to leave a restaurant. That's just RIDICULOUS that the server didn't have the DECENCY to check back with us to ring up the bill. Like quite a few times, we've had to go get OTHER servers to get OUR server so we could leave and we waited like 10 minutes for our bill to be rung up, that's RIDICULOUS. That's the LAST step and the server doesn't have the DECENCY to check back with us in a WHOLE 10 minutes considering the server handed us the check, they should KNOW to come and ring it up within 5 minutes at LEAST. It's like the server doesn't give a care about "OUR" time to make us wait 10 minutes. That's what it conveys to me and makes me very pissed. We didn't go back to a restaurant because there had been to many times where we've had bad service and the last time, we waited 10 minutes and had to get another server to come and ring our bill up. She got ZERO tip needless to say for making us wait SO DAMN LONG. My husband was pretty pissed that time and so was I. That place is now gutted because of Katrina, because it flooded.

"Bartenders and servers do not make you form a line."

You aren't in a "LINE" when you wait for a table, but it goes in order as far as smoking preference, NOT counting call ahead seating. If I get there and say "2 non-smoking" and the next person comes in, we aren't in a LINE, it just goes by the order we told the hostess.

So, it doesn't have to be literally a LINE, to have consideration for people that waited LONGER. The bartender or server can be considerate enough not to make them wait longer if they requested something BEFORE someone else.

"that you are always right"

NO, that's NOT true at ALL. I have been wrong lots of times and have made MANY mistakes when I worked at the donut shop and in my other jobs as well. I'm NOT perfect, NOBODY in this world is.

"There are a lot of people online that cheat on their spouse online. There are chat rooms, messengers, online dating services, and of course porn. Maybe you should check on his computer to see what he has been doing. Just because he comes home.You even say he does a lot of things on his computer. I bet its cybering."

NO, he looks at porn sometimes and other discussion boards of what he's interested in. He is NOT "cybering." I come in many times and pass by MANY of times, I can see what he's doing. As far as you listing porn, almost EVERY MAN I know looks at porn, so that is NOT unusual at all. One of my x-boyfriend did, my husband, etc. That is NORMAL for a man to want to look at that stuff.

servethis
"Um, Lords? If as soon as a table was seated, they asked out loud to be greeted, would it then be okay if the server talked to them before getting you your check?"

ONLY if the waiter wouldn't have came to our table FIRST. If the waiter did, then NO, it wouldn't be ok.

"How important are you that waiting 1 extra minute?"

Think about when it's "YOU" that's waiting to leave. Also, if you have that attitude, then the tip will reflect your NON-CARING of "OUR" time. So, don't expect to get 20% for going to pick up dishes and greeting people when we requested the check before those people and we should DEFINATELY matter MORE than freakin dirty dishes and a dirty table that LITERALLY can be cleaned AFTER we have LEFT or AFTER we are filling out the credit card receipt, NOT to take up the "CUSTOMER'S" time. Don't you get that? Even my mother agrees with when you asks for the check that the server should just go to get it if they don't have any other requests BEFORE that. She even said, which is TRUE, some people may have something to go to after and the "SERVER" is DELAYING them from going, like to a movie.

http://www.complaints.com/january2003/complaintoftheday.january6.1.htm

I don't agree with this lady's complaint about 30 minutes for food. I've had that length of time LOTS of times and is pretty NORMAL. I do agree with the 10 minute wait to order, that is pretty LONG. I don't agree with her griping about the length of time waiting for the table, that's NOT the staff's fault more than likely. The reason why I say that is because we don't really know if customers were waiting 10-15 minutes for their checks to leave and that COULD have been a REAL REASON that she waiting longer than an hour to be seated.

I also really don't agree with her asking to reduce the price, because I don't think she should have a reduced price and I think it was just STUPID of HER to go to a restaurant at PRIME TIME where LONG WAITS for a table are COMMON and buy tickets for a movie. Personally, if I had already bought the tickets, I would either go sit at the bar or go SOMEWHERE ELSE. It was "HER" fault for going that LATE. I HATE people like that, that want to BLAME the restaurant for their LATENESS, when she went too late. When a person makes plans, they should leave PLENTY of TIME for different situations that may come up like traffic jams.

I can't believe people want stuff for free when they PROCRASTINATED by leaving LATE, so if they didn't finish their meal, they COULD HAVE decided to FINISH their meal and NOT go to the movie. Personally, I would have rathered FINISH my food that I paid for. They SHOULDN'T receive a DAMN THING for free. Waiting the 10 minutes to order, would definately make a close to zero tip though, but NOT deservable of a FREEBIE.

The point is, people want to go places AFTER they eat and if the server waits to get their check, they are LATER getting to whereever they are headed next, whether it's just back home or a movie or whatever. Think of the CUSTOMER'S TIME, NOT the dishes that CAN be done AFTER they are paying or have left. HONESTLY, they don't have to sit there LONGER. Making customers wait LONGER to leave pisses people off and makes the tips NOT as high as they would be. I have left LESS tips when I see the server make bussing a table MORE IMPORTANT than the customer's feelings and time. That table CAN WAIT, it CAN. The customer's SHOULDN'T have to WAIT, they SHOULDN'T if the server wants a great tip, they should think about the LONGER WAIT they are making the customer GO THROUGH. Even my mother agrees 100% that when you are ready to leave, you are READY to LEAVE. I can see if someone's food or drink is ready that ordered BEFORE me to serve, but NOT to grab dishes and buss a table, NEVER, can I understand making a customer wait for that, EVER. I'm ready to leave, so WHY NOT just get the check so I can look at the bill and put my credit card or cash to be rung up so I can LEAVE. The MORE tables, the MORE tips possibly, so WHY NOT think of the server's tips? The server can make better tips not making them wait LONGER for the check and the check being rung up as well as the MORE people the server serves, the MORE possiblity for MORE tips, so WHY in the HELL WORRY about bussing a table and dirty dishes when the server can make more money?

My point of this is that people want to go when they asks for their check. They DON'T want to wait a LONG TIME or even 5 minutes, they want to leave THEN MOST of the time.

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http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf487219.tip.html#feedback

"RE: Waiter and Waitress Tips and Advice
Post by singleangel (11) 2006-01-15
My family and I eat at a lot of restaurants and the one thing I hate is when we are done with the meal, the kids are becoming restless, everyone wants to get home and get prepared for the next day and our server has disappeared before delivering the check or before collecting payment. We are left sitting there waiting to pay and go! Makes me want to strike $1 for every minute we have to sit there waiting to leave!"

See, there's someone out there that agrees with wanting the check as SOON AS POSSIBLE.
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Lords - From your same cited site is this post:

Never leave or enter the room empty handed.

You need to make every step count. Grab the water jug, coffee pot.

Any comments?
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jysi
"Any comments?"

That is THEIR opinion because they are LAZY and care about ALL the customers at ONCE, NOT EACH INDIVIDUAL that is WAITING THAT MUCH LONGER for their stuff they just requested, whether it's the check or a refill or a dessert or whatever. Singleangel KNOWS how that feels and agrees with ME.

There are things I don't agree with on this site. The person I quoted you had NO opinion about. So WHY is that? Is it because YOU KNOW I'm right that people want to LEAVE when they asks for the check and NOT want to hang around when they are ready to go MOST of the time, especially a family. I can see people that are out drinking and eating that may not care if they leave right away because they are feeling good from the alcohol and chatting, but a family usually doesn't want to stick around at the restaurant LONGER than they have to. That's why you didn't comment about it, because you know I'm RIGHT! If you grabbed everything along the way, you are making people wait that much LONGER for their requests than NECESSARY. So, if singleangel just requested her check, she shouldn't have to wait for the server to pick up dishes from the table across from her and have to bring them to the kitchen and then finally go to the computer. That's wasting singeangel's family's time. That's pretty SELFISH and MEAN to do that. I don't blame her by saying she wants to take every dollar away every minute because I KNOW HOW IT FEELS to WAIT LONGER for my check and for my check to get rung up. Who knows, maybe people that are chatting and are drinking may want to leave as soon as possible because they may have other plans like going to a movie. So, the best thing to do is to NOT make people wait longer for their requests and FORGET about the dishes until the server is COMPLETELY FINISHED with their request. So, if the server for instance, even just grabs an empty glass, which is one second, that's still delaying the customers from leaving if they asked BEFORE the server grabbed the glass to get the check. They shouldn't have to wait an extra second to grab a glass, that's INCONSIDERATE of the customer's feelings. The glass will STILL BE THERE AFTER the server delivers the check or the rung up check. So, WHY take up customer's time for things that can LITERALLY WAIT? That's INCONSIDERATE of people that want to LEAVE. Even singleangle seems to feel that way, otherwise she wouldn't have said every minute that they have to sit there waiting to leave.

My name is Springs1 on that site. You can read some of the comments I disagreed with.
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Wait one cotton picking minute!!!! You of all people have no problem with a bartender making your white russian when you walk through the door? The same person who wants to make their own decision about a beverage? Isnt that awful lazy of the bartender that just *ASSUMES* that you will be drinking that? You who has been on many of tirades about a server just bringing a drink?
Isnt cooking a solo meal prejudice to the large party?
As far as a server acting like your time isnt important, I dont think that is it. If you have time to sit at a bar and drink or play pool.Go out to dinner and order appetizers a reasonable person might think you are not in a big hurry. The servers are not thinking hey watch this I'm gonna hurt her feelings. Lets make her uncomfortable by doing other things on my way to the computer.
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Because we want you to be unhappy! We want our managers and owners to give you free food for no reason! We want your complaining nontipping ass to dock up for every second you wait! We all do this for a reason!!!!!!!!!We all want to make min. wage so that we can find some way to make YOU get your condiments! And now you are talking about a few seconds... yet you take away from the tip by the time you are seated? Yep if we all thought like you... BTW watching a hurricane Katrina special on tv... God how do you live with yourself? You are anal and have NO moral upbringing! Yes please tell your mother she did not do her job as a parent! Consideration of others, manners, respect, those are things that should be taught from day 1. We are MEAN SELFISH INCONSIDERATE get a grip get a life get some tartar ranch learn how to cook and stop screwing with us!

You are a customer. PLEASE GO TO THE DRIVE THREW! HOPE THE NEXT TIME YOU EAT AT A CHAIN RESTAURANT YOU SIT NEXT TO 14000000 KIDS WANTING FOOD!AND WHEN THEY DON'T GET THEIR FOOD FIRST I HOPE YOU LOOK OVER AND REALIZE THAT YOU ACT THE SAME WAY! I WAS HERE FIRST AND I NEED NEED NEED... I DON'T CARE! YOU ARE SELFISH BY BRINGING THEM THIER FOOD!
Tired of banging my head against the wall of lords!
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Lords, wouldn't you appreciate it if a server had the thoughtfulness to bring a fussy child their food as soon as possible to that they they would quiet down and you and your husband sitting at the next table could enjoy your evening more. And it's not like an order of chicken fingers makes anyone else meal anymore than 30 secs. slower.

Also, many restaurants depend on their regular customers to keep their business alive during the slower periods. This is business, not kindergarten, deal. I completely agree with you. It's not fair. But life is not fair and never will be. If that were possible, true communism would actually work. We live in a capitalist society, money rules and no amount of complaining on your part will do anything about that.

I love the internet! Only here do you get a completely new personality. Lords, you are one of the very few people (I could count on one hand) who've ever refered to me as anything other than nice and sweet. I love it. :-) Hope you're having a great weekend and maybe were able to cut some hard-working people some slack when you went out for dinner.

One last thing about bussing tables. I know Lords would like every table to remain dirty until there are absolutely no more customers left to help (cause that happens), but does anyone else absolutely hate having to look at a dirty table while you're eating in a restaurant. Maybe it's just my obsessive cleaninliness, but it really turns me off my meal.
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”NO, because it goes by "REQUESTS", not by if they got there before me, by REQUESTS, otherwise, in a restaurant, you'd only serve one table at a time, so it's by REQUESTS. So, I just ordered a drink and AFTER that person asked for some matches. If I would have been the bartender, I would have said "In one moment." THAT is the RIGHT THING TO DO. To go in ORDER that REQUESTS come in. I ordered BEFORE he ordered his matches. “

You have just said it yourself…..in a restaurant you serve more then one table at a time. You don’t know who makes what request in what order. You couldn’t possibly know who requested what unless you are not paying attention to who you are dining with.

I said :"NO consideration for the customer's time, NONE, according to you that you think the customer's time is NOT IMPORTANT."

Again please show me where I have said once that a customer’s time is not important.

”That is the way you are reacting by saying "Seriously." Like telling me that it shouldn't matter that someone hands something to someone else taking up the current customer's time for SELFISH reasons. If she wasn't ready to take my order, WHY in the HELL did she? That is what I am getting at. Sure, in the grand scheme of things, it's really not important, but it does HURT my feelings when people act like "MY" time isn't as IMPORTANT as "THEIRS”

I am saying “Seriously to you. It shouldn’t matter if someone quickly hands another customer something before they make your drink. I have gone to check on a table, the table asks me for another drink, on the way to get the drink I hand another table their check. Do you have a problem with this? And yes, it is the same type of situation.

”So when it comes to restaurants, I expect the server to APOLOGIZE for a mistake out of COMMON DECENCY. I expect not to have to wait 10 or more minutes for my check. To be considerate enough to check back with our table BEFORE that length of time. Things like that you know. “

Where I work, our management has a policy that states we are not to apologize, just fix the problem. We are to get a manager right away for any complaint or problem what so ever. Guess what? The management doesn’t apologize either. The logic on this is that they don’t want people to dwell on a problem. They want the problem corrected. Making this plea for forgiveness that you expect will only make a customer think about the problem instead of knowing that it is being taken care of.

”You aren't in a "LINE" when you wait for a table, but it goes in order as far as smoking preference, NOT counting call ahead seating. If I get there and say "2 non-smoking" and the next person comes in, we aren't in a LINE, it just goes by the order we told the hostess.”

Thank you yoda for explaing to me what hostesses do. I am a waiter. Where I work we have 3 table sections. I am not going to only wait on one at a time. I am waiting on all 3.

”So, it doesn't have to be literally a LINE, to have consideration for people that waited LONGER. The bartender or server can be considerate enough not to make them wait longer if they requested something BEFORE someone else. “

Again you don’t know who requested what first if you are a guest in a restaurant. Thank you.

”NO, he looks at porn sometimes and other discussion boards of what he's interested in. He is NOT "cybering." I come in many times and pass by MANY of times, I can see what he's doing. As far as you listing porn, almost EVERY MAN I know looks at porn, so that is NOT unusual at all. One of my x-boyfriend did, my husband, etc. That is NORMAL for a man to want to look at that stuff.”

LMAO. Guess what? I am a man. Thank you for educating me on my gender. Do you open the windows that are lowered at the bottom of the screen? Do you check his email? Do you check his history? You don’t know what he is doing at all times. Get over yourself.
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jammie she sucks at life! BUT ALL MEN LOOK AT PORN! AT LEAST THE MEN SHE IS WITH! I hate to yell like that! My man is checking sports! And at anytime I can check his "history" no all men don't do that, and if my man did that he would invite me to watch it with him! And with her perfect life and figure why would he want to look at porn?
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Lords you are a screaming, freaking moron. Nobody knows you're right because you're never right. You've had so many servers tell you "how it is" but you just won't listen to anything but the obsessive compulsive voices in your head. The very idea of your existence in this world sends shivers up my spine.

You are a worthless piece of trash and you know that, so you want servers to bend over and kiss your butt because YOU'LL PAY FOR IT. If they don't kiss your butt you treat them badly. Some part of you knows that you need to pay people to pay attention to you.

As somebody else here says, life's gonna suck when you grow up. Any adult that whines and complains like you do about a second a person takes to pass a book of matches or any other perceived "slight" is seriously disturbed in the head.

You are a needy, obsessive compulsive, stupid, ingnorant person.

And you really need to learn the English language and spelling. The word is ask, not asks, i.e., "I asks".

You are pure trash.
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coors...that's it too. i am not looking at porn i am reading this message board and my other window has my yahoo where i am uploading new pics of my kids for my mother to see.

When I do look at porn (rarely) my wife looks with me.
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Imagine being married to a psychotic, petulant, raving maniac of a wife and ask yourself why the poor man has to look at porn. I'm willing to bet he's cybering too, just to get away from Lords of Ass. That poor man.
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"I have been told many times to never ever leave my section with out something in my hand whether its a dirty dish or an empty glass. This saves time."

You will benefit from this. If I can grab an extra glass from your table while im taking a bill up then I won't have to remove it later to make another trip and waste more of your time. I am overall saving you time.

The person I quoted you had NO opinion about. So WHY is that?
Whats wrong with his opinion? Jysi and I know how it is. You don't so just listen to us.
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lords twittered: "I'm NOT, I am a person that KNOWS that for instance RIBS take LONGER to cook than a pasta dish that is alfredo with no meat for instance".

I'll bet you think that they cook the ribs from scratch for each order just as you would if you were at home and were actually able to cook (which we all know you can't).

"Pasta that is alfredo". What a hoot.
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Jamie
"3) Drink refills -keep up on them, bring it before they ask if you can."

I don't agree with this. The CUSTOMER is suppose to be able to order for THEMSELVES. Let the customer either tell the server or the server asks, but NEVER bring something to a table that was NEVER ordered. One time I wanted to switch from dr. pepper to coke at Red Lobster, the stupid waiter comes with a dr. pepper refill I NEVER ordered. He got docked points OFF his tip for ASSUMING what I wanted. I HATE when people assume what I want. Some people may not even want anymore drink. Let customers order for THEMSELVES like it's suppose to be.

"Upsell"

As long as it's not pushy. I didn't like it when a waitress one time said "Come on, don't you want the whole rack of ribs instead of the half of rack." If a customer says no once, that's it, leave the subject alone or you WILL aggrevate them.

"Know your menu frontwards and backwards and drinks, salad dressings, # of wings in a lg order vs. a small etc"

I agree VERY MUCH SO. I have had a food runner bring chicken tenders without the bar-b-que sauce it had on the MENU. That's just dumb that the customer knows the menu better than the employee. One time the menu stated above items in that section that "All entrees come with fries." Well, this dish "Crawfish Ettoufee" which normally a person wouldn't see with fries, but since the menu said it did, the waiter looked at me like I didn't know what I was talking about when he brought it out to me WITHOUT the fries. I was thinking to myself, "WHAT AN IDIOT." He works there and I, the customer, knew more about the menu than he did.

Jenn
"3. Do it before they ask. Have the check before they ask."
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Taryn
"(Have their check ready BEFORE they ask./quote)

No, either ASK the customer or let the customer tell the server, NEVER, EVER ASSUME they are done. One time my husband and I got the check before we were even asked if we wanted a dessert, which we did want one. Also, on many occasions, my mother was dining with me and we ordered something to go for my dad. So, even if we were finished, that doesn't mean we wanted to have the check just yet. I say ALWAYS ASK FIRST, because, honestly, NO ONE KNOWS but the CUSTOMERS THEMSELVES.

One time I ordered ranch dressing with mozzarella cheese sticks. The menu stated it came with marinara sauce. The STUPID waitress ASSUMED I didn't want the marinara when I NEVER said I didn't want it. If there are ANY doubts, ASK. I like BOTH sauces to dip the cheese sticks in. If the person says they want a side of ranch, SO WHAT if they don't use the marinara, it's not going to affect the meal if it is on the side anyway. NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING!

emain
"People will usually forget about the mistake if you admit to it. "

It depends how BIG the mistake is. Is it just a side of mayonnaise that's forgotten or is it the customer's WHOLE entree that's wrong? I don't think ANYONE forgets about an entree that is completely wrong.

Suzanne S.
"Never argue with a customer even if they are clearly wrong. "

You couldn't be more RIGHT. Ok, so my order is wrong, WHY BOTHER ARGUING who's right or wrong, just FIX the problem? It also makes the restaurant look bad and VERY UNPROFESSIONAL.

darween
"(Offer straws, napkins, & ashtrays without the customer having to ask for them./quote)

I say instead of offering, just put them on the table. I usually LOVE when a server gives me a lot of napkins, because I am messy sometimes. NO ASHTRAYS, unless it's a smoking section. I don't want ashtrays on my table, YUK! Just give straws or napkins, MOST customers will want them.


editthis (Guest Post) 2005-11-01
sorry for the tone of my post, but if you edit the last bit you should really edit spring1, if you have any concept of basic human dignity and respect.
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"just think of your tables as one big table if your giving table one coffee,coffee table four five "

Actually, the server should go in order, meaning, if I am at table 1, which happens to have ordered first as well as got seated first, gets our drink order, which consist of my husband and I, but goes to the second table and gets 6 other people's drink orders, then goes get all 8 glasses of soft drinks or teas. Is that really fair to make the table 1 wait longer when they were seated first as well as their order got taken first? I think NOT! If they were first, they should get their drinks first, then say as you are putting the drinks down "I'll be right back." Then go to get the second table's drink order and fill them and as you are handing them say "I'll be right back" and go get the food order from the first table and put the food order into the computer, then go to the second table and get their food order and go put their food order in.

It's not really fair to make the first table wait LONGER for their food and drinks because you decide to get orders, but sit on the orders basically before putting them in or going to get them. Treat people as you'd like to be treated, meaning DON'T make them wait for 6 people to order drinks before getting only 2 drinks that were first to begin with. Don't make 2 people that were first wait for 6 people to order food, which they may be asking lots of questions and taking 3-5 minutes to take down their order, meaning, it just took up the table that came first's time for NOTHING because the cook has NO CLUE there's been a NEW order.

DON'T treat them like they are ONE big table, that just isn't FAIR or RIGHT, because we are INDIVIDUAL TABLES and should be treated as such. We are INDIVIDUAL customers and when a server takes an order, they should FULFILL the order to it's entirety if possible, unless someone's order is done that ordered BEFORE the current customers that just ordered. So, if I just asked for the check, the server should be ONLY going to get the check, NOT BUSSING the table, NOT going to ask another table if they need anything, ONLY that REQUEST, then it will go to the table to asks if they need anything. I have had servers go buss a table before getting a check or going to put in an order, I say to that, LOWERED tip for thinking that customer's time is not important and that cleaning up is to them. It's NOT to the customer. The customer wants to get their things as soon as possible, so cleaning up can LITERALLY be done AFTER the customer is gone. There's NO NEED to take time to clean up to delay a customer if they just asked for something. That's just RUDE when servers clean up instead of getting the requests that was JUST ordered. It's one thing if they are picking up plates at the table you are at, but to buss a table with NOBODY at it, that's just RIDICULOUS to make a customer wait for that.
Tammy
"How many times should I check on a table, and when is it too much?"

I am a customer EVERY weekend literally. I feel, RIGHT after my food arrives, within a couple of minutes, check to see if everything is as ordered, because I have had to get UP to get the server's attention that my chimichunga filling was wrong, because he couldn't open it up to see that it was wrong, but it would have been NICE of him to have came and check to see so I wouldn't have had to get up. To CARE if the food is wrong or right is the key.

I personally, would rather have a HOVERING server than an almost non-existant server. ANYTIME that you come up to the table, you have the opportunity to asks if they would like anything else such as a refill. I think too hovering would be after we have said eveything was ok, but then the server comes to us in the middle of us eating. It's not like we wouldn't have had the opportunity to decline a refill or asks for one when the server comes up to us to see if everything is ok.

I don't like when a server asks for dessert when 1 person isn't finished with their meal. I feel RUSHED and I don't like that. That happened to me at Applebee's. My husband was finished, I wasn't, but the waiter still asked if we wanted any dessert instead of waiting until we were BOTH finished. Usually couples share a dessert or for instance, I didn't know if I wanted a dessert yet because I wasn't finished eating my entree yet. I felt give me a chance to finish eating you know.

It's better to asks if they want a refill than to just put a refill down without knowing if they want it. I don't like when a server brings a refill without asking the customer first. It's like, I am the customer, so give me a chance to order for myself. I order a coke, not a refill of it initially.

Don't make customers wait long after they have finished eating to asks if they would like something else or the check. If they want dessert, asks if that is it, that way you know to get the check and it won't make you have to asks much more and you can ring it up even when they are eating if they choose to get the money or credit card out during them eating. That makes the customer not have a longer wait.

Always, make sure you don't overcharge or undercharge someone. I have had both MANY of times. So if you hand them the check, make sure that they are charged correctly.

A friend (Guest Post) 2006-01-15
Servers, please don't listen to a word Springs1 says! She's a lunatic that plagues boards for servers trying to tell them how to give good service, despite never being a server. She's quite insane.

RE: Waiter and Waitress Tips and Advice
A friend (Guest Post) 2006-01-15
Servers, please don't listen to a word Springs1 says! She's a lunatic that plagues boards for servers trying to tell them how to give good service, despite never being a server. She's quite insane.


Hmmm her retarded self spreading ill will on other boards... and she recommended this site. They know she is a freak there too! Imagine that!



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Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Print Post

The person I quoted you had NO opinion about.

Because the person who wrote that opinion was not, nor had not been, a server. I was trying to point out, that other people feel the way we do about some things, but, of course, you are too self centered to think about that.

Here's the problem - you want things that many of us have said could get us fired. Then you say that we care only about ourselves because of that. Yes, we do. We have bills to pay, rent/mortgage to make, kids to raise. Of couse we think of our income and how it affects us. You think only of yourself and your skewed concept of time and service. That makes you uncaring and selfish also.

Welcome to the club.
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Did anybody else notice the post about never ever bring a drink without being ordered? Then in a previous post, kudos to the bartender that made her white russian, upon her arrival? Am I missing something? Or is it the impossible lords set of standards that change without notice.
I also find it amusing that a website she quotes, and refers us to, finds her abrasive and maniacal.
jysi, you got that right, we do care about ourselves. doesn't mean we have no thought for our guests. Face it that's why we are there not for the love of serving people. Its a job, I am there primarily to make money, why cant she understand that? If by her logic that makes me selfish and uncaring then too bad.
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I think all the confussion comes from the name itself..... "Lords of Acid"... gotta get off the acid!! Its frying your brain!!!!

I find it humorous that you have sooo much time to post and bitch and criticize everyone else's opinion.... gotta get OFF the acid and GET a LIFE!!!!

Go find or do something positive in the world!! THere's sooo much opportunity for something GOOD with all you free time!
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I did a web search for Lords of Acid. Go to lordsofacid.com If that's what she has named herself after then all the slut calling tartar whore name calling is deserved! Oh wait those are her names from another board that hates her too!
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Acid Queen
Lords of Acid

I want you to give me a show
I'll give you a show, i'll give you a show
Show me your pussy, show me your pussy
Show it to me, show it to me
She's an acid queen if you know what i mean
Hey bitch, now i want you to go down on your hands and knees
Come on, on your hands and knees, on your hands and knees
I want it, you want what, you want what ?
I want your cock, i want your cock
She's an acid queen if you know what i mean
Aahaa, ooh that's nice, ahaa ooh that's nice
Ready, ready, take it, aah, take it, aah, take it, aah, take it, aah
She's an acid queen if you know what i mean
She's an acid queen if you know what i mean


Lyrics from one of the songs!
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This post was partially written before the server went down.

outbacker
"gotta get off the acid!! Its frying your brain!!!!"

"gotta get OFF the acid and GET a LIFE!!!!"

I have NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER have done drugs before. The ONLY thing I've ever done is drink ALCOHOL, NOT even a cigarette. I have NO CLUE HOW to smoke a cigarette even. So YOU need to GET A LIFE. I love the band "Lords of Acid" because they have songs that are SEXUAL like "Pussy" which goes "I wanna see your pussy, show it to me" and other songs like "Rough Sex" or "Spank My Booty" or "The Wet Dream" and MANY OTHERS that are COOL, because they have "SEXUAL" lyrics. I DON'T care if some of the songs have drug related lyrics. I love them for the "SEXUAL SONGS."

http://www.lordsofacid.com/sounds/

Take a listen. MOST of the songs are of a "SEXUAL" nature. That is one of the reasons why I like them and also because I LOVE to dance, which this music is danceable.

http://www.lordsofacid.com/lyrics/index.php?show=51

This is the page where the lyrics for my FAVORITE song from them is, "PUSSY." They still play it in bars and nightclubs. I've been knowing it since 1997 and have seen them LIVE 3 times. They are SO COOL live.

renasue
"If I can grab an extra glass from your table while im taking a bill up then I won't have to remove it later to make another trip and waste more of your time. I am overall saving you time."

You DON'T have to pick it up BEFORE we leave, HONESTLY, YOU DON'T. So overall, you WASTE time for those poor people that had to wait longer for their check to be rung up. I don't think grabbing one glass is very significant amount of time lost, but bussing a WHOLE TABLE and piling up dishes in a pile IS 2 or 3 minutes of the customer's time WASTED vs. grabbing one glass that is like 2 seconds worth, which the 2 seconds is not so bad. I hate when that time I went to Chili's and the waitress came up to us to asks if we wanted anything else. We ordered refills on our soft drinks and I ordered a margarita. I don't get why she couldn't just leave those dishes from our table on the table across from us that had dishes also INSTEAD of taking OUR time, 2 minutes or more to wipe the table, pile the dishes on that table, and then make a trip to the kitchen BEFORE going to the computer to put my order in for the margarita that takes MORE TIME than 2 soft drinks? In the time she was bussing, she REALLY COULD HAVE gone to get our 2 soft drinks. I have had MANY, MANY servers that have brought our soft drinks even though my mixed alcoholic drink was NOT ready. So, by the time she brought our soft drinks, then she could have bussed the table if no one else would have asked for her, then she as she would be bringing the dishes to the kitchen, on her way back, she could grab the margarita I ordered. See, I waited LONGER for my margarita and we BOTH waited LONGER for our soft drinks over DISHES and BUSSING. I told this SAME scenario to one of my co-workers and she said I was being GENEROUS to give 15% and that she felt "Customers come first." She DID tell me that. Think about it, LITERALLY, the dishes are STILL GOING TO BE THERE when the waitress got back from bringing our soft drinks, so I really don't know WHY she'd rather make us WAIT LONGER and WHY in the HELL did she ASKS us if she wasn't READY for the order? It's not even like she was taking another order, she was CLEANING UP. That type of stuff CAN be done LATER, after the customer receives what they just ordered. There's honestly NO REAL REASON to make the customer wait LONGER for their stuff over something that can be done AFTER they leave or at least AFTER they get what they just asked for.

Does it make sense if a McDonald's worker fills up the straw dispenser, napkins, and ketchups BEFORE taking an order for instance, which there is a customer standing WAITING get their coke they just ordered, but the worker decides that stocking is MORE IMPORTANT than the customer's time? I think that's AWFUL if a worker would do this. Taking up someone's time for stuff that can LITERALLY be done AFTER the cup is filled and the drink is given to the customer. Even if dirty dishes bring bugs and rodents, it's not like if a worker leaves it for an extra minute or 2 that bugs are going to crawl all over, I mean REALLY. Thinking of the CUSTOMER'S TIME should be the #1 PRIORITY. Think of the customer's feelings like when the waitress cared more about dishes and wiping down a table, than the tip she was going to receive or her customer’s feelings or time.

WHY make bussing a table and dishes MORE IMPORTANT than the customer's request? There's really NO REASON why a server should come to asks something, but then do something else that CAN WAIT, as long as it's not someone's PREVIOUSLY ordered food, drinks, or ANY request. I SHOULDN'T have had to wait LONGER for my margarita, which by the time she went over there to order it, it's VERY POSSIBLE some orders were AHEAD of me, that very well COULD have been BEHIND me, meaning, my margarita would have gotten fixed even SOONER and it may have been brought to me SOONER. My husband and I could have had our soft drinks WAY BEFORE my margarita got there. I think it's UNFAIR to make people wait for clean up work. That's just plain WRONG. MOST people don't care as much about if they see dirty dishes as they do about their time and care MORE about the people they are with than seeing dirty dishes, especially if they want to LEAVE.

spaz0matic
"You don’t know who makes what request in what order."

I can STILL pay attention to who I'm with, just because I happen to get up to go wash my hands after I've ordered and see the server go to another customer or 2 BEFORE they put my order into the computer. I also have noticed that even if I am paying attention to who I'm with because WHO has something NEW to say EVERY SECOND? I know I don't have something NEW to talk about all the time, especially when my husband and I see each other so much.

"I have gone to check on a table, the table asks me for another drink, on the way to get the drink I hand another table their check. Do you have a problem with this?"

Depends, WHO requested FIRST? If it was the table that asked for their check, YOU'VE just DELAYED them by going to another table when their check was 100% ready to give to them, but you took a DETOUR to another table when you had it in YOUR HAND instead of going to bring it to them and THEN, going to asks the table if they wanted anything else.

Now, if the scenario was that you had the check in your apron let's say, and the table that ordered another drink ordered FIRST let's say, then you just DELAYED the table that just requested their drink. Sure it's not much of a delay, but it is, that you had to stop, grab the check out of your apron, even possibly take dishes(which when we've asked for the check before, some servers have taken dishes at the time), which would be taking MORE TIME from the table that just requested 1 soft drink. Also, what if it was a mixed drink? Then it would REALLY be delaying things because it takes LONGER to make that type of drinks than just to put ice in a glass and soft drink or tea.

"Making this plea for forgiveness that you expect will only make a customer think about the problem instead of knowing that it is being taken care of."

My feelings are SO DIFFERENT. I dwell on the problem MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MORE if I DON'T receive an apology. I think MOST people will AGREE they would like to hear at least ONE SORRY for a mistake, no matter what kind of mistake either. At least for me, by apologizing, it makes the mistake NOT AS BAD as if the server wouldn't have said they were sorry at all. I give them MORE TIP BECAUSE they were NICE ENOUGH to apologize. Be nice and I’ll be NICE back. Be uncaring by not apologizing and I’ll be uncaring back with my lowered tip

"Again you don’t know who requested what first if you are a guest in a restaurant. Thank you."

YES, I DO! I can see that the customers next to us AREN'T even asking for the server, but I CAN SEE the server asking them if they want anything else, definately. I also have noticed that one time a server was suppose to serve the OTHER CUSTOMER FIRST, but came to serve us for some STUPID and UNCARING reason. I notice after I've just ordered that a waiter at a seafood restaurant one time went to take 6 people's orders BEFORE putting in our food order. That's just INCONSIDEATE! WE ordered BEFORE they did, so it's ONLY FAIR to let the cook know by going to put the order into the computer BEFORE going to that next table. WE ordered FIRST, they ordered SECOND. People CAN still be treated like a line somewhat to be FAIR and NOT make the first table wait LONGER for their orders. The waiter took up OUR TIME, which we ordered BEFORE they did, for 6 others, which is a total of 8 people's orders he had to take down and answer any questions as well BEFORE FINALLY going to put in our order.

minerva05
"Lords, wouldn't you appreciate it if a server had the thoughtfulness to bring a fussy child their food as soon as possible to that they they would quiet down and you and your husband sitting at the next table could enjoy your evening more. And it's not like an order of chicken fingers makes anyone else meal anymore than 30 secs. slower."

ONLY if they ordered BEFORE we did. Secondly, it's ONLY 30 seconds slower if they have the food on the tray already, NOT, I repeat, NOT if they have to GO BACK to the KITCHEN to get BOTH of our entrees that takes MORE TIME, NOT just 30 seconds that's FOR SURE! Especially if the cook forgot my condiments, then it's up to the SERVER to remind the cook or get them BEFORE taking the food to us. It's NOT FAIR to give a child their food first, if they ordered second, just because "THEY ARE A CHILD." You're PREJUDICED against adults who are patiently WAITING LONGER for their food. The kid WILL NOT be tipping the server more than likely, so WHY treat them like gold if "MONEY" is the thing that some of the people stated on here they care about the MOST?

"but does anyone else absolutely hate having to look at a dirty table while you're eating in a restaurant."

UNLESS, it is "MY" table, I really DON'T CARE. I'd MUCH RATHER NOT WAIT LONGER FOR THINGS, than to see a cleaner table or tables next to me. I am looking at my food and my drink as well as my husband or even outside if I'm sitting at a window. I'm also looking at the server if I've just requested something if they are in my viewing area. If they aren't, I'm not going to turn around to watch them, that's nuts to do that and I wouldn't be having a good time then. I just see what's in my viewing area. Sometimes, I see A LOT of things because of "WHERE" I am seated. So, sometimes I happen to turn my head if I just asked for the check because I want to leave, you know. I'm finished with my food and drinks, so I don't want to sit there for 3 minutes or more if I really don't have to. This also gives a chance for OTHER CUSTOMERS to have the seat that we are in FASTER, because it will become available FASTER, the faster we sign the credit card slip and write the tip on the tip line. The faster the table can be bussed for the NEXT customer. If we have to sit there LONGER, that table is NOT available for the NEXT CUSTOMERS. It would have been MORE smarter for the waiter at Applebee's to get our check as requested, go buss the table, but not finish it and come by our table, which was almost right across from that table to ring it up, come back to our table to give us back the credit card, receipts, and a pen, then went to the table to finish the rest of the bussing, by putting all those dishes on OUR table, because we would have left. Then gone to the new table that he had greeted next to us and greeted them as well as brought them drinks. Then if they needed more time, he could go to bussed the table we were at and bring the dishes to the kitchen. Also, if there were bussers, they could have picked up the dishes and bussed the table during the time the waiter was going to get the soft drinks. If the customers wanted to order, then at least ONE TABLE would be available for other customers to sit until the new table's food order was into the computer. Then, if nobody would have taken all the dishes off the table we were at by then, then the dishes could be taken off. Think about it, this way, the waiter could have concentrated BETTER on the next customers and other customers that asked for things by making people wait LONGER to get seated. So, my point is, by making us wait LONGER for our check, he got a lower tip than if he would have just gone to get the check, because I don't think those people he greeted were even seated when we asked for the check, otherwise, I think he would have left those dishes alone and went to greet the table, because as some of you all said, greeting time is suppose to be 30 seconds according to you all. So, our check SHOULD have been gotten considering we were CLOSER to the computer than that table that he was bussing was. He thought he was ONLY caring about getting more people seated, which trying to get people OUT IS HELPING to get people seated. He could have decided to buss our table AFTER we left BEFORE greeting the new table, because the new table may have NOT been seated BEFORE we left possibly.

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"Isnt cooking a solo meal prejudice to the large party?"

YES, it IS, but, it's either make one person wait about 45 minutes to make 16 entrees or make one person at the table wait an extra 10 minutes. I think a manager would say cook the solo meal. NO, it's NOT FAIR at ALL to the party that ordered FIRST, but, WHO really wants to wait that long for ONE meal just because they have a LARGE order? They might LOSE that solo customer’s order due to the long wait, where as, if they make the solo meal first, they won't probably lose that order, but they most probably won't lose the 15 party order. I don't think it's fair and when I'm in that 15 party group, it would SUCK to have to wait LONGER over that one person, but it may not be waiting much longer, because, if let's say one person has a salad and the next person has a steak, they are probably going to bring EVERYONE'S food at once, so it may not be delaying the party of 15 very much at all possibly.

"Go out to dinner and order appetizers a reasonable person might think you are not in a big hurry."

It has NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY, NOTHING to do with being in a hurry. I'm usually NOT in a hurry, I just want some RESPECT. One time, we asked for the check and this waitress went to another table that had customers at it, which was about 4 or so. The customers piled up plates on top of her hands. We ended up waiting 5 minutes for our check, because she went to ANOTHER table as well. Do you see where I'm coming from? We are finished, so we want to leave. It's NOT that we are in a hurry to go somewhere or even go home, we just want to leave the restaurant since we are FINISHED considering customer’s time is WAY MORE IMPORTANT than dishes and “OUR” requests did come FIRST, just like when a person is in a line, they don’t usually let people cut, so just because it’s not a line shouldn’t mean the first person should wait LONGER for their request. Even when a person makes a call and they are on hold, they go by the ORDER the calls come in, so WHY should people have to wait longer just because they aren’t in a “LINE?” The waitress didn't CARE about "OUR" time, because if she did, she'd just go to get the check, then went to that table and got dishes, then came back to ring up the check, and then went to that other table. THAT is HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. She got 10% for delaying us like that. That's RIDICULOUS to have to wait for things like that such as dishes. If I have dishes on my table, if I'm finished, SO WHAT if the dishes are on the table another minute or so, I care about LEAVING when I'm finished. I'd MUCH rather have dishes on my table, even when the check comes than to be delayed from leaving. WHO wants to wait 5 minutes for something when they can wait 2 minutes? I know sure as hell DON’T and A LOT of people DON’T too.

"You of all people have no problem with a bartender making your white russian when you walk through the door?"

As I said in my previous posts, I stated that I DIDN'T really like when she'd do that, but she was very nice and she NEVER put talking ahead of the customers, EVER. I respect that. She didn't always fix my drink with me not ordering it; she only did that a few times. I DO rather order for myself though. The difference is, if a bartender makes a drink, they don't have to make another trip back and forth to bring another to me again, where as server has to go ALL THE WAY BACK to the bar and ALL the way BACK to our table to bring the correct drink. So, it's WORSE when it's a server ordering for me, than a bartender, because they don't waste as much of my time or other customer's time for the mistake.

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http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2830.html#POST13946
“Have you ever heard of "consideration".”

What EVER happened to the QUESTION MARK? It IS a QUESTION.

http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2934.html#POST13944
“obssessing”

OH, what do I see here, a SPELLING ERROR? You act like you’re PERFECT, when you’re NOT!

Also, remember when you misspelled “EMBARRASSED?”

YOU need to LEARN HOW TO SPELL and to LEARN ENGLISH!

QUIT telling OTHERS about their mistakes, when YOU’VE misspelled and FORGOT a question mark! YOU ARE MEAN to be telling people about just ME, when almost EVERYONE ELSE on this board misspells. I mean, just LOOK at ALL the people I quoted and their spelling errors, but do I care? HELL NO! IT REALLY DOESN’T MATTER if they misspell something or not. We are NOT in ENGLISH class, give it a rest. You may be smarter than me in English and spelling, but that doesn’t mean you have to be MEAN to me over that. You are just trying to throw me an insult to make yourself feel better.

“You are pure trash.”

I’m NOT going to stoop that low to tell you that, because I am NICE, which is something you AREN’T.
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No lords you are a complete waste of air! Stop with the spell check. We really don't care. You are the one that thinks they are perfect and we really don't care what you have to say. You have never waited tables. You really don't live in the real world. I'm going to go out on a limb here and think that the rescue workers for 911 that died in your mind deserve to die.. you know because they are all dying of lung complications. It's not because they had compassion and were helping others, they put themselves in that situation... therefore they deserved to die.
Everyone on this board BUT YOU... DID THAT HELP THE CAPS YES I AM YELLING AT YOU! understands that we are there for the money... everyone but you understands that we are only human... WE ARE GOING TO BE AS MEAN AS WE CAN TO YOU! AND WHEN YOU DIE FROM....WAIT YOUR FAULT... FROM MAYO!!!!!! ALL YOUR SIDES OF RANCH WILL KILL YOU! You chose them, eat them and die you SELFISH COLD UNCARING NOT GOING TO TIP AND WILL ALWAYS FIND FAULT IN ANYONE BUT YOU!!!!!!!!
My apologizies to all the rest of the real world! love ya
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ps you owe the girl an apology and why didn't you respond to you retarded post that I cut copied and pasted here... cause you are WRONG! YOU ARE MEAN YOU SUCK AIR THE REST OF US NEED TO BREATHE!
THE GIRL...caps suck! love you all but she has gotten on my last freaking nerve!
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Reply Chili's Locations
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"You don't have to drive an hour to go to Chili's."

There is the LaPlace, LA location that is about a half an hour away, but, we have had horrible service BOTH times we've went to that one and that manager is a NON-CARING person. At that location, the lady manager didn't sympathize with me waiting 30-35 minutes for my margarita. What happened is, they were out of shakers for the Presidente' margarita and my margarita I guess got brought to another customer, meanwhile, when I had finished my food by 9:18p.m, ordered it at approx. 9:02p.m. and the server came by and asked if I've received it, which I told her no, that I've been waiting almost 20 minutes. I went get the manager because she went to other tables and didn't care. The manager was a bitch and didn't even offer anything for my REALLY LONG wait. The waitress was awful and rude telling me when I told her about the margarita, I mentioned ALL my mistakes, which one of them was telling her TWICE about getting utensils. Her response was "It's the hostess's job." I KNOW that, but to be that RUDE is just MEAN. She could have just gotten them the FIRST time I asked for them. The manager also told me that she printed the ticket right, but I told her my food came out wrong. It's like she didn't get it that bringing the wrong food to the customer is NOT the right thing to do. SO WHAT, the tickets printed right, if the cook made a mistake, don't just bring it to the customer like that with the big bowl of cinnamon apples, which I told the server I wanted extra fries INSTEAD of the cinnamon apples. My 2 sides of bar-b-que sauce and 1 side of mayonnaise was missing also. These were ALL OBVIOUS mistakes, not like a pickle that can't be easily seen.

Then the second time we went, the server forgot a condiment. The waitress asked me "Are you sure you want that margarita because it's like you're downgrading with that tequila?" I ordered a Presidente' margarita made with Jose Cuervo instead of Sauza. That AGGREVATED me because I KNOW EXACTLY what I want and she just WASTED her time asking such a STUPID question. I had to explain I've had this drink MANY times this way and that is what I want. I SHOUDLN'T have had to explain myself, when I specifically ordered it a certain way. I also got overcharged. They had one OLD menu with the OLD prices and got charged $14.49 instead of $13.99 for the baby back ribs.

So, I DON'T go to that location for the UNCARING manager and LOUSY wait staff.

I'd MUCH rather go FURTHER and get BETTER service and if I have any problems, I won't be able to get her to give a sit. I have had a caring manager at the location in the new orleans area before Katrina. We waited 10 minutes for our check and my husband went up to get it rung up. We got overcharged over $21. The manager was SO CARING, I think a LITTLE TOO caring. He gave us the $26 free that we spent AND $25 in gift certificates. NOW, THAT is the way it should be handled, NOT to not care if someone waits a half an hour for a margarita. I didn't receive the margarita until 9:35p.m., which PATHETICALLY the manager brought out.

So that is WHY I go to OTHER locations that are further. NOW, just maybe you understand that I want to have a PLEASANT time, NOT a HORRIBLE one?

All I expected was the margarita to be for free or even a coke to be taken off because of my VERY EXTREME wait for ONLY 1 damn drink. I feel show some CARING for customers or they won't want to go back ever. I tried it a second time and as I said, I didn't have great service either. The second time, the waitress received 10%, the first time with the rude waitress OBVIOUSLY ZERO.
From another site... How do you have time for this? Guess you do since we are all having cyber sex with your husband! DIE soon please! We are so cold and mean we are going to move into your stolen house and live on coupons and free food!
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Lords, you are a pure moron descended of morons. I won't even go into your poor English and language skills because the point is moot. Your momma, husband and some co-worker agreeing with your stupid viewpoints only acknowledge the ignorant environment in which you're surrounded. The fact that you think these opinions validate you speak volumes of your need for acceptance and some sort of back-up of your stupidity.

The fact that you find these stupid Lords of Acid lyrics sexy speaks volumes about your sexual dysfuntion and need for attention. You're damaged goods.

In the past I've found your posts amusing by their sheer idiocy. I now find them tedious and can't be bothered to actually read them. I don't know if I'll visit here again because as a non-server (I don't serve any longer, I get served) there isn't space in my life to try to teach a moron like you how to be served gracefully. That ability is beyond your capabilities and my time here serves no purpose.

Please don't have children and turn them into the disfunctional people your mother made of you. Your genes need a cleansing.

For the record, I make more money in one month than you make in a year. I don't use spell-check on a casual board because usual typos are acceptable because it's casual. Your typos aren't typos; yours are from poor education and language skills.

We've rehashed all the points. You're so STUPID that you don't understand that a waitress bussing a table is good for all of the people who dine in a restaurant. You don't care about other people, just YOUR space. YOUR space must be clean, but not that of other diners, until you leave.

You are a petulant, whinny crybaby, who needs attention at all times. I dine at 4 and 5 star restaurants and don't expect the service you crave. You are needy for whatever reason, but it's not the world's problem and servers see you coming. If I was still a server I'd see you coming and making you miserable would be worth much more to me than your stupid tip percentaged out in pennies.

One parting note. I ask. He or she asks.
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”Depends, WHO requested FIRST? If it was the table that asked for their check, YOU'VE just DELAYED them by going to another table when their check was 100% ready to give to them, but you took a DETOUR to another table when you had it in YOUR HAND instead of going to bring it to them and THEN, going to asks the table if they wanted anything else.

Now, if the scenario was that you had the check in your apron let's say, and the table that ordered another drink ordered FIRST let's say, then you just DELAYED the table that just requested their drink. Sure it's not much of a delay, but it is, that you had to stop, grab the check out of your apron, even possibly take dishes(which when we've asked for the check before, some servers have taken dishes at the time), which would be taking MORE TIME from the table that just requested 1 soft drink. Also, what if it was a mixed drink? Then it would REALLY be delaying things because it takes LONGER to make that type of drinks than just to put ice in a glass and soft drink or tea.”

Nobody requested anything. The glass on the one table was half empty. Our restaurant’s policy is to automatically bring a refill when the glass is half empty. I know you don’t like this, but if I don’t do it another server will, and if nobody does it the manager will do it himself then lecture me about it for the next 10 mins of my life. We also have a policy called “check ready”. That is we are to have a copy of a check for every table we have in our pouch at all times. So I noticed from across the restaurant that the glass needed refilled (my job) then as I was walking the drink (which was not requested) to the table, the table on the way to the table that needed the drink asked for their check. I put it on the table, and never stopped walking. Slowed down yes, but didn’t stop walking. Then I dropped off the refill, turned around to the table behind them with the check (that is now ready with a credit card on it) picked that up and cashed it out. No requests. I anticipated the needs of my guests, and was ready when they needed something WITHOUT them having to ask.

“My feelings are SO DIFFERENT. I dwell on the problem MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MORE if I DON'T receive an apology. I think MOST people will AGREE they would like to hear at least ONE SORRY for a mistake, no matter what kind of mistake either. At least for me, by apologizing, it makes the mistake NOT AS BAD as if the server wouldn't have said they were sorry at all. I give them MORE TIP BECAUSE they were NICE ENOUGH to apologize. Be nice and I’ll be NICE back. Be uncaring by not apologizing and I’ll be uncaring back with my lowered tip”

Well you would be out of luck where I work. You won’t get one. You will get the problem fixed, but nobody will be falling all over themselves with heart felt appoligies. Not going to happen. Not from the servers, not from the managers, not from the owners. You dwell on it no matter if you get one or not so STFU.

"Again you don’t know who requested what first if you are a guest in a restaurant. Thank you."

”YES, I DO! I can see that the customers next to us AREN'T even asking for the server, but I CAN SEE the server asking them if they want anything else, definately. I also have noticed that one time a server was suppose to serve the OTHER CUSTOMER FIRST, but came to serve us for some STUPID and UNCARING reason. I notice after I've just ordered that a waiter at a seafood restaurant one time went to take 6 people's orders BEFORE putting in our food order. That's just INCONSIDEATE! WE ordered BEFORE they did, so it's ONLY FAIR to let the cook know by going to put the order into the computer BEFORE going to that next table. WE ordered FIRST, they ordered SECOND. People CAN still be treated like a line somewhat to be FAIR and NOT make the first table wait LONGER for their orders. The waiter took up OUR TIME, which we ordered BEFORE they did, for 6 others, which is a total of 8 people's orders he had to take down and answer any questions as well BEFORE FINALLY going to put in our order.”


NO YOU DON’T! (I can use caps too.) You really don’t. I don’t care how many times you say it. You don’t know who needs what before you do. Do you survey these people? NO. So no no no (lmao) you don’t.
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Ok, maybe getting off the drugs was wrong..... how about AA, seems you and your margaritas and long islands in a very rapid serving pace are the most important things to you!?!?

In the meantime, trying to find something GOOD to say about life or waitressing/bartending/bussing... your life might actually be a little but more of a happier place and you wouldnt need those "cocktails" so darn fast!!!

PS... there are more people in the world and in the restuarant than YOU... ever take a look around and notice?? Maybe some patience and a freakin smile WOULD get you some freakin respect!!!!
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The reason why loa doesn't think about anyone but her is because she is mean and selfish and has no care about anything but herself. When she is wrong... and there is very few times she is right but her attitude on life screws that for her... she can't think about anything but what happened many many years ago. Thankfully not all of the world thinks or acts like her. We know she has attitude because she thinks that she has to YELL at people about her injustice in this world. She has no idea that it just proves her ignorance. No one here or at any other board has ever been able to get it threw her head that we do the best we can to make a living and do what we do best! You can try to be kind in your responses and yet she will come back with some off the wall rule how you are mean cold caring about your money... yet it is always about her money. I really think it's because as she has said before she was spoiled as a child. Her obsession with her weight. She weighs herself all the time. She finds fault with everyone but her. She doesn't understand that feeding a child so that not only the parents but the other patrons in the restaurant will be more relaxed and not have to deal with a screaming child. Her idea is it's not fair she was there first. So who do you want to deal with? Her on a message board talking about what was wrongly done to her or at that time getting the child's food out first. Waitressing is a lot like life... priorities. Lords doesn't have any. It's her way or not fair! She is a miserable excuse for a human. She has no sense of humor. She is only about her and her feelings... yet when she says that people who work in an environment with smoke deserve lung cancer... she hurt a lot of other peoples feelings. But she goes to pool halls and bars. So by her rules... she deserves to die of lung cancer also! I've lost both of my grandparents (who never smoked) and both of my parents to lung cancer. My dad smoked for 2 years. My Mom for 30. Yet by her standards they deserved it. And no lordsofass... there are people on this board you need to apologize before you look up some other anal website to quote where they hate you too. I am thankful for everything I have yet you take everything out on people who don't deserve to ever come in contact with you. I didn't steal my house, I don't look for the evil in others, just you because it is in our face all the time with your posts. I look outside and am so thankful I am alive another day, you get mad when someone asks you why you are still worrying about crap that happened years ago when you just lived threw Katrina. May be because you will never be able to support yourself if your husband left you? Maybe because we servers, bartenders etc... owe you something for your complete disrespect of us? Darn it my rambling lords post has caused my beer to get warm... who do I blame now? Get a grip... you are in a "state of emergency" still! Instead of going out to eat... volunteer for the ones that lost everything! Cause as far as we can tell from all of the crap you post... we don't need to do anymore fund raiser for the people down there... life is normal for all right? Is that why we are busting our butts to raise money so that we can send it to NO so you can live better and go torture more servers?
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It's NOT FAIR to give a child their food first, if they ordered second, just because "THEY ARE A CHILD."

Oh. My. God.

You selfish, selfish whore. You would rather listen to a screaming and hungry 2 year old just so you can get your overprocessed dinner faster? What the hell is wrong with you? A baby's going to get priority over an adult any day of the week. It's the human condition to protect and care for the weakest and young.

You're PREJUDICED against adults who are patiently WAITING LONGER for their food.

Adults know how to wait, and kids only know that their little tummies are hurting.

The kid WILL NOT be tipping the server more than likely, so WHY treat them like gold if "MONEY" is the thing that some of the people stated on here they care about the MOST?

Their parents will be tipping, and I do not know a single parent alive who would be angry about a kid's dinner being brought out first...especially a younger child who's already fussy. I always asked parents if they wanted the kids' meals ASAP, and then I made it happen.

Why don't you go drink a supersized cup of AIDS, you stupid, selfish whore?
"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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It's NOT FAIR to give a child their food first, if they ordered second, just because "THEY ARE A CHILD."

Oh. My. God.

You selfish, selfish whore. You would rather listen to a screaming and hungry 2 year old just so you can get your overprocessed dinner faster? What the hell is wrong with you? A baby's going to get priority over an adult any day of the week. It's the human condition to protect and care for the weakest and young.

You're PREJUDICED against adults who are patiently WAITING LONGER for their food.

Adults know how to wait, and kids only know that their little tummies are hurting.

The kid WILL NOT be tipping the server more than likely, so WHY treat them like gold if "MONEY" is the thing that some of the people stated on here they care about the MOST?

Their parents will be tipping, and I do not know a single parent alive who would be angry about a kid's dinner being brought out first...especially a younger child who's already fussy. I always asked parents if they wanted the kids' meals ASAP, and then I made it happen. And, by your own skewed logic, everyone should be treated like gold! That includes kids, you moron!

Why don't you go drink a supersized cup of AIDS, you stupid, selfish whore?
"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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Not to worry Lords, you are the fussy child I'm bringing the food out to first.
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big_momma
"Your typos aren't typos; yours are from poor education and language skills."

Aren't you just a tad CONCEDED? WHO THE HELL YOU THINK YOU ARE? So "YOUR" typos are ok, but mine aren't? STFU! You are SO MEAN! You think you are perfect or something, well, YOU'RE NOT and I PROVED it on my other posts. Also, other people on this board make typos A LOT.

coorslite said "No one here or at any other board has ever been able to get it threw her head that we do the best we can to make a living and do what we do best!"

I am not trying to be mean to coorslite, just pointing out instead of "Through", she put the wrong "Threw." So does that mean coorslite has bad English skills or are you just prejudice against me ONLY? I feel SO WHAT, coorslite made a mistake, BIG FREAKIN DEAL. You are the other hand have to tell me I'm stupid and that I have bad English and spelling so you can feel better about yourself. HOW PATHETIC!

Also, you said in previous posts in the past that you'd be embarrassed to order all the stuff I order, well that tells me how shy and passive of a person are you when it comes to ordering. I have the COURAGE and CONFIDENCE in myself to ask for EXACTLY what I want, so I can be HAPPY with my meal. You, on the other hand, would rather have your food not as you’d like it than to ask for something. You said you didn't care for onions on a past posts a long time ago, but what if the burger has onions cooked in it? Would you eat it or would you have wished that you would have had the CONFIDENCE to ASKS for WHAT YOU WANT? See, if I ordered it with NO ONIONS, I WOULD have gotten what "I", the CUSTOMER, wanted, whether I would have had to send it back or not. You would be to shy to say anything, HOW PATHETIC!

You also said you didn't care if the onions were on there. Just maybe you don't, but if they were little chopped pieces, you would have more trouble taking them off. Are you that embarrassed that you can't order things the way you like them? I think that's just PATHETIC!

"For the record, I make more money in one month than you make in a year."

See, all this stuff about "YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME" attitude shows how CONCEDED you really are. GET OVER YOURSELF! YOU AREN'T PERFECT. Just because you like things most of the time the EXACT way they are on the menu, doesn't mean that other people that don't are bad people. A LOT of people at the donut shop had COMPLEX orders. QUITE a NUMBER of times I had someone order a dozen kastleburgers with 2 a different way, 1 a different way, 3 a certain way, 4 a different way, 2 a different way. Those were people that are just like me, that like things CERTAIN ways. The order may have been for a family. Even some of the adults may have had theirs a certain way that's not "AS IT COMES." BURGER KING even had the motto "Have it YOUR WAY." Now, if EVERYONE in the world wanted ALL the things that come on a burger like tomatoes, pickles, onions, lettuce, ketchup, mayonnaise, mustard, they wouldn't HAVE a motto such as that. So if you think that EVERYONE likes things "as is" on the menu, YOUR VERY WRONG.

I wouldn't hardly EVER go out to eat if I had to have things "AS IS." What would be the point of going out to eat to have it taste bad?

Even my husband likes to dip mozzarella sticks in ranch, not just me. I discovered it a few years ago when a bar that served food served mozzarella sticks WITH ranch. Ever since then, I have been eating them WITH ranch. I also like the marinara too. Sometimes I will bite one with marinara and the next bite with ranch. Things, to me, just taste MUCH BETTER with condiments. WHY eat ribs without ANY bar-b-que sauce? I WOULD NEVER get ribs WITHOUT bar-b-que sauce. There wouldn't be a point to eating it dry. Same thing with a sandwich with nothing but meat and bread. WHY go out to eat to eat a dry sandwich? Just because you like things the way they come, doesn't mean EVERYONE does.

"You're so STUPID that you don't understand that a waitress bussing a table is good for all of the people who dine in a restaurant. You don't care about other people, just YOUR space."

NO, I WOULDN'T want the server to make ANYONE wait, whether it's ME or NOT. I know MOST people want to LEAVE when they ask for their checks. It's just COMMON SENSE! People don't want to be sitting there waiting for 10 minutes to leave. People don't want to watch the server clean up when they are ready to leave either. That's just DISRESPECTFUL to the customers that are WAITING to leave. If the server cared about their tip, they'd make sure the dishes WAITED and the CUSTOMERS WEREN'T WAITING. Remember, WHO TIPS THE SERVER? It's NOT THE DISHES or the table that needs bussing, it's the "CUSTOMERS!" So if the server makes them wait, OBVIOUSLY their tip WILL SUFFER some. There were times I could give more, but when I see they delay me for clean up, their tip DOES suffer some. They don't care about people's feelings or TIME that are waiting, just about cleaning up. So that proves they don't even care about their tip even. I don’t know too many people that want to wait to go home.

"YOUR space must be clean, but not that of other diners, until you leave."

As I stated before, I don't CARE if they take my dishes, I care about my requests. So, if I get my check BEFORE they take my plates, GREAT, I won't be waiting LONGER than I have to and the server will get a MUCH better tip for thinking of "the CUSTOMER'S" time instead of dishes.

spaz0matic

“Nobody requested anything.”

“I have gone to check on a table, the table asks me for another drink.”

You just said someone did REQUEST something, a DRINK!

“You dwell on it no matter if you get one or not so STFU.”

STFU too then if you want to be so UNCARING of a human that you wouldn’t even want to apologize probably, at least that’s the way you are acting by telling me to STFU.

I wouldn’t want to work at a place that would tell me HOW I’m supposed to deal with a mistake. I couldn’t fathom not saying sorry out of being nice and feeling bad for them. I had ALWAYS said I was sorry, even when the mistake wasn’t my own. Even when we were OUT of things like one time we were out of chocolate milk and I said “Sorry, we are out.” It’s NOT my fault, it’s the fault of the manager that didn’t order enough possibly or it could just be that people bought a lot and we just ran out. I also offered them something else since we were out to be nice.

“NO YOU DON’T! (I can use caps too.) You really don’t. I don’t care how many times you say it. You don’t know who needs what before you do.”

Actually, I DO! I CAN SEE if the server is going to a table to take plates or to ASKS something when they should be going do the requests that I’ve just given them INSTEAD. I am NOT blind; I can SEE what’s going on. I can see things right across from me also. I can see my server after taking my order going to another table instead of putting the order in. NO matter how many times you say it, I KNOW for a FACT what they are doing because I can SEE and even HEAR if they are chatting. One time, a waitress at Chili’s took my white russian order and went to another table where about 4 guy customers KISSED her hand as she put her hand out to let them kiss it as well as chatted with them. Needless to say, she made me wait LONGER for PLAYING, so she got 5% or so tip for her the rest of her bad service. She was at work, she had an order to put in, it’s not like she had NOTHING to do or something. She wants tips; she should WORK HARD FOR THEM. I CAN SEE EVERYTHING if I choose to WATCH. I KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON! HOW DARE YOU SAY I DON’T! You are really dumb if you think that customers don’t know who ordered first.

http://www.restaurantdoctor.com/books/basics.html

“Not providing service in the order of arrival
People become territorial. They expect that if they arrived first, they should be served before parties arriving or seated after them. It is not an unreasonable expectation.”

WHY would they have a BOOK even about GOING IN ORDER if NO ONE NOTICED? PEOPLE NOTICE, that’s why servers receive crummy tips sometimes, THEY KNOW if they just asked for the check that they are being DELAYED by the server because “THEY” decide to go to ANOTHER table and that it’s NOT the customer at that other table that is asking for them, it’s ALL the SERVER’S fault for DELAYING the customer from leaving.

“I anticipated the needs of my guests, and was ready when they needed something WITHOUT them having to ask.”

For one thing, they DON’T “NEED” ANYTHING, they WANT THINGS. What’s wrong with “ASKING” what the “CUSTOMER” would like? You may be WASTING YOUR TIME getting refills when they may NOT WANT ANY. WHY NOT let the CUSTOMER ORDER FOR THEMSELVES? You have NO RIGHT to order for THEM, NONE!

“the table on the way to the table that needed the drink asked for their check.”

Maybe if you would have gone to the table that needed the check, they wouldn’t have been waiting as LONG to ask for the check and then when you went to give the check you could have ASKED if the other table wanted a refill. Then you would have gone to get the refill and on the way back, ring up the table’s check. WHAT’S WRONG with that scenario?

Also, if they didn’t want a refill, then you wouldn’t have had to go to the bar for NOTHING possibly and made customers HAPPY by NOT putting something on their table they NEVER ORDERED.

http://p066.ezboard.com/fwouldyoulikefrieswiththatfrm10.showMessage?topicID=65.t opic&index=23

Nadeya wrote the 4th posts on that page:

"Believe in giving credit where credit is due.

To that end, i do have lords to thank for one thing. ever since i read her first post way back when, i started asking people if they wanted refills instead of automatically bringing them most of the time, since im usually right there when i notice they are low anyway.

I'm surprised how many people have an empty drink and refuse another, and yes, how many people switch drinks mid-meal! im so not kidding. maybe they reallly do appreciate being asked /shrug."

This is from bitterwaitress.com. See, there’s someone else that sees my point of view. See, some people REFUSE the refill or even switch drinks mid-meal. Instead of WASTING TIME and products of the company possibly if the customer ends up not wanting the refill, make sure the CUSTOMER actually wants you to go get the refill instead of PUSHING a drink on that customer like they HAVE TO TAKE IT.

You don’t realize you may be WASTING YOUR TIME getting refills for people that just don’t want anymore drink.

Coorslite
“She doesn't understand that feeding a child so that not only the parents but the other patrons in the restaurant will be more relaxed and not have to deal with a screaming child.”

It’s still NOT FAIR to cook food for a child first if the child ordered AFTER the adult just because they are a child. That is PREJUDICE and VERY UNFAIR as well as just plain WRONG!

“So by her rules... she deserves to die of lung cancer.”

I happen to AGREE. I put myself in smoky environments such as restaurants, bars, the bowling alley, pool hall, the donut shop for years, etc. So, YES, I CHOSE to go in those environments, NO ONE put a gun to my head and said I had to go to nightclubs to dance or work at that smoky donut shop. I KNEW and KNOW that second hand smoke is bad for us to breathe, but then we all would NEVER go places we like to go if we had to stay home just not to breathe smoke. So, YES, I could very well get lung cancer even though I’ve NEVER smoked in my lifetime. Christopher Reeve’s wife has lung cancer and she never smoked. It’s not really fair, but we usually ALL go to places that have smoke, therefore, we have a POSSIBLITY to get it. I think it would suck knowing I’ve never smoked to get that, but, I DID put MYSELF in situations where I was breathing it for LONG periods of time, so it WOULD BE MY FAULT if I got lung cancer that’s FOR SURE.

thegirl

“Adults know how to wait, and kids only know that their little tummies are hurting.”

It’s nice to know that you ONLY CARE about KID customers, NOT ADULTS. You act like ADULT customers aren’t as IMPORTANT as kid customers. HOW DARE YOU!

“You selfish, selfish whore.”

YOU are SELFISH to ONLY think of the “KID’S” orders and NOT the ADULTS. I NEVER slept around, so I’m NOT a whore.
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HOW DARE YOU!

You are the selfish, ignorant whore. YOU are selfish to only think of your own fat ass rather than a child. Every customer shares the same level importance, and you bet your ass I will always bring a child their food first if their parents ask me to do so. It makes everyone more comfortable, including your selfish and immoral ass.

By bringing a baby their dinner first, everyone gets a nice dinner...

By your own fubared logic, if you are eating your own dinner (that wonderful lean cuisine that you are so good at "making") and your own child wakes up and begins to cry because they are hungry, they'll just have to wait.

Here's a tip for you...parenting means sacrifice. You're so damn selfish that your kids will either die or get taken away by CPS.

And that's a shame. You would rather have a child suffer than wait for your dinner.

You are a horrible excuse for a human being, and I hope you die like my gram...which you still owe me an apology for.

Bitch.
"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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"big_momma
"Your typos aren't typos; yours are from poor education and language skills."

Aren't you just a tad CONCEDED"?

:guffaw!:

And I don't think that I'm being CONCEITED at all by laughing at the ignorance...

...perhaps you should CONCEDE now (that's "give up" to you).
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Teleburst,

I was cracking up too when I read her spelling of conceited. She did it more than once too so it wasn't a typo just a mistake. I could care less about spelling mistakes but the fact that she was yelling at someone was just too ironic.
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Lords,
I teach elemnetary school. Kindergarteners each lunch at 10:45, 1st graders at 11:15, and 2nd graders at 11:45. They are also given a morning snack and an afternoon snack. This is because children cannot go a long time without food. Put away everything you feel about fairness and ask yourself this....."Do I really want a small child to go hungry just to satisfy my need for fairness"?

Another thing to consider is that most children's food takes no time at all to make. Mac and cheese, hot dogs, even the noodles for pasta all get microwaved at places like Chili's and Applebee's and all those places you enjoy. Chicken strips are usually sitting under a heat lamp in these places and the mini burgers they give kids for kids meals take about 4 minutes on a grill. So at most you're probably talking about a 4 minute delay so a child can get their food first. Should the whole restaurant put up with a crying child so you can eat first? Do you like listening to crying children? I don't.
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No I have poor English skills because I really did mean to type "threw"... As in threw your eyes from the post and into your brain. Also when I worked with a pos I would always put the kids meal in first... and sometimes just to let the cooks know that the child was fussy I would add on the fly PLEASE! And if the child starts out normal but then gets fussy... go to the kitchen and ask the expo to ask the cook to fly the brat basket asap. Why because I not only care about this child getting his food, I care about the other tables having to listen to it! Most places I have worked at always have something working where they can rearrange an adult meal to meet the needs of a child. Yes delaying the adults meal a couple of minutes. But also those minutes are quiet because the child now has the food and is happy! No one does any of this to be mean. We do it for the entire restaurant. No one but you would rather listen to a kid scream because it's hungry while you are dipping your fries in ranch and bbq and tartar randomly. The other 40 people in the area are thinking... "SOMEONE BRING THAT KID SOME FOOD AND SHUT IT UP!" If for some strange reason the kitchen can't hurry up the child's order, usually the fry cook has extra fries or a stray chicken finger he will let the server have to quiet the child. So while you don't think it's fair and the whole world should stand up and take notice of only you... the true waitress bartender cook food runner expo is trying to make sure everyone is happy and have what they need. Sometimes life just happens and MOST people seem to be able to deal with it. You however have a serious problem with getting a grip on life! The people you think are out to get you and make your meal, drinks, into the worst day of you life.... that's all in your miserable little mind! You spew that you don't want a miserable time yet you always have one. Do you really hate yourself that much that for one minute you can't forgive someone that is busting thier ass to do the MANY tasks at hand and just enjoy the fact that you are alive and can afford to go out to eat? So big_momma typo away! I can always drink enough to understand anything you type and read your posts every word! The whole i before e except after 8 beers is okay with me! However lords I will never be able to drink enough to think like you! I'm 40 years old and know that what you say is out of ignorance. You just have no clue how the real world works. I could almost feel sorry for you but you won't listen and you intentionally hurt people I have a lot of respect for... thegirl, jenaclaree, jammie, spaz, jysi, to name a few... (the rest please don't be offended I didn't call your name! Not roll call just examples! Smile!) They know what they are talking about when it comes to people and serving. You don't yet you keep spreading your misery with all of us. Let us all know if you ever develope some manners! Maybe that should be your next websearch. Look up where to apologize to someone you have insulted with a personal attack on that person's dead family memember.And then come back with a sincere apology to thegirl and after that MAYBE we can help you with you other issues!
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CONCEDED? Thanks for a great belly laugh on that one you loser! I spewed cheese soup on my computer screen.

ASS said: "Also, you said in previous posts in the past that you'd be embarrassed to order all the stuff I order, well that tells me how shy and passive of a person are you when it comes to ordering. I have the COURAGE and CONFIDENCE in myself to ask for EXACTLY what I want, so I can be HAPPY with my meal. You, on the other hand, would rather have your food not as you’d like it than to ask for something. You said you didn't care for onions on a past posts a long time ago, but what if the burger has onions cooked in it? Would you eat it or would you have wished that you would have had the CONFIDENCE to ASKS for WHAT YOU WANT? See, if I ordered it with NO ONIONS, I WOULD have gotten what "I", the CUSTOMER, wanted, whether I would have had to send it back or not. You would be to shy to say anything, HOW PATHETIC!"

You think I'm shy and passive? Little girl, I didn't get where I am today by being shy and passive. I just have the class to not run my servers and expect to be the center of their world. I have so much self-confidence that I don't need to watch every move my server makes so I can catch them "dissing" me in the order in which they do things. I have much more IMPOTENT things to do. Oh wait, I meant IMPORTANT things to do. You're the IMPOTENT one.

ASS drivels on: "I have the COURAGE and CONFIDENCE in myself to ask for EXACTLY what I want, so I can be HAPPY with my meal."

I thought of you on the subway yesterday ASS when a beggar got on the train. He had the COURAGE AND CONFIDENCE to get on the train and demand everybody's attention while he told his tale of woe and begged for money. Guess what? I wasn't impressed. Nobody was. He was annoying, just like you.

So how's that mailroom job working for you? Did you get it through a special needs agency? I only ask because we get our mailroom help from an organization that places mentally-disadvantaged people in jobs. They're just delightful people though, unlike you. We take good care of them. Maybe that's why your former employer thought you should be escorted to your car, she was trying to take care of you.

And no, I'm not CONCEITED. I've just worked hard to get where I am, just like most everybody on this board and in this world have. I'm proud of myself and that's not conceit. Everything I have in this world is what I've earned, unlike you.

“Adults know how to wait, and kids only know that their little tummies are hurting.”

ASS said: "It’s nice to know that you ONLY CARE about KID customers, NOT ADULTS. You act like ADULT customers aren’t as IMPORTANT as kid customers. HOW DARE YOU!"

Listen LOSER, kids come first at all times, in all circumstances. Whether they're hungry, cold, have to use the bathroom, whatever, KIDS ALWAYS COME FIRST. You're the type of person that if a ship were sinking, you'd cut a kid off to get into a lifeboat.


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big_momma I LOVE YOU!
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i think if you were to poll a 1000 people only lords would say someone asking them "how are you doing today" is offensive.

fck off and die pls

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like those commercials....4 out of 5......9 out of 10....etc...
Lords is that one person or that 1% that disagrees or dislikes it.

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SG87: "like those commercials....4 out of 5......9 out of 10....etc...
Lords is that one person or that 1% that disagrees or dislikes it. "

Lords is the fifth dentist... the one out of 5 who doesn't recommend trident.

Yeah Lordsy... if the servers don't treat you like the gold you think you are, you don't like it when they talk to you, and you don't like being given a free refill seriously eat at home. Get a fcking life.

YOU have a husband?? How is that possible? It seems like you are married to bitterwaitress.



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i believe in giving credit where credit is due.

to that end, i do have lords to thank for one thing. ever since i read her first post way back when, i started asking people if they wanted refills instead of automatically bringing them most of the time, since im usually right there when i notice they are low anyway.

im surprised how many people have an empty drink and refuse another, and yes, how many people switch drinks mid-meal! im so not kidding. maybe they reallly do appreciate being asked /shrug



okay some of the post before the compliance with lords... they hate you! But we love us and life! Get it THREW your head?
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Aw shucks Coorslite you know I love you too. I keep telling myself I won't come back here but it's like the proverbial train wreck you don't want to look at but you can't help yourself.

This moron thinks she's smarter than anyone here and can tell servers how to do their jobs, while she admits on bitterwaitress how hard the job is. Yet she's too dumb to do any job besides file clerk and mailroom jobs, both of which are jobs kids do part time while attending high school. She doesn't have the guts or brains to work as a server. She couldn't even get a serving job when she tried.

Anybody over the age of 18 working in a mailroom doesn't really have enough intelligence to tell anybody else how to do ANYTHING.

And the whole spelling thing? Everybody makes typos on boards like this. I really do have a "thing" about grammar and spelling though. It just grates on my very last nerve that Lords will sit on her high horse spewing her idiocy in barely understandable language and tell people smarter than her that she's right and they're wrong. If you can't get a decent post out when you DO use spell-check and use a simple word like ask/asks incorrectly and then use condeded for conceited, I'm pretty sure you're brain-damaged.

I wouldn't let this idiot handle my mail. If she was in my place she wouldn't last 2 days. So I'm sorry, but I don't take one thing she says seriously. She's just too stupid.
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by the way Nadeya, I can't take the credit for helping YOU with my REFILL policy, you are a just a GOOD SERVER My only purpose is to make GOOD SERVERS lives MISERABLE with my UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS! I am your WORST NIGHTMARE When y'all see THIS BITCH coming through they SCATTER like BIRDS in a THUNDERSTORM Come take a walk in MY WARPED MIND! Crazy, you wouldn't know what CRAZY was if CHARLES MANSON was eating FROOT LOOPS on your FRONT PORCH GOD I GET OFF ON BEING A BITCH ANONYMOUSLY I'M COMING FOR YOUR SOULS NEXT YOU PATHETIC FOOLS!



any comment on this post lords? hmmm
and your apology for thegirl?
You are so wonderful! Spell check me!Tried to be reasonable with you but couldn't get it THREW your head because you suck! Yep getting mean at what you are spewing on here and bitterwaitress. Get SERIOUS!
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big_momma you always know how to make me smile! I try to be almost human to it but you know it's Sat nite and she is out making someone's life as miserable as hers and not tipping because some child got some cold fries in front of her!


I miss you, I will send you an email when I can get the lords crap out of my head, right now I am so ill that she was so MEAN to all of us that I can't see me giving you the respect you deserve! Love you!
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Coorslite I'll look forward to your email! I got my digital camera and I'll have some pictures to send to you soon!

You know, we all deserve respect. All humans and animals and even our planet deserve respect. The problem with Lords is that she thinks respect is something to be earned by serving her and "treating her like gold".

I treat everybody with respect. I don't have to know them, they don't have to earn it, it's just a natural thing. Until of course, you earn my disrespect. Then I'll squash you like a bug.

;)

Lords deserves no respect. She's a cretin.
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DISCUSSION QUESTIONS

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1. Suppose you were driving in a traffic jam and you suddenly realized you have to cut across two lanes of bumper-to-bumper traffic to turn right at the next corner. What’s the first thing you would do? Why?

2. What would you have done if someone tried to cut in front of you in traffic without asking your permission? Why? Has seeing this video changed your mind?

3. In the video Dr. Mike received a FAX from a teenager who is tired of all the put-downs at her school. Do you have the same problems at your school? What do you think can be done about it?

4. How do you feel when someone judges you without knowing you or giving you a chance? How do you feel when someone you disagree with calls you a name? How do you feel when someone bumps into you in the hall and doesn't apologize?

5. Agree or disagree: Courtesy and politeness are a lot of nonsense.

6. In the video one teen said that if someone shows you respect, you should show respect in return. Do you agree? How do you feel if you treat someone with respect and that person responds with rudeness? If someone insults you, should you insult that person in return?

7. One girl in the video makes the point that you don't have to respect everyone, you simply have to treat people with respect. What’s the difference? Do you agree with her point of view? Explain.

8. Agree or disagree: When people stay out of a bully’s way, they are showing respect.

9. Mike's advice to Kim is to establish some rules and make them stick. What are your rules for respectful behavior?

10. How did the story of Brian Harris and his pen-pal service make you feel? What did you learn from it?

11. Do you think Brian’s pen-pal service is making our world a better place to live in? In what way?

12. What can you do to make this a more respectful world?

13. Does respect play a role in harmonious race relations? Explain.

14. Do you think that people in our society are respectful enough of each other? Why?

15. Do you consider yourself to be a respectful person? Why, or why not? In what ways do you show respect to others?

16. How is respect related to fairness? To caring? To the Golden Rule? To violence?

17. What does respect have to do with the quality of your character?

18. What are the benefits of people treating each other with respect?

19. Did the video present any ideas you disagree with?

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WRITING ASSIGNMENTS

1. How does government "of, by, and for the people" depend on respect? Write an essay connecting the concepts of democracy and respect. How is listening to different points of view a sign of respect and a cornerstone of democracy? What is it about the concept of democracy that relies upon mutual respect among people? How is the very concept of democracy related to respect for the individual?

2. Watch a sitcom on television, and then write about how the actions of the characters demonstrated either respectful or disrespectful behavior.

3. Bullies are often trying to make people "respect" them. Is this really respect, or is it fear? What is the difference? How is bullying and violent behavior an act of disrespect?

4. Write about a time when you were disrespectful to someone. Why did it happen? Was it the right thing to do? What were the consequences? How did it make the other person feel? What did you learn from the experience?

5. Describe three things you could do to be a more respectful person. How would that affect your relationships with others? How does it benefit you to be a respectful person?

6. In the video one teen talks about a ripple effect: If one person treats another with respect, the respect begins to spread out from there. Write an editorial for your school newspaper encouraging students to start the "respect ripple effect." Describe what it could accomplish in your school setting.



STUDENT ACTIVITIES

1. Conduct a survey in your school or community, asking questions like these. Do you think people are respectful enough? What are some disrespectful acts that really annoy you? What are some respectful acts that you especially appreciate? Compile the results into a report.

2. Brainstorm ways to make your school environment more respectful. Create a list of recommendations and place them in your school newspaper or on a poster.

3. Divide the class into small groups. Have each group develop a list of do’s and don’ts for being a respectful person. Have them make oral reports to the class addressing the following questions: What happens when people live in accordance with these guidelines. What happens when they don’t. In what ways does respectful and disrespectful behavior affect our community and society?

4. Bring in articles from newspapers and magazines describing situations in which respect or disrespect are issues. Talk about who is acting respectfully, and who is acting disrespectfully in these situations. Using the articles as evidence, tell the class about the consequences of disrespectful and respectful behaviors.

5. Role play some typical situations in which disrespectful behavior leads to hostility and maybe even violence. Then, change one of the disrespectful actions into one of respect and see how the outcome changes.

Can any of this help you lords or do you want to search out your own anal website that hates you?


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NEW YORK - In the eyes of her stepfather, 7-year-old Nixzmary Brown was an out-of-control troublemaker. She stole money from her parents and broke her siblings' toys, she stole milk from a younger sibling and broke their computer printer, he said.

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And when he found that she had gone into the refrigerator and taken a cup of yogurt she wasn't supposed to have, he flew into a rage.

Police say Cesar Rodriguez beat the little girl to death, then tossed her on the floor of what was known in the family's apartment as the "dirty room," a rodent-infested room where she had been tied up and left with only a litter box as a toilet.

During a jail interview with newspaper reporters, Rodriguez did not admit fatally beating his stepdaughter but said: "I have a lot of guilt."

"I'm sorry about all that happened. I have a problem with my emotions. It builds up and I hold it all in. I emotionally just burst," he said.

Nixzmary's killing reverberated throughout the city. Hundreds of strangers showed up at her funeral, and the case has been a daily fixture in the tabloids newspapers. It also has forced a major shake-up at the city's child protection agency.

"It touched everyone," said Caridad Ramos, 44, Nixzmary's great aunt.

Rodriguez, 27, and Nixzmary's mother, Nixzaliz Santiago, 27, are charged with multiple felony counts, including second-degree murder. Rodriguez also is accused of molesting Nixzmary and abusing her five siblings.

Both have pleaded not guilty.

The case has shocked the most seasoned investigators and child advocates.

"The circumstances of the abuse this girl suffered were horrifying and among the most tragic that I've ever come across," said Erik Pitchal, director of the Center for Family and Child Advocacy at the Fordham School of Law. "The manner in which she spent her last days is heart wrenching."

There had been warning signs.

Last May, a guidance counselor at Nixzmary's school reported the child had missed 47 days of school. The city's Administration for Children's Services responded immediately but closed the case weeks later.

The agency failed to find "educational neglect when it was clear the girl had not been attending school," said ACS Commissioner John Mattingly.

In early December, ACS received another complaint about Nixzmary. She, her siblings and her stepfather were interviewed but Mattingly said caseworkers were unable to gain access to Nixzmary's home. The case stalled.

Santiago's relatives said they didn't know what was taking place. They lost contact after Nixzmary moved from Puerto Rico to New York several years ago.

Ramos, Santiago's aunt, said she hadn't seen Nixzmary in four years.

"If the family had been aware this never would have happened," Ramos said. "Never. Never. Never."

An indictment alleges that, beginning on New Year's Day, Rodriguez used anything he could to subdue the little girl he described as "a handful," including a belt, a piece of wood, a bungee cord.

Authorities said he bought yogurt for his children but refused to give Nixzmary any.

On the night of Jan. 10, Nixzmary's mother discovered one of the yogurt cups was missing, and she went to Rodriguez. The frightened girl denied taking it, but one of the other children tattled, authorities say.

Later, Rodriguez discovered his computer printer was broken.

He stripped Nixzmary of her clothes and beat her in front of Santiago, Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes said.

He dragged her into the bathroom and repeatedly dunked her head under the cold water, and loud banging noises and screams of "Mommy" were heard throughout the apartment, authorities say. Rodriguez carried Nixzmary's limp body into the dirty room and tossed her to the floor, Hynes said.

Along with Nixzmary's slaying, the ACS's record has been highlighted by the bumbling of two recent cases in which another 7-year-old girl was murdered and a baby drowned.

Since her death, six ACS employees have been suspended or reassigned. In just the first week, the agency received 2,170 reports of child abuse and neglect, a 71 percent increase from the same period a year ago.

Before Nixzmary's little white coffin was laid to rest, the Rev. Robert O'Neil said her nightmare was finally over.

"Nixzmary is now surrounded by love, beyond the touch of evil," he said.


another reason why you are alive lords and a child is killed. rest easy tonight. You were probably treated unfair by someone. we all know that! 4 seconds 10 minutes whatever.
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coorslite
"by the way Nadeya, I can't take the credit for helping YOU with my REFILL policy, you are a just a GOOD SERVER My only purpose is to make GOOD SERVERS lives MISERABLE with my UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS! I am your WORST NIGHTMARE When y'all see THIS BITCH coming through they SCATTER like BIRDS in a THUNDERSTORM Come take a walk in MY WARPED MIND! Crazy, you wouldn't know what CRAZY was if CHARLES MANSON was eating FROOT LOOPS on your FRONT PORCH GOD I GET OFF ON BEING A BITCH ANONYMOUSLY I'M COMING FOR YOUR SOULS NEXT YOU PATHETIC FOOLS!"

You said "any comment on this post lords? hmmm"

For one thing, since I WASN'T registered, ANYONE could post with my name and that is what REALLY happened. Since I've register as LOA, I've not had ANY problems.

This is PROOF: http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2916.html#POST11745

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I am proving I can still posts with this name.

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This is LOA proving a point that I can posts as another person.


"This is PROOF that I actually posted under a DIFFRENT NAME. I HONESTLY didn't write those posts that you quoted from bitterwaitress. Try posting from the Lords name on bitterwaitress and make up a password. I bet you can posts something there with NO PROBLEM like I did with "neveraserver." I just posted from that name neveraserver and that was never my name on bitterwaitress. I just picked some unregistered user at random to prove a point that it ISN'T me."

My point is, I didn't write some of the posts that were under my name at the time because I NEVER registered.
http://p066.ezboard.com/fwouldyoulikefrieswiththatfrm10.showMessage?topicID=384. topic

Why don't you try to post as soapbox or Lords? I bet you can because Lords and soapbox aren't registered names? Try ANY name even with ANY password. I PROMISE, I didn't write that posts, HONESTLY.

big_momma
"DO use spell-check"

99% of the time, I NEVER use spell-check. I have NO CLUE WHERE you got that information? I NEVER said that, EVER.

"Yet she's too dumb to do any job besides file clerk and mailroom jobs."


NO, it's called "LACK OF EXPERIENCE." People didn't hire me also because of SO MANY applicants. One company, I remember in 2004, when I had been laid off, sent me a letter stating they had OVER 200 applicants. NOW, HOW IN THE HELL AM I SUPPOSE TO COMPETE WITH PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE OR THAT KNOWS SOMEONE THERE?

I have also had a call for an interview that the guy told me he had over 300 applicants. HOW IN THE HELL WOULD I GET THAT WITH ONLY a 1 yr and 4 months(at the time) experience? I have called one place one time that said "DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE?" We DON'T have "TIME" to TRAIN!

So, I can't help that I didn't have that. I CAN'T change my pasts. So, once I get 5 years experience, I can maybe find something that pays more. Some job ads state "3-5 yrs experience." When I first started looking for an office job, some TEMP places said "6 months experience to be CONSIDERED." It's like "HOW THE HELL YOU SUPPOSE TO GET EXPERIENCE, if NO ONE let's you through the door at a TEMP job even?" If I would have known someone, that would have been the ONLY WAY at that temp agency. I got married in May 2002, and couldn't find anything until Aug. 2002, looking about the second week in June after my honeymoon going to interviews and applying to jobs. I had interviews, but they NEVER picked me. They always had TOO MANY APPLICANTS and unless you know someone that knows someone or you have a LOT of experience, you don't have much of a CHANCE.

I have also TURNED DOWN interviews because I found out I wasn't interested over the phone. I didn't want to work weekends or run errands using my vehicle instead of a COMPANY vehicle. I even turned down interviews sometimes because they told me the pay over the phone. So, I was PICKY. I don't see ANYTHING WRONG with that.

coorslite
I haven't seen a video, but I would like to answer some of these questions.

"1. Suppose you were driving in a traffic jam and you suddenly realized you have to cut across two lanes of bumper-to-bumper traffic to turn right at the next corner. What’s the first thing you would do? Why?"

This is what I REALLY HAVE DONE: I have made a U-TURN NOT to BLOCK traffic ILLEGALLY and NOT to just think of "MYSELF." I HATE when others do that to me to get into a lane, so I NEVER do it to them. I would just make a u-turn left and go back to where I was at and go far enough to be able to GET INTO the lane I need to be in as well as make a u-turn to get back to the direction I was facing.

"What would you have done if someone tried to cut in front of you in traffic without asking your permission? Why?"

If they don't have their turn signal on, I TRY NOT to let them in. FOLLOWING THE LAW IS THE LAW. If I have to put my signal on to change lanes, SO SHOULD THEY NOT be SO DAMN LAZY TO PULL A LEVER. If it would cause an accident probably, I would have NO CHOICE BUT to let them in, but I WOULD and HAVE HONKED on INCONSIDERATE people like that. At least have a SIGNAL ON. HOW HARD IS IT TO PULL A LEVER DOWN, you know?

"I am considerate of other people."

I AM. When I'm in a parking lot, I NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, wait for a space UNLESS someone is backing out and I want that space. I NEVER HOLD UP people for "MY" space by waiting when the person hasn't even gotten in their vehicle yet or doesn't have their back up lights on. That is just SO INCONSIDERATE to hold up people or block someone that can't back up, like I've had done twice before. I had to wait for "SOMEONE ELSE'S SPACE" they wanted, meanwhile, I COULDN'T back up even, I was LITERALLY TRAPPED for "THEIR" space. I couldn't go around them safely. This lady I went to the second time it happened said "I'm NOT going to INCONVENIENCE myself." It's like, THE ONLY THING she cared about was "HER" space, NOT the person behind me's time or MINE, which was BLOCKED. She told me I could get by, but there's NO WAY, I TRIED. I WASN'T about to risks hitting her car. I NEVER hold up people for "ME." I ALWAYS BACK my car INTO a space if I see someone coming, I NEVER make them WAIT FOR ME to pull out. I've had people sit and wait for me to back out as well as have their signal on, which meant they wanted my space, so ONLY THEN would I pull out. When the light is green, I am CONSIDERATE enough NOT to be looking through my car and PAY ATTENTION to get going. Some people are so INCONSIDERATE. One time, a lady in a Suburban got OUT of her seat and looked in the back. My car is small, so at first I didn't see that she wasn't going, but all the traffic went that was in the lane next to me as well as the people in front of her. I honked LONG and I saw her reappear in the BACK of her vehicle. It's like, HOW SELFISH can a PERSON BE to do that at a light? I have the decency if I need to look for something, to go to a gas station or even park on the shoulder if I have a problem, but to get out of the person's seat belt and look in the back of a big vehicle is just plain SELFISH. Another time, a lady in front of the Superdome at a light got COMPLETELY OUT of her vehicle to asks the person in front of me directions. When the light turned green, she was STILL out of her car. I honked LONG AND HARD for that INCONSIDERATE BITCH! It's like, you need directions, YOU PULL OVER, NOT HOLD EVERYONE UP. MEAN, MEAN, MEAN people in this world. I NEVER would do something so selfish, EVER! I missed the light OF COURSE because of that BITCH! People are REALLY INCONSIDERATE of "OTHER'S" time and ONLY concerned with their "OWN."

"Why because I not only care about this child getting his food, I care about the other tables having to listen to it!"

That is STILL NOT FAIR to make people wait LONGER for their food if the child ordered AFTER the adults at another table did and it was something that let's say that was ordered 10 minutes before, but serve the child first, ONLY because they are a child, UNLESS the food happened to be done BEFORE the adults, that's the ONLY exception that is really fair as long as the food of the child's was cooked AFTER the adults. THAT'S NOT FAIR at ALL to put a person's(NO MATTER WHAT AGE) food BEFORE someone that ordered BEFORE they did. I would NEVER treat people UNFAIRLY like that whether they had to hear crying or not. WHO CARES if I hear crying, I am hungry or thirsty or want my check, I'd rather get my requests FASTER than to worry about a crying child. So would the REST of the people that don't like waiting either. I KNOW, because people have griped to me at the donut shop because they waited a few minutes MORE for things, even though, the drive-thru ordered BEFORE she did, this lady was saying "We're giving all the dozens to drive-thru and that was OUR dozen donuts." Which WASN'T TRUE, drive-thru ordered FIRST. Customers don't seem to get, FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.

"No one but you would rather listen to a kid scream because it's hungry while you are dipping your fries in ranch and bbq and tartar randomly."

NO, other people don't like waiting either and YOU KNOW that's the TRUTH!

"Most places I have worked at always have something working where they can rearrange an adult meal to meet the needs of a child."

You are AGE DISCRIMATING, which is AGAINST the LAW! You can't LEGALLY DISCRIMINATE by making adults meals after a child, if an adult ordered their food WAY BEFORE a child's order. That's WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED, otherwise, WHY IN THE HELL DO THEY HAVE THAT SAYING? It's because it's the TRUTH!

"The other 40 people in the area are thinking... "SOMEONE BRING THAT KID SOME FOOD AND SHUT IT UP!"

You HONESTLY, have NO CLUE what they are thinking. I bet they're thinking, "I'm hungry, HOW MUCH LONGER IS IT GOING TO TAKE?" THAT is what MOST CUSTOMERS are REALLY THINKING, HONESTLY, THEY ARE, otherwise WHY would have I gotten people that bitched at me for their orders taking a LONG TIME? People DON'T LIKE WAITING FOR THINGS, WHO REALLY DOES HONESTLY? I'd rather NEVER have a line of people ahead of me, WOULDN'T YOU? I'd rather get my food as fast as possible. Even if, for me, meant my appetizer was interrupted by my meal coming out. I think it's a little nicer to have the appetizer BEFORE the meal, but I'd rather my entree be EARLIER, than have wait even 4 minutes longer for an entree that is delayed because of a child that ordered 10 minutes AFTER I did. That's just plain WRONG! You don't fix someone's food in a line out of order, WHY WOULD YOU at a non-fast food restaurant? You are VERY DISCRIMINATORY! I can't understand WHY you think a child's order is MORE IMPORTANT than an adult's order if the child ordered WAY AFTER the adult did? I don't give a care if the child is crying, SO WHAT. MOST people care about "WHO THEY ARE WITH", NOT what's going on AROUND THEM, UNLESS they are in Church, then it may be annoying to have crying while there is suppose to be silence at certain times. Customers care HOW LONG their food will take, NOT a crying child. YOU KNOW that's the GOD'S TRUTH! WHY would they have complaints.com where customers GRIPED about "HOW LONG" they had to "WAIT" for things?" A crying child REALLY DOESN'T BOTHER me in the LEAST. I care about my hunger and so does the REST OF THE PEOPLE in the world. They don't give a care about a crying child, they care about feeding their faces. That is the TRUTH and YOU KNOW IT! Especially if they had to wait for a table for an hour or more, they are TIRED OF WAITING.

I can't believe you think people want to actually wait LONGER for things.

"Yes delaying the adults meal a couple of minutes. But also those minutes are quiet because the child now has the food and is happy!"

It's SO MEAN that you ONLY, ONLY, ONLY, care about the "CHILD", but NOT the "ADULT CUSTOMER'S HUNGER, just the "CHILD'S crying and hunger" matters to YOU. HOW MEAN and SELFISH person are you! VERY INCONSIDERATE of adults that order BEFORE the children, VERY! Just because they are a child, SHOULDN'T mean they should get "SPECIAL" treatment. The child is a "CUSTOMER" like EVERYONE ELSE, so treat them EXACTLY the SAME way. Customers should get the "EXACT SAME TREATMENT AS EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, ELSE." It's the ONLY FAIR THING TO DO AND THE MORAL THING TO DO! What an INCONSIDERATE human being you are!

I can't believe you think that a "CHILD's TIME" is "MORE IMPORTANT" than an ADULT'S TIME, when "MY" time is JUST AS IMPORTANT as a CHILD'S TIME. There's NO DIFFERENCE there at ALL! NO person's time, NO MATTER "WHAT AGE" is MORE IMPORTANT than ANYONE ELSE'S TIME. There should NEVER, EVER, EVER, be a person that gets "SPECIAL" treament, EVER! It's just NOT FAIR and NOT the "RIGHT THING" to do and YOU KNOW IT! It's really NOT fair for me to wait 4 minutes longer to have a child get their order before me, if I've ordered BEFORE them as far as it being cooked after the child's food. If an adult ordered BEFORE a child at another table, that order SHOULD be cooked BEFORE the child's order. That is HOW IT SHOULD BE. When you are in a line, do you have to wait to pay at the grocery store after someone else if you just got your groceries rung up? NO, so WHY make a person in a restaurant wait LONGER for their food if they happened to order BEFORE the child did? Be FAIR and treat people 100% EQUALLY. Meaning, if there is a mistake, asks the manager about giving them a freebie. Don't give a freebie JUST because you "KNOW" them unless you are willing to "PAY" for it "YOURSELF." That would be DISCRIMINATION if you would give a freebie just because you knew someone, but didn't pay for it. Even if it's a star, like let's say Madonna walked in, SO WHAT, she should be treated EXACTLY the SAME WAY as EVERYONE ELSE in that restaurant. I would make her pay for EVERYTHING and NO FREEBIES. She is still a person like EVERYONE ELSE, she's NOT GOD or something. She should NEVER get preferential treatment. She should pay the ENTIRE bill like EVERYONE ELSE has to do. That's the ONLY FAIR WAY TO BE! For instance, I met 2 newscasters in this local area that came to the donut shop. One was a news guy "George Ryan." I didn't give him the food he ordered for free, I made him pay like EVERYONE ELSE had to. NO FREEBIES for NO mistakes. I happen to notice that he was on tv, but I didn't give him the food for free, that would have been WRONG of me COMPLETELY! My point is, I treated people the SAME, so WHY children customers should be treated ANY DIFFERENT from ANYONE ELSE'S HUNGER? IT'S just NOT FAIR or RIGHT!
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Lords you've finally made my jaw drop in shock. I can't believe you find yourself more important than an innocent, hungry child.

Your time isn't important. You waste your life making these stupid, ignorant posts.

I beg of you, please don't have children.
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"I can't believe you find yourself more important than an innocent, hungry child."

I NEVER said I was "MORE IMPORTANT." If anything, I said I was "JUST AS IMPORANT", meaning if a child ordered BEFORE me, then they should get SERVED BEFORE ME, plain and simple, whether there age is 5yrs old or 50 yrs old, WHO CARES WHAT AGE THEY ARE?

If I'm BEFORE them, then my food SHOULD be cooked BEFORE THEIRS. It's ONLY FAIR!
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"IMPORANT"

I made a typo. I did that posts rather quickly. I meant IMPORTANT, Sorry.
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Lords, I should be in bed but your last post is disturbing. I can't believe that you're so self-centered that you think children should get into a line behind you for anything.

Your mentality frightens me. It's bad enough that you treat servers badly, but kids should "be in line" behind you?

Children always come first, in everything. The kindness people bestow upon them turns them into kind, thoughtful people. Nobody considered you special when you were a chiild, that's obvious.

All you care about is yourself. Not hungry children, not over-worked servers, not your dirty environment if tables don't get bussed. With you it's ME ME ME!

You're a pig, plain and simple.
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big_momma
"Children always come first, in everything."

HOW PREJUDICE is that statement? VERY, VERY, VERY! Children are customers too, so treat them "JUST" as important as adults.

"All you care about is yourself."

NO, I care about the people that are BEFORE me, to go BEFORE me, to be FAIR!

"Not hungry children."

So Adults don't matter, just Children to you, HOW SELFISH are YOU? MEANIE!

ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS CHILDREN. What truly matters is the ORDER they are in, meaning, if I'm in line or I'm next, then I'm next. The six children in the back of me SHOULD NEVER get their food cooked BEFORE mine if I'm in front of them or I have ordered BEFORE they did. That is ONLY FAIR. WHO CARES WHAT THE HELL "AGE" they happen to be, it's "WHO'S FIRST" that COUNTS. In a line, you don't go by "WHAT AGE", you go by "WHO'S NEXT?" So WHY NOT in a non-fast food place?

You are COMPLETELY AN UNFAIR HUMAN BEING! VERY INCONSIDERATE of "WHO CAME FIRST" and waited the "LONGEST" to place their order?"
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lords, you just cant let it drop, you have to fight till the end, defending your position. Kids do come first, period end that's it. 99% of the worlds population think children should come first, before you. Given the option of waiting a possible 5 minutes for a meal and having a child made comfortable or getting you meal and listening to a child scream because they are hungry. Most would want for the child to be fed, no matter who got there first. When my child cried it was always very upsetting to me. I didnt want my child to cry, he wasn't crying because he was happy. Even if he was just fussy I would pick him up to comfort him. Even now at 14 when I notice he is restless or not his happy peppy self I always ask if I can help him. Or give him that extra hug, his needs come before everybody else on the face of this planet as it should be.
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What the F is your problem. How do you think a restaraunt works. Your making it sound like the whole kitchen shuts down if someone wants to bring a childs order out first. And if your server has already put other peoples orders in like she should because she went in order than the other tables food should already be cooking. It's not like they are going to stop cooking. It doesn't take a lot to cook french fries or mac n cheese. This is something that the chef themselves if they were really busy would probably ask someone else like one of the other cooks. Cooks know how to manage time. Why make a starving kid wait 30 minutes if one of their parents ordered a large steak that takes a long time to cook when they could have their food in less than 10 minutes. I promise you that it will not disturb your order. Not even a little bit. So relax. You probably wouldn't be the nice person that would give your place up in the bathroom line so a little kid wouldn't be their pants because it would waste your time. Your mean.... you don't think of anyone else, even though you say you do but I guess you don't consider kids to be apart of that.
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"Kids do come first, period end that's it."

Well, HOW COME if I'm in line at McDonald's, that (2) 5 yrs olds don't cut in front of me if I'm BEFORE them? Maybe it's REALLY BECAUSE it goes by the "ORDER THEY CAME IN?"

"Most would want for the child to be fed, no matter who got there first."

NO, YOU'RE WRONG 100%. MOST people DON'T want to wait LONGER for "ANY" and I mean "ANY" reason.

renasue
"Why make a starving kid wait 30 minutes if one of their parents ordered a large steak that takes a long time to cook when they could have their food in less than 10 minutes."

Same thing with ADULT'S food. WHY make me wait 30 minutes for a salad entree just because my husband orders a steak? SAME DIFFERENCE! I would say UNLESS the parent would say to make the child's meal like an APPETIZER, that the child should get their food at the SAME TIME at the adult's food since they do this SAME CONCEPT with adult's. Tell me WHY should a kid get PREFERENTIAL treatment just because of his or her age? They SHOULDN'T it's just NOT FAIR or RIGHT!

I understand that a menu has certain prices for kids or senior citizens sometimes. That is different though, in that, we all were young and were able to get discounts when we were young and when we get to 65 yrs old, we will be able to get discounts too like the senior citizens that get that now. So, that is FAIR, because we will ALL and have gotten discounts for being a certain age more than likely. Where as, in a restaurant, the order goes by "WHO'S FIRST."

"You probably wouldn't be the nice person that would give your place up in the bathroom line so a little kid wouldn't be their pants because it would waste your time."

OF COURSE NOT, it goes by "WHO'S NEXT", NOT "if they are a kid or not." So "MY" having to go to the bathroom is NOT as important as theirs? I DON'T think so, they are EQUALLY as important, meaning, since I happen to be in line in front of them, I go BEFORE they do to be FAIR. That's RUDE to others behind me if they are like fourth in line. That's WRONG! It's not being nice to the second and third people that have to go, that MIGHT actually have diarrhea, so they have a MORE EMERGENCY than a kid that has to urinate. Diarrhea, is MUCH HARDER to stop than if you just have to urinate badly and YOU KNOW IT! So, I really don't get WHY you think a kid should go BEFORE an adult if they are behind me in line?

In a grocery store, I don't see the cashiers ask the fourth person in line, just because they are getting a pack of gum and they happen to be a kid. That would be VERY RUDE to the other 3 people in line, just because of their age. I see people taking people in the ORDER they come in, NOT age DISCRIMINATING as far as what order the next person gets served. So WHY in the HELL do it at a non-fast food restaurant?

"Why make a starving kid wait 30 minutes?"

I don't get WHY "ALL YOU SEEM TO CARE ABOUT IS THE KID?" You don't care about ANYONE ELSE'S FEELINGS OR TIME. What a MEAN person you are and VERY, VERY, VERY, INCONSIDERATE person. That is REALLY NOT FAIR.

If I'm a Burger King and there are kids behind me, do you think it's right just because they are kids to CUT? If you do, you are VERY INCONSIDERATE and that isn't MORALLY right to do that. What if there are 5 kids, according to your logic, I'm suppose to have to wait for 5 kids to order their food before I get to, even though I was AHEAD of them in line? What's the damn point of a line or going in order, if you aren't going to do it for EVERYONE, to be FAIR and EQUAL to EVERYONE in this world. Kids SHOULDN'T have "SPECIAL" treatment by having their food cooked before mine if I ordered BEFORE they did. That's NOT FAIR, it really ISN'T. If I'm in line first or have ordered FIRST, mine should be cooking BEFORE theirs, plain and simple to be FAIR!

Why, just because of their age, they don't have to wait as long as I do, when if I ordered before them, as far as it being the same type of thing? For instance, if I just ordered a coke refill and as the server walks by, the kids says they want another refill, well, according to your logic, the kid should be handed theirs before mine. According to being FAIR, mine should get handed to me, BEFORE theirs because I ordered BEFORE that kid did. Just because the kid is a kid shouldn't mean they should get ANY different treatment than an adult does. Kids are customers as well as adults are, so just because they happen to be YOUNGER than me, SHOUDLN'T mean I should have to wait LONGER for my stuff if I've ordered BEFORE them. Your logic is SO UNFAIR, it REALLY IS! Be fair to EVERYONE and treat EVERYONE as EQUALS NO MATTER WHAT AGE THEY ARE! It's not fair just because they are a kid, they get to "CUT" in front of me. I will NEVER stand for that CRAP!
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Lords you're making me re-think my stance on involuntary sterilization of humans that shouldn't have children. I hope with all my heart you never have a child.
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I hope a kid pees on her foot waiting in line for the bathroom.
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oh god someone go to woes of a hooters girls post and warn her about lords I tried to but lords got there first!
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Well from all of this bs coming from Lords it is obvious that she doesn't have children, or much experience with children. Personally I hope she never has children. The baby will pop out, and the nurses will start to clean off the baby and do the testing. She will start complaing that she was FIRST to be taken care of, and that the baby will have to wait until she is cleaned and stiched up.

Children's menus usually offer things that cook quickly. Example is chicken fingers. They offer this food on the children's menu because first it is something that children like, and second it is quick to cook.

When I am waiting on a table that has young children, I usually ask the adults at the table if they would like the children's food first. About 99% of the time, they say yes. This is because they want to enjoy their meal. They also don't want the children screaming while they and EVERONE ELSE in the place are waiting to eat.

This is how it works Lords. Let's say you order a NY strip medium. The table next to you also orders a NY strip medium, Mahi Mahi, and chicken fingers for the 2 children.

You did place your order first so the kitchen already has your order cooking on the grill. I put the order in that I just took from the table with children. That table told me they wanted the children's entrees before their own. I let the cook know this information. This is because chicken tenders take only about 5 mins to cook. The NY strip med and the Mahi my take between 15-20 mins depending on how much they already have working on the grill. Once again, YOUR steak is already on the grill. The cook drops the chicken tenders in the fryer (not the grill) as soon as the order comes in. Then the cook places the NY Strip and the Mahi on the grill for the parents. Keep in mind that your steak is already on the grill. Are you following me with this one? Your steak will still not be ready before the chicken tenders even that your order started cooking on the grill before the order for the tenders came in. The chicken tenders then come out in 5 mins, and your steak still has 10 mins to go to get to medium. They never once at any moment in this process stopped cooking your food. Your food is just taking longer to cook because of the way it is cooked, and how you ordered it. Things cooked in a fryer are cooked quicker. Chicken tenders cook faster then steak. This is a fact.

Now lets do this your way. You don't want to see the kids at the table next to you get their chicken tenders before you have your food. So I have already turned in your ticket and your food is already cooking. Then I turn in the ticket with the Ny strip, mahi and 2 chicken tenders. The cooks don't know that the children want their food before the adults at THAT TABLE. So the cooks put the Ny strip (next to your ny strip) and mahi on the grill. They don't put the chicken tenders in the fryer until the strip for the parents and the mahi is almost done. Now because I put your food in first because you were there first and ordered first. Your ny strip will come out first. Your strip would have still come out before the strip and the mahi at the other table even in the first senario I presented to you, but we are doing it your way in this one. So you have your food and you are trying to enjoy your meal. The children at the table next to you are now whining loudly and crying that they are hungry. You are trying to enjoy your meal but you have to listen to them screem for the 10 mins into your meal because they are hungry.

I could have helped you and the parents both avoid the situation if I told the cook to make the children's food before the parent's food. Not before your food, because your food is already cooking. I just need the food before they finish the parents food. However, If I do that then I am an uncaring person because even though your food was cooking first and takes longer to cook then the tenders do, you want your food first. So I am uncaring because steak takes longer to cook then chicken tenders.

Do you understand what goes on in the kitchen now Lords when that kind of request is put in?
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lords, for the final time yes a screaming child who is hungry IS my priority and IS going to get its food FIRST! I don't work at McDonalds or Burger King. I work at a restaurant. All of my customers are important that is why a fussy child WILL get its food FIRST! SUE ME!!!!!! I don't care. Yep that's right... I DON'T CARE! And if we had a pole of the people that are on this board and at bitterwaitress it would come up the same. A hungry fussy child makes everyone but YOU miserable! I can honestly say you have stooped to your lowest on this retarded opinion. Yes it is your right to think that a hungry fussy child doesn't need to be fed. But again you are completely wrong in thinking any server is going to agree with you. You have proved over and over again how mean you are but this time you crossed the line with putting yourself no matter where you are in line above a child.
big_momma if she ever has a child it would be the devils spawn! But with the cup of Aids thegirl keeps trying to give her... maybe she won't be able to live that long...
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spaz please please go warn krista!
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First of all I was talking about a non fast food restaurant. McDonald's is fast food and a child in line would only have to wait minutes for their food. Nobody but you was talking about having an intestinal malfunction like diarrhea. The opinion was stated under normal circumstances. Children cannot hold their bladders as long as adults. In addition I do let people in front of me that have only a few items at the grocery store. As I have been allowed to go before others who have large orders when I only have a few things. That is called common decency.
Patience is a learned behavior, children have to be taught that. They are born being very self centered, only thinking of themselves. This takes time, and patience to teach them just that. Spaz is right in saying that a child's order does not stop the works of everybody else's meal, the cooks do more than one meal at a time. As temper mental as cooks/chefs can be they never mind getting right on a child's order. Besides lords it really doesn't matter what you think about how a restaurant should be run you are not in charge.
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"Do you understand what goes on in the kitchen now Lords when that kind of request is put in?"

YES, in THIS situation, my food would NOT get delayed at ALL. In some situations though, mine would get delayed possibly. Let's say it's a dish such as a salad. A salad DEFINATELY takes less times as long as there is no meat in it such as chicken. So, let's say my husband and I order 2 salads without any meat or seafood, just cheese and vegetables with salad dressing. If our table ordered the 2 salads FIRST, then our salads should DEFINATELY be done BEFORE the chicken tenders for the kids that ordered AFTER us. Do you see where I am coming from, that it depends on the dish as far as if the cook has time "WHILE something is COOKING" to do something else? If they don't have time while something is cooking, like a salad entree that has no meat or seafood, then if we ordered those type of salads BEFORE a kids at another table, our salad entrees should be fixed BEFORE the kids chicken tenders at the table that ordered AFTER we did to be FAIR.

"Things cooked in a fryer are cooked quicker."

I KNOW this already, remember, I worked at the donut shop and saw how long chicken tenders, fries, chicken sandwich patties, pork chop patties, and county fried steak patties took to cook. It's just COMMON SENSE. I've put frozen mozzarella sticks in cooking oil on top of the stove. It cooked FASTER that way. I KNOW that a steak or ribs or a hamburger will take LONGER to cook. You act like I've never cooked before. I HAVE cooked things before, I just don't care for cooking. In 8th grade, in home ec class, I cooked a hamburger pattie on the stove. We cooked LOTS of other things as well. I wasn't born under a rock. I KNOW that certain things take longer to cook.

"So I am uncaring because steak takes longer to cook then chicken tenders."

NO, I NEVER said that. It ALL DEPENDS on the entree as far as does it take prepare time and does it need to be cooked ANY?

According to your scernario doing it "MY" way as far as the steak story you posted goes, it wouldn't make any sense to do it that way, because while the steak is cooking, SOMETHING ELSE could be cooking as well, so if it happens to be a child's chicken tenders, at least it would give the cook SOMETHING to do while the steaks (BOTH TABLES) are cooking if that would be the only 2 tables he'd have to cook for.
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jammie thank you... sorry on a lords post manners are not required but I do it because I am mean and cold so thank you to you and bite me to lords. Common sense lets those that have less than you like a pack of gum go before you. I guess that is why we wake up happy in the morning and loa is a miserable complaining whore. BTW I made almost $100 in 4 hours today... gee by doing what I do best I'm hoping lords is dead! Only server on the floor, because I am GREAT at what I do... People coming in both doors.. am hostess and server... no kidding a 5 followed by 3 two tops, a 7 and 8 top are right behind them waiting for me to pull tables together for them! I rocked the house and had too many compliments about how I took care of all of them! So while loa goes to sleep tonight suffering from whatever who cares not us.... I go to bed knowing that as long as I am ME... I will make money and she has no clue! I AM HAPPY TO BE ALIVE AND THAT I CAN SUPPORT MYSELF!
Lords I hope you live a long miserable life with bladder control problems... cause from all your ignorance on how to be an ADULT you should be pissing on yourself all the time... depends won't hold it! So now you will smell like crap from all that you spred on here and like pee from the kid pissing on your foot and your own urine!

not able to deal with life... how's THAT working for ya?
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"I wasn't born under a rock."

Um ya, you were. You don't understand that kids take presidence over you. You believe that in that little pea brain of yours you can think-out the logistics of a restaurant and how it would/should work.

You should get a doll house and dictate the workings of that space. Lords you don't have the brains or common sense to do anything but run a doll house.

Lords you are a disgusting pig masquerading as a human being. You can't even cook for yourself, yet you think you can tell servers how to how to serve food?

With you it's just ME ME ME ME ME ME all the time. Your parents did some serious damage to you and your poor husband is looking at porn hoping to get away from you, even if it's in his own mind for a short time.

You're disgusting.
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Lords you are not a server bartender give it up. We hate you you hate you stop trying to be right. You are not, open up your miserable mind! You don't even have enough self respect to shut up! The world does not revolve around your life!Valentines day is coming up think you can cook for your "husband" that I am having sex with online all the time? If you are that sexy he wouldn't be looking at me or big_momma... hey big_momma I saw your video on strangeland.com So you want to be a cowboy huh? lords die please but not before you apologize to thegirl! And if you never do in the hell you created for yourself is here...
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Hold on there Coorslite, I don't have a video anywhere, nevermind a site named strangeland.com.
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KNOW this already, remember, I worked at the donut shop and saw how long chicken tenders, fries, chicken sandwich patties, pork chop patties, and county fried steak patties took to cook. It's just COMMON SENSE. I've put frozen mozzarella sticks in cooking oil on top of the stove. It cooked FASTER that way. I KNOW that a steak or ribs or a hamburger will take LONGER to cook. You act like I've never cooked before. I HAVE cooked things before, I just don't care for cooking. In 8th grade, in home ec class, I cooked a hamburger pattie on the stove. We cooked LOTS of other things as well. I wasn't born under a rock. I KNOW that certain things take longer to cook.


You just live under one? Please spend the money you aren't going to leave your server anyways on a deep fryer stop wasting our time and look up mayo and ranch and tartar and leave us hard working people alone! Or frequent the local BK and McDonalds but we are trying to a job that you will NEVER understand.
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big_momma just messing with her! I thought that was you when her husband told me to go to that site.
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big_momma I'm sorry! Am I forgiven?
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”YES, in THIS situation, my food would NOT get delayed at ALL. In some situations though, mine would get delayed possibly. Let's say it's a dish such as a salad. A salad DEFINATELY takes less times as long as there is no meat in it such as chicken. So, let's say my husband and I order 2 salads without any meat or seafood, just cheese and vegetables with salad dressing. If our table ordered the 2 salads FIRST, then our salads should DEFINATELY be done BEFORE the chicken tenders for the kids that ordered AFTER us. Do you see where I am coming from, that it depends on the dish as far as if the cook has time "WHILE something is COOKING" to do something else? If they don't have time while something is cooking, like a salad entree that has no meat or seafood, then if we ordered those type of salads BEFORE a kids at another table, our salad entrees should be fixed BEFORE the kids chicken tenders at the table that ordered AFTER we did to be FAIR. “

Lords in EVERY situation your food wouldn’t be delayed. There is more then one cook in the restaurants that you frequent. There is a cook for the grill, one for sauté, one for aps (includes fryer foods), and one that works the window putting the correct food up for each ticket. There is at least one person on each place period. So let’s try how it works if you order a salad. Some places the servers make the salads. Some places there is someone on the line that makes the salads. (Where I work we don’t make salads or desserts, but I have worked at places where I have made both.) Either way……… The server has already turned your ticket in to be cooked. Your order doesn’t stop because I turn in another ticket. The person that is making your salad still has nothing to do with the person that is making the chicken tenders. So I will turn in the ticket from the table with children and let the kitchen know that the table would like the children’s food before their food. The person that works where the fryer is will then drop the tenders. The person that makes the salads will still be working on your salad. Everyone does not stop what they are doing to make the chicken tenders. Got it yet? There is no way EVER that your food will stop being prepared in the kitchen just because another table requested their children’s food before their own.

Another example of this. Say that a table of 2 adults with no children came in and ordered mozzarella sticks (we don’t have those where I work but I am trying to stay familiar with where you dine.) The mozzarella sticks are ordered as their appetizer so they will come out before the rest of their food. Now I had already turned your ticket in prior to the other table sitting down. Their appetizer will come out before you salad even because the fry works faster then the person that is putting the salad together. It takes more work to make the salad then it does to drop 5 mozzarella sticks in the fryer then stick them on a plate. So the appetizer come out for the table that sat down after you, but your food never stopped being prepared. This is because the head chef calls the food to the different stations, and then the stations cook the food that was called to them in order. The person making the salads is not the person making the cheese sticks. I hope you are beginning to understand how a REAL kitchen (not fast food) kitchen works.




”I KNOW this already, remember, I worked at the donut shop and saw how long chicken tenders, fries, chicken sandwich patties, pork chop patties, and county fried steak patties took to cook. It's just COMMON SENSE. I've put frozen mozzarella sticks in cooking oil on top of the stove. It cooked FASTER that way. I KNOW that a steak or ribs or a hamburger will take LONGER to cook. You act like I've never cooked before. I HAVE cooked things before, I just don't care for cooking. In 8th grade, in home ec class, I cooked a hamburger pattie on the stove. We cooked LOTS of other things as well. I wasn't born under a rock. I KNOW that certain things take longer to cook.”

You understand that things cooked in a fryer come out first. Hopefully you now understand that the only people who are waiting longer on their food are the parents of the children that I put the food in for before THE PARENTS ONLY.



”NO, I NEVER said that. It ALL DEPENDS on the entree as far as does it take prepare time and does it need to be cooked ANY? “

You said it right there. It all depends on the entrée how long it takes to prepare and cook. Your salad will take more preparation then the chicken tenders even if the salad doesn’t have any type of meat in it. I know it doesn’t have to cook but it has to be mixed and things added that you want and things left out that you don’t want.


”According to your scernario doing it "MY" way as far as the steak story you posted goes, it wouldn't make any sense to do it that way, because while the steak is cooking, SOMETHING ELSE could be cooking as well, so if it happens to be a child's chicken tenders, at least it would give the cook SOMETHING to do while the steaks (BOTH TABLES) are cooking if that would be the only 2 tables he'd have to cook for.”

Ok I think you are under the impression that one cook is cooking for both tables. I have already explained to you kitchen stations. There are multiple people doing multiple things in the kitchen. The food comes out in the order it was put in for each station. The kitchen is NEVER at any point only cooking for one table at a time. People would be waiting hours for their food. Do you have a better understanding of how a kitchen in a real restaurant works? I think you are starting to. I hope. ~crosses fingers~
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Lords in my restaraunt I would be making your salad not the cook, so you would get your salad first. And chances are if your server turned in her ticket for salads if the cooks make the salad chances are by the time she comes back with the next the salads will be done.

Okay hears a scenario for ya. Would you be upset if you needed a cat scan for a back ache you have had. And your appointment is schedualed for 4:00p.m. for back problems you have been having. This hospital has only one ct scan. And their was a horrible accident, and a small child needed to get a ct scan to see if he has brain injuries. He may not make it. Would you be completely pissed off because this poor child had a tragic thing happen to them and you were first or would you be considerate and understanding?

She drives me nuts. HOW DO WE GET THROUGH TO HER. SHE SAYS THINGS THAT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE SHE UNDERSTANDS BUT THEN SHE JUST SAYS THE WRONG THINGS. AHHH I'm crossing my fingers too.
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Okay, so.... I have not been to the board in months. Probably since mid September. I just got my internet connected in my LA appartment, and thought I'd check out things here.

Just when I thought that Lords had topped it all and that I couldn't possibly hear anything more shocking than all the crap she spewed last year, she comes out with this whole Kids Meal issue. I can't even believe it.

So please excuse me as I pick up my jaw from the floor and start constructing a type of long-distance dart gun that will render Lords sterile.
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nuvola, hey girl, how are ya? I was just thinking about you earlier this week, wondering how things are for you. I have a throw away addy so you can email me at hacinta1@aim.com. Scarlett hasnt been around, I got an e mail from her with a new address, she says she had some very big problems and it was too long to explain at this time. I do have her new email though. Glad you are back, I have missed you. How are things in the big city? Culture shock or what?
Yes, nuvola, lords has sunk to a new all time low, with this kid issue. Its fortunate for us that just about every server doesn't agree with her so the kids will be fed first.
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In your insane response to big_momma lords you posted...





Also, you said in previous posts in the past that you'd be embarrassed to order all the stuff I order, well that tells me how shy and passive of a person are you when it comes to ordering. I have the COURAGE and CONFIDENCE in myself to ask for EXACTLY what I want, so I can be HAPPY with my meal. You, on the other hand, would rather have your food not as you’d like it than to ask for something. You said you didn't care for onions on a past posts a long time ago, but what if the burger has onions cooked in it? Would you eat it or would you have wished that you would have had the CONFIDENCE to ASKS for WHAT YOU WANT? See, if I ordered it with NO ONIONS, I WOULD have gotten what "I", the CUSTOMER, wanted, whether I would have had to send it back or not. You would be to shy to say anything, HOW PATHETIC!

First of all she is a kind and caring human who knows that if she does send it back... the server once out of your sight is going to grab the onions off the bun and say "dumb bitch!". And bring you back the same burger! You could've pulled the onion off yourself. But you won't... Guess what? THAT MAKES YOU LAZY AND SELFISH! Something she is NOT! She is compassionate enough to know that it was an honest mistake. And 99.99% of this board will agree with her because we work at restaurants and deal with people like you every day! By the way the other .01% would be you! And I'll bet you complain because the burger is cold too!


You also spewed at her....



“You are pure trash.”

I’m NOT going to stoop that low to tell you that, because I am NICE, which is something you AREN’T.


No you are not in any way shape or form NICE. big_momma has tried to explain over and over to you politely and you respond like trash. That's why you get the bashing you do here. You don't take time to listen and learn! You just keep saying the same freaking CRAP over and over again! And no matter how many times anyone tells you something you don't listen because your mind is somewhere else about some server that did something wrong way back 10 years ago.


I don't care what you have to say about the kid issue you are just wrong. If you don't want to realize that just drink that cup of aids thegirl wants to give you. That way you won't be able to live long enough to have a child. You would give the saying "kids raising kids" a new meaning!


Just a question for you... because no one has actually asked this but you know you all want to know.... You only go out on weekends to drink and screw with all the waitstaff... are you in a mental hospital? Out on a weekend pass?


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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

coorslite
"the server once out of your sight is going to grab the onions off the bun and say "dumb bitch!". And bring you back the same burger! You could've pulled the onion off yourself. But you won't... Guess what? THAT MAKES YOU LAZY AND SELFISH!"

YOU'RE WRONG! I ALWAYS take off stuff I can take off. Do you think I want them to spit in my food? Also, it takes a matter of 3 seconds to take off a tomato or pickel, BIG DEAL. That is NOT a problem at ALL. The problem is when things CAN'T be fixed easily by me like bacon because it's soggy, which I ALWAYS order it "EXTRA CRISPY." So, I have sent back bacon ONCE, to get it crispy. The STUPID waiter didn't bother to look on the SIDE of the sandwich(NOT under) to see the soggy bacon, so he got another plate and went to make it crispy. That is something you CAN see. I COULD see it before I even lifted the bun that it was hanging SOGGY. I DON'T expect a server to see a pickel, but things that you can see on the SIDE of the sandwich hanging out like lettuce, those types of things you DON'T bring out to a customer if they requested either to not have lettuce or to have their bacon crispy and it looks SOGGY. Another example, would be ketchup on a burger, if I ordered it plain. Then they'd have to take it back, because there's NO WAY I'd eat it with ketchup. I REALLY HATE ketchup that much. I NEVER send it back if it's something like a pickel. Usually it's MISSING things, like a waitress at Chili's that didn't compare the menu with the order I wrote down. I had ordered the sandwich with no this, no that, etc., but I NEVER listed the items that did come on the sandwich, because they AUTOMATICALLY are SUPPOSE to come on the sandwich. When I mentioned the lettuce and awesome blossom strings to her, she said she didn't THINK of the menu, just ONLY what I wrote down, meaning, she took my order as if I said no to everything besides cheese, which I DIDN'T. So, I didn't send it back, she brought OUT the missing items so I could put them on my sandwich.

Other times I send things back if it's ALL WRONG OF COURSE. I send things back like the bowl of cinnamon apples that I specifically ordered NOT to have.

Do you think I want to wait LONGER to eat just so they can pull a pickel and a tomato slice off of my sandwich? HELL NO! I don't like the juices on my sandwich, but I'm NOT going to worry about such a MINOR thing that "I" can take off MYSELF.

So QUIT SAYING I'm lazy, because I DON'T send things back if I can take things off myself. Ketchup is something you CAN'T take ALL THE WAY off. It's in the pours of the bread soaked in, so that is SO DIFFERENT. Thank goodness that MOST places don't put condiments or many condiments on the burgers unless it is a SPECIFIC burger such as ranch burger or bar-b-que burger.

"Something she is NOT!"

That's NOT TRUE! Remember, she told me in a posts a while back that she wouldn't want to run herself ragged for my bunches of condiments for 25% tip even, UNLESS it was at a place that served fancy food, so then the bill would probably be pretty expensive, so she'd know she'd get a huge tip at 25%. At my $40 or so at Chili's is NOT worth it to her to get my condiments, so, LOOK WHO IS THE ONE THAT IS LAZY. She DOESN'T want to WORK HARD even for 25% tip at a $40 meal because it's NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO HER TO RUN HERSELF RAGGED. SHE'S LAZY. I'd do it and it'd be WORTH it for 25%. I LOVED when people would tip me a quarter for 1 cup of coffee. So, I'm NOT lazy, she IS. She would say it's NOT WORTH IT to get someone's cup of coffee for a misley quarter.

"And I'll bet you complain because the burger is cold too!"

Actually about 2 months ago I got the fajita quesadillas and it came with beans as one of the sides. The beans were almost cold, luke warm, NOT HOT. I DIDN'T send it back. I feel it's USUALLY NOT WORTH IT unless it is my WHOLE MEAL that is cold. I have ONLY sent back something maybe twice because it was cold in my ENTIRE life. I just ate it ANYWAY because I didn't want to have to wait for it or risks someone spitting in my food.


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Yes you are going to worry about those MINOR things and come back here and whine about it so who cares about your requests before a child that is hungry? Not me! You are lazy because it you took the time to cook it yourself you would have it your own way but you are too lazy to learn how to do that. BUT YOU don't do that... why? Google it and look up what you need for your meal and prepare it at home! big_momma and the rest of this board are tired of hearing all the crap you deal with and it is ALL ABOUT HOW YOU TREAT OTHERS! By your posts you are rude and anal and deserve NO respect from anyone. GET IT???? No I'm sure you don't.
PS APOLOGY? THAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.... DO IT TO THEGIRL OR DRINK THAT CUP OF AIDS!
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pps. Yeah you are that important that we will spit in your food. SORRY to hurt your feelings but we don't care about you that much and you are not worth the effort! We are way too lazy to do that and have hungry children dinning with the parents that do tip!
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coorslight...

You make my day! I lurves you!!

Lords, go die painfully.
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Lords....did you not respond to my reply back to you because I proved that you were wrong about a child getting their food first?

Seems that once you actually see what goes on, that it doesn't really effect you, and that it makes sense, you ignore it.

Maybe you didn't even read my reply. ~sigh~ I thought I was actually making progress with you on that specific topic.
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spaz0matic -
Your observation is one that I made a long time ago myself, when I was more regular here. If you present information that Lords can actually slightly understand that proves her wrong (as usual), she refuses to respond to it. If you press her about it, she might respond, but it will be just as farfetched and insane as everything else she says.


MINOR thing that "I" can take off MYSELF

"I"? Are you an inigma? Do you only exist in theory?

Oh God, only IF Lords was just a theory....

Lords, I see you have gone even more quotation-happy. Could you please stop doing that. Go to a grammer site or thewritesource.com and look up the proper use of quotation marks. They should only be used for quotes, hense the name quotation mark. Go back to 2nd grade.
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spaz0matic
I'm sorry I took so LONG to respond, I just was tired when it I read it because it was late and I forgot about it yesterday.

"Do you have a better understanding of how a kitchen in a real restaurant works? I think you are starting to. I hope. ~crosses fingers~"

Yes, I DIDN'T realize that my food wouldn't stop cooking. I don't know what really is going on in the kitchen because I'm in the dining area. Thank you for explaining it to me and being NICE to me.

nuvola09

"Go back to 2nd grade."

LOOK IN THE MIRROR: "Are you an inigma?"

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=inigma

There's NO SUCH WORD as INIGMA. It's spelled ENIGMA.

You can't even SPELL, which is something you learn in as you said to me "2ND GRADE."

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_quote.html

"The great march of "progress" has left millions impoverished and hungry."

See, this IS PROPER to put QUOTATION MARKS around a word.

http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2996.html?1138142641

"unnessesary" SPELLING: Unnecessary

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=simultaineously

"simultaineously" SPELLING: simultaneously

"dicounted" SPELLING: discounted

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dicounted

These words is MISSPELLED. These are words you learn by SECOND GRADE usually or by at LEAST 12th grade.

"the Applebee's I worked at back in Rhode Island would, in most cases, not charge for that. Even though those extras are absurd, my GM was too nice to tack on extra charges."

WHATEVER happened to the BEGINNING OF A SENTENCE to have a CAPITAL LETTER? That's something you learn BEFORE SECOND GRADE.

"YOU" need to go a GRAMMAR site as well as a DICTIONARY.

http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2123.html#POST9162

"So you need to shut up and stop playing Miss Know-It-All."

LOOK IN THE MIRROR. You act like "YOU" KNOW-IT-ALL by telling me "MY" faults, LOOK AT YOUR OWN!

At least I'll ADMIT, I misspell things and don't always use proper English. Your acting as if you are PERFECT or something by telling me "MY" faults. LOOK AT YOURSELF and QUIT TELLING ME, when you CAN'T even SPELL VERY WELL. You have NO RIGHT to tell me a DAMN THING when you aren't writing PERFECTLY EITHER. So QUIT trying to make me look bad, when YOU are the one that is making yourself look bad. You are a type of person that doesn't look at YOUR OWN mistakes, but tells others their mistakes as if you are PERFECT or something.

"Could you please stop doing that."

NO, because you can't seem to STOP INSULTING ME. Like posts of a while back you said you wished I died. NOW, you are MEAN ONCE AGAIN telling me something MEAN which is something NEGATIVE about my grammar. Are you NOT happy with yourself that you have to put OTHER PEOPLE DOWN to make yourself look better? MOST people that are "HAPPY" with THEMSELVES DON'T INSULT other people, because they are HAPPY.

http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2911.html

"If the kitchen forget your extra side of mayo, you immediately blame it on the server. That is wrong."

This is an OLD posts, but I would like to put an example to show you that I'm NOT the ONLY person that feels this way.

http://www.mtsusidelines.com/media/paper202/news/2003/10/01/Opinions/Tips-Are.Ea rned.Rewards.Not.An.Ordained.Right-508957.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.mtsus idelines.com

"Never, ever take food out that is incorrectly done (I had a waitress rip me a new one for something I goofed up on as a cook and she demanded I fix it then and there - and she was right and I learned). Explain about and apologize for the delay."

See, even as a COOK, this person UNDERSTOOD that the "WAITRESS" would have been at fault 100% for bringing out the food WRONG. In other words, if the SAME server is bringing out my food, then the server should compare the plate of food with the order they wrote down "BEFORE" taking it to me. In other words, since the SERVER took the order and HOPEFULLY wrote it down, it's COMMON SENSE to make sure ALL the components are 100% correct BEFORE being EMBARRASSED in front of the customer by bringing out the WRONG thing or things that are MISSING. If there is a food runner, it's more complicated because the server may not have printed the ticket 100% correctly. If the server did print the ticket correctly, but the food runner didn't bother to read the ticket, then it's the food runner's fault MOSTLY, but the server COULD still have just brought out the condiments BEFORE the meal arrives not to put their TRUST into their co-workers.

Example: At my work, I meter mail and put it through a postage machine. I have CAUGHT SEVERAL mistakes by co-workers giving me invoices(which everyday there are around 50 or more envelopes I do.) What happened with those mistakes is that, the co-workers weren't suppose to send some invoices that didn't have addresses on them. Well, for some reason, the co-workers didn't notice that these invoices didn't have addresses even. These are window envelopes. Anyway, I saved the company money SEVERAL TIMES because I weigh and stamp envelopes in the machine one at a time INSTEAD of doing it a FASTER way which is just stick a bunch in the machine and NOT even read the addresses or a NON-EXISTANT address on some of them. I read the address to find out if it's out the country, because some of these invoices ARE, like Canada. My point is, co-workers make mistakes, but if I KNEW "MY" INCOME counted on "ME" getting the order 100% correct, I would DOUBLE CHECK the co-workers FOR SURE. It IS the fault of the server if it's the same server that takes the order as brings it out if the order is wrong.

From that website: "She demanded I fix it then and there."

See, that's a VERY SMART server to "CATCH" the cook's mistakes so her tip could be a VERY GOOD one. See, that's how mistakes end up not being mistakes, meaning, to the customer, they don't know if that waitress told the cook to fix the order correct. The customer knows ONLY what he or she sees or hears. The customers don't know what is going on in the kitchen. So, that waitress PREVENTED her crappy tip, PREVENTED pissed customers, PREVENTED a WASTED trip-(which BTW is wasting time for other customers that have NOTHING to do with that particular customer's wrong dish), and PREVENTED EMBARRASSMENT.

"The server has no flippin idea why you gave a crappy tip."

Again, I will explain that a server KNOWS if they've made a mistake with food if I sent food back or said I was missing something if it is the SAME SERVER that brought my food to me and took my order. The server KNOWS if the customers have to ask for utensils when they receive their food if the customers mention it to the MAIN server. The tip may be a little off of a 20%-25% tip. The server should be OBSERVANT not to EVER bring food to a customer that doesn't even have utensils to eat with, especially if they've ordered a soup or salad or pasta dish. I've had to get my OWN utensils serveral times because the hostess doesn't do their job and in turn, the server isn't OBSERVANT to see that we don't have ANY utensils. One time, my husband and I went to a mexican restaurant and I wasn't too hungry so I just got a margarita. Anyway, the waitress brought my husband's entree and "HE" PATHETICALLY had to ask for some utensils. He had rice and beans which have to be eaten with a fork. My point is, I took off points for that, because the SERVER is responsible for "CATCHING" mistakes. You can't really expect the CUSTOMER to have to get up to get their own utensils. What kind of service is that? It's common sense that if the person's bill is overcharged and pointed out to the server, the server KNOWS they may get a crappy tip. If the server can't figure out these COMMON SENSE situations, then, they must have been born under a rock. It's just common sense that if there are mistakes that are MAJOR ones, that the server may receive a crappy tip to nothing. I don't want to spend "MY" time writing down ALL the servers mistakes because that's MORE TIME in the restaurant that I could give my table up to SOMEONE ELSE that is WAITING for a table as well as not wanting to spend that much time there. That's just RIDICULOUS. That particular server I may not have again, but may retailate even more because I would write a note of complaints by spitting in my food in the kitchen or something like that.

http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2911.html

"And you keep saying "bring out my condiments first." This will rarely ever happen, so just god damn deal with it. It will rarely happen because 1) servers and management (and I'm sure most customers) think it's gross and low-class and it brings the freshness & quality way down, and 2) we do not always have access to the extras that you want. STOP BLAMING SERVERS."

Well, if you don't have access to them, do as the waitress did to the cook on the website, by ASKING THE COOK to make this food 100% correct, otherwise QUIT COMPLAINING when the tip isn't up to par if you don't want to take the EFFORT to CORRECT the food BEFORE taking it to the customer. SO STOP BLAMING THE COOK and LOOK at YOURSELF if you happen to be the one that takes the order and brings the food as well. DON'T blame OTHERS. Sure, initially, it's the cook, but as I said before, the server has the POWER to correct it or get it corrected BEFORE it gets to the customer WRONG.

From the website: "Apologize for the delay."

It even states "Apologize." You even said I remember on some posts that you didn't think a small mistake was worth apologizing for. ALL mistakes SHOULD accompany an apology, even if it's just "Sorry" out of being NICE. That's something you don't know HOW to be, otherwise, you wouldn't tell me to die or have a heart attack.
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These words is MISSPELLED. These are words you learn by SECOND GRADE usually or by at LEAST 12th grade.

You moron. Is misspelled? These words is misspelled? You idiot.

These words ARE misspelled. Don't try to call someone on it if you can't even use proper grammar.


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"These words ARE misspelled. Don't try to call someone on it if you can't even use proper grammar."

For one thing, SHE called that on ME FIRST. Secondly, I admitted in my posts that I misspell words. You don't have to call me an idiot over it. I NEVER claimed I never made mistakes, if anything I said: "At least I'll ADMIT, I misspell things and don't always use proper English."

So I am saying my posts aren't perfect either by ANY means. I am just pointing out "SHE" makes mistakes too and that she has NO RIGHT to tell me anything first. I NEVER told her ANYTHING about her spelling or English, so WHY should she start this? I am just treating her the WAY she treated me. Sure, I made a mistake, she made a mistake in the SMALL posts she did. I wrote ALL OF THAT and you only found one mistake. I think that's pretty good for a large posts. I am VERY SURE there are SEVERAL OTHER mistakes because I am NOT good at writing at ALL.

I am just telling her that she makes mistakes TOO with her spelling and English. That is ALL I am pointing out. I NEVER said I didn't misspell, EVER.
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spaz0matic
I'm sorry I took so LONG to respond, I just was tired when it I read it because it was late and I forgot about it yesterday.

"Do you have a better understanding of how a kitchen in a real restaurant works? I think you are starting to. I hope. ~crosses fingers~"

Yes, I DIDN'T realize that my food wouldn't stop cooking. I don't know what really is going on in the kitchen because I'm in the dining area. Thank you for explaining it to me and being NICE to me.


OMG....I am so happy you understand something in the way of how it works when you go out to eat. Is there anything else that I can try to help you with that you don't know about when you are out to eat? I think now that you are starting to understand a little better maybe I can explain some other things to you that may help you realize it is 99% of the time not the server's fault for things going wrong. Things that you find go wrong anyways. I think that alot of it has to do with that you just don't know.

Thanks for responding to me. If you don't want to talk about other questions on here you can add me if you have yahoo instant messenter t0xiic_sh0ck@yahoo.com

Hope you are willing to talk to me some more about things.
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Loser....

Until you apologize, you are worthless to me as a human. I will continue to dog your every step.

You are an idiot. You are subhuman, and you are unworthy of the air you suck from the rest of us.

Apologize, and I'll be happy to leave you be. Don't apologize, and I will continue to point out your idiocy every chance I get.
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"The great march of "progress" has left millions impoverished and hungry."

See, this IS PROPER to put QUOTATION MARKS around a word.

Lords: Take a look at the way that quotation mark was used. It was bringing attention to "words used ironically, with reservations, or in some unusual way," according to the OWL Website.

Let's look at one of your uses:

According to your scernario doing it "MY" way as far as the steak story you posted goes...

Rules for quotation marks:

1. Direct quotes...umm no. You can't direct quote, or indirect quote, yourself.

2. Quoting poetry...no

3. Dialogue....no

4. Title of works or parts of works....no.

5. Quotation marks for words. Here is the rule: Use quotation marks to indicate words used ironically, with reservations, or in some unusual way. Also for words used as words themselves or for technical or unfamiliar terms used for the first time (and defined), use italics.

This could apply except you didn't use the word ironically (look it up) and "my" is not an unfamiliar term. (This quotation mark is ok since I am using the word as the word itself and not for the meaning of the word.)

Lastly, the last rule states: Do not use quotation marks for common nicknames, bits of humor, technical terms that readers are likely to know, and trite or well-known expressions.

You did that.

Final answer...your use of quotation marks is wrong. So is your use of most every punctuation mark, capital letters and some of your spelling. I'm still laughing about conceded. I hope so much you never said that in public. Conceded has a soft d sound. Conceited has a hard t sound. The words don't even sound alike.

Yes, I know you probably slept through English class. Here is one of the lessons you missed.

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Thank you jysi for saying exactly what I wanted to, I just didn't have the energy to explain the proper use of quotation marks to this troll.

Lords, read the above post and then re-read this, which you wrote:
I am just pointing out "SHE" makes mistakes too and that she has NO RIGHT to tell me anything first. I NEVER told her ANYTHING about her spelling or English, so WHY should she start this? I am just treating her the WAY she treated me. Sure, I made a mistake, she made a mistake in the SMALL posts she did.

You are not making accidental mistakes. You deliberately, again, wrote pointing out "SHE" makes mistakes. You are consistently using quotation marks improperly. It's annoying and makes your posts difficult to read, what with all the capital letters, etc. Therefore I tried to teach you something and asked you to stop. Well, you didn't. Not that I really expected any less (or more) of you. But I figured I’d give it a shot.

Furthermore, I did not rat you out for a typo, as you did to me (i and e are mirrored on the keyboard, by the way...very easy and frequent mistake that I make which I admit to). So you did not treat me the same way. I'm pointing out a consistent error you make which affects the way your posts read. Why don't you look into fixing it?

You make me so unbelievably angry sometimes, I can't even stand it. I can't believe a person is so unwilling to learn anything.

And as far as you wanting to argue even further about the proper way to wait tables... I don't think I ever said that I would refuse to apologize for anything that went wrong at one of my tables. So I'm not sure why you keep pointing that out. I don't think I have ever said that it is not a responsibility of a server to check food before taking it out of the window. Having worked expo more than a couple times, that was my primary job: to check food for errors before it goes into the dining room.

And I can't tell you how many times I was about to run someone else's food (food to a table that is not mine) and have noticed an error that the kitchen made. I, or anyone else who catches the error, alerts the kitchen and it is fixed before the food goes out. You seem to think that all servers never double check, simply because you've had it happen to you a couple times. You also assume I never check, only because I defend any human's right to occasionally make mistakes. Both of these assumptions are wrong. More mistakes happen in a kitchen than you know, but usually only a couple actually make it out to the dining room. It can't be 100% perfect every single day. Sorry.

Oh, and I really do still hope you die at the hand of a homicidal server who has just had enough of your BS. I have no reservations about that. Also, this whole "cup of AIDS" thing I've been hearing about seems like a good idea.
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nuvola09
"So you did not treat me the same way."

Gee, WHO is the person that said "Go back to 2nd grade?" If you don't think that's a MEAN and UNNECESSARY commment, you NEED to go back to Kindergarten to learn HOW to be NICE to people instead of INSULTING them. You pointed out my errors, I pointed out YOURS. That IS treating you the SAME, EXACT SAME. I told you to go back to second grade as YOU said to me. I also pointed out errors you made. So I am not sure WHERE you get I didn't treat you the SAME?

NOW, you are saying this: "And I can't tell you how many times I was about to run someone else's food (food to a table that is not mine) and have noticed an error that the kitchen made. I, or anyone else who catches the error, alerts the kitchen and it is fixed before the food goes out."

"I don't think I have ever said that it is not a responsibility of a server to check food before taking it out of the window."

http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2911.html#POST11588

"If the kitchen forget your extra side of mayo, you immediately blame it on the server. That is wrong."

So, WHICH is it according to YOUR opinion? It seems you ARE admitting it is the SERVER or FOOD RUNNER that brings out the food that's at fault. The LAST person that sees it is suppose to VERIFY ALL components are 100% correct BEFORE taking it to the customer, meaning the SERVER is at fault. Even if the food runner didn't read the ticket, the SERVER is at fault for not getting the condiments BEFORE the meal, which I have had happen, 2 times WITHOUT EVER ASKING them to bring it before my meal. Maybe even another time, I can't remember right now. One was a waitress at "Joe's Crab Shack" which brought me my 3 sides of tartar sauce BEFORE my meal arrived. Another one was at a place called "Copeland's." That waitress said she didn't want them to forget it. She brought me a LOT, a little too much almost, but I'd rather have more than enough than NOT enough. It seems you are NOW trying to say that you HAVE noticed an error in the kitchen. So, OBVIOUSLY you are AGREEING that it's up to the SERVER or FOOD RUNNER to make sure it's correct, otherwise, you'd NEVER double check the food and just bring it out as is.

So, by you saying "You immediately blame it on the server. That is wrong", you were telling me the server WASN'T at fault, but NOW, you are saying that you don't think you've said that it's not the responsiblity of the server to check the food BEFORE taking it to the customer and that you check to make sure what you are bringing is correct. This is a CONTRIDICTION to what you said months ago. Either the server is at fault(which they ARE) or isn't for not bringing out the correct food?

"Having worked expo more than a couple times, that was my primary job: to check food for errors before it goes into the dining room."

To top it off, you say this. So, you are ADMITTING that it IS the server or food runner's fault if something is wrong with the food as far as things you can see is what I am saying. I can't say if there is a pickel on my sandwich, which I ordered it with no pickel, that I would take off ANYTHING, because that is something the server or food runner CAN'T see unless they touch your food. Something such as a side of mayonnaise is 100% visable enough to see it's missing. So before you said it WASN'T the server's fault by saying "That is wrong." NOW, you are saying it was YOUR PRIMARY JOB to check food for errors? SO WHY THE CONTRIDICTION? Are you finally seeing that I'm RIGHT and that your view was WRONG back then?

"Simply because you've had it happen to you a couple times."

NO, I have it about 70% of my visits to a restaurant at LEAST. Just last week, I went to a bar and grill type of local restaurant and the food runner didn't have the ONE side of ranch I requested. 2 weeks ago I went to Chili's and the food runner forgot my side of ranch. I figured I wouldn't ask for the ranch before my meal since it was ONLY 1 condiment, but these servers and food runners STILL forget them sometimes. It's pathetic that I will have to just ask for them to bring it to me BEFORE my meal, whether it is 1 side of 3 sides of whatever.

I can lists a WHOLE LOT of experiences where my orders were wrong. Even my husband's are wrong once in a while. NOT as often, because he usually orders things "As is" off the menu. I have had quite a few situations where a condiment was suppose to COME WITH the item, which it said on the MENU and didn't receive it even. I have A WHOLE LOT OF TIMES I have missing condiments, LOTS. If it was only a couple of times, I wouldn't be so pissed off about it. In October, I went to Applebee's and the food runner forgot ALL of my condiments: 2 sides of mayo, 1 side of ranch, and 1 side of mustard. I told the food runner, but the server saw me not eating and I told him I didn't have ANY of my condiments I had ordered. He told me he printed the ticket right, but that "They are just TOO LAZY to read the ticket." Anyway, by the time I received my condiments, it was at least 3-4 minutes. Meanwhile, my fries were getting cooler by the minute in the air condition. That is why I have been asking for the condiments BEFORE my meal when there are a lot of them I want. It's pathetic that they can't even remember 1 if I only order 1, especially if it's on the menu that it comes with it, they don't even know the menu at the place they work at. I think that looks BAD.

"Therefore I tried to teach you something and asked you to stop."

Saying things like "I really do still hope you die" is NOT going to make me stop doing ANYTHING for someone that is MEAN.
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Lords,
Your posts go on and on and on and on and on...
Too many people have tried and tried and tried and tried and tried to make you see how wrong you are. Yet it all comes back to we are mean mean mean mean mean. That we only care about us and never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever work. After all we are just workers we should just work work work work work work all the time! We should always always always always always go in order. We should never never never never multi-task because that makes us lazy lazy lazy and of course stupid stupid stupid.

Oh I know you don't want to hear this but an insurance man came in and ate at the restaurant (not nutshop) I WORK at. He said something about me taking my time, I was in the weeds with all 15 tables full and I'd be back just as soon as I possible can, did I mention I was waitress hostess and cashier? He actually said to me... "I sell insurance, I don't really work anyways." I turned around like Linda Blair and spewed in lords fashion with an attitude from your posts instilled in me and said... "Well I'm your server and I work my ass off!" He looked at me and knew I was serious... $16.18 check.... $50 bill on the table, on his way out the door he says... "the change is yours honey, thanks for the service! and yes you do work your ass off. I couldn't do your job on my best day!"
So being lazy lazy lazy got me more than what you make in a day after taxes!

We are all so tired of making you see that YOU ARE WRONG! WHAT A CONCEPT FOR YOU! WE REALLY DON'T CARE IF YOU LIVE OR DIE! SO THE CUP OF AIDS IS WAITING FOR YOU!

My apologies to all those that have bothered to read my post. Where does she get off thinking the world revolves around her? Let alone give English lessons? And to the ones that did get the joke about the repeating of words over and over again... giggle twice because lords won't get it!
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You're not worth the effort, Lords. You take things I say and treat it as all or nothing. You take a single sentence from a post and ignore everything else that follows it. There is no debating or arguing with you. It's hopeless. It is a waste of my life.

Please excuse me while I go and get an education and earn lots of money serving people like Blythe Danner in Beverly Hills.
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"You're not worth the effort, Lords. You take things I say and treat it as all or nothing. You take a single sentence from a post and ignore everything else that follows it."

You just DON'T want to admit that I'm RIGHT about that the server IS at fault when the server brings out food without condiments that were ordered or brings out food that is visable to the server such as a bowl of cinnamon apples instead of extra fries. I just PROVED I was RIGHT by you telling me it was YOUR JOB to check food for errors, that it was your "PRIMARY" job. So I don't get WHY you argued with me back then, but now you agree with me? What's up with that? Is it because you've LEARNED from me to do double check the food? Is it because you have done it all along but just wanted to argue with me? By your actions, you are PROVING to ALL of us on this board that the responsiblity of getting the order correct to the customer is the responsiblity of the person that brings the food, whether it would be a server or a food runner. Sure, the server may not print the ticket correctly, so therefore, the food runner has NO CLUE about the mistake.

As far as taking one sentence, that's BULL. You and most of the rest of the group have been acting as if it's ONLY the cook that's at fault for missing condiments. Otherwise, WHY would you say that sentence if you didn't mean it?: "If the kitchen forget your extra side of mayo, you immediately blame it on the server. That is wrong."

Back then, you were saying it's NEVER the server's fault by that statement. NOW, you are saying it was your primary responsiblity to catch errors. Thank you for FINALLY seeing the light, meaning, what I was saying is the TRUTH back then and you are OBVIOUSLY AGREEING with me.

"And I can't tell you how many times I was about to run someone else's food (food to a table that is not mine) and have noticed an error that the kitchen made."

By you saying this, since you CORRECTED the food error BEFORE you brought it to the customer tells me it's the responsibility of "WHO BRINGS OUT THE CUSTOMER'S FOOD?" If you felt the server WASN'T at fault, you WOULD NEVER, EVER, check for errors, EVER. So it's the person that brings the food to the customer that's at fault. Initially, it's the cook, but after you take it, it's the responsibility of the person bringing out the food. You just can't put your trust into the cook, when they have SO MANY orders to fix. They are bound to forget a side of mayo, but the person bringing out the food has to make an effort to CATCH the mistake. That seems to be what you have done. I am glad you are smart enough to realize that now.

You have said "STOP BLAMING SERVERS."
http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2911.html#POST11729

NOW you say it was your PRIMARY RESPONSIBLITY. YOU don't make ANY SENSE by stating ONE THING that is COMPLETELY OPPOSITE of NOW. WHY you changed your tune basically? I STILL KNOW it's the person that brings out the food that is responsible for getting the order 100% correct. I DIDN'T change my view, WHY you did?

You're basically ADMITTING it's up to the person bringing out the food that's at FAULT, so "BLAME SERVERS" is your view now.
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Hey, dumbass.

Nuvola was not referring to servers, she was referring to expos. See? Having worked expo more than a couple times, that was my primary job: to check food for errors before it goes into the dining room.

An expo isn't a server.

It's the person who pulls plates from the kitchen window, puts it on the tray, and gives it to the runner after telling them which table to go to. The runner doesn't even see the ticket, and therefore has no clue what modifications there may be to an order. And, since you can't always see into the kitchen, you have no idea if there is an expo or not. So, put on your big girl panties and deal with it.

The expos are absolutely responsible.

Next time, read the damn post before getting your panties in a wad.

Oh, and I will absolutely call anyone an idiot who writes like a third grader at 28.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
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Thegirl I hate to correct your spelling but isn't the word indiot?
I hate to bring up the fact it is Friday... we all know that lords is out there somewhere making some servers night a terror! We can only hope she finds a one table restaurant where there is absolutely no other customers allowed, the waitress doesn't chit chat with anyone, she gets all her sides of mayo composed crap, the cook and expo are at her disposal to make only her and her porn freak husband thier meal first! Because they would be the only people there... the bartender and manager would be there to make sure that this is the best night she has ever had out!

Wait except for the porn freak husband I had that tonight! Got off work, asked husband what he would like for dinner... then I cooked it with him. He looked at it and said this is perfect! I got myself a beer and him a diet pepsi. I think I'll tip myself the really great dvd/vcr player that I bought today on sale... no coupon needed... for 49 bucks! I am so worth it! Actually I just cheated myself on that... was really clearance because it was a demo and was originally $399. What a cheap tipper I am! But on the upside of all that... I'm at home drinking beer! NOT OUT IN N.O. DRINKING AND DRIVING! And our whole wonderful dinner with no complaints was... including the 12 pack I plan on drinking tonight... LESS THAN $20! Imagine that!
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Going out on a limb here, who cares who's fault it is? As a customer my ultimate goal is to have my meal delivered correctly. On the occasion it is not I dont give a rats hairy ass who's fault it is, I want it corrected. I am human, so is my server, or cook for the evening and expo. I understand that things happen, just make it right. Its not a big deal and I dont turn it into one.
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"It's the person who pulls plates from the kitchen window, puts it on the tray, and gives it to the runner after telling them which table to go to. The runner doesn't even see the ticket, and therefore has no clue what modifications there may be to an order."

The food runner should be RESPONSIBILE enough to READ the ticket ANYWAY. There is NO REASON WHY they can't read the ticket, NONE! It's almost like me saying "Bring this $10 bill to table 6 to give them their change." The person brings table 6 their change. The customer at table 6 said "Since our check was $10 and we handed the waitress a $50 dollar bill, we are missing $30 of our change." So, in turn, the person that took table 6's change to them put their TRUST into me, instead of READING THE BILL. So, in turn, makes the person that handed table 6's change to them look like an IDIOT! So, QUIT saying that they DON'T KNOW because they COULD make an EFFORT to KNOW. DUH! If that person WOULDN'T have trusted me and told me about my error, I would have said "Sorry" to that person and they would have given table 6 the correct change which was $40. So, my point is, NEVER TRUST someone that just hands things to you. HOW STUPID IS THAT?

jammie
"Who cares who's fault it is?"

I CARE, because I would like to know HOW TO TIP? Secondly, if you like your food EXACTLY the way it's on the menu, OF COURSE your food won't have NEARLY the mistakes MY food has usually. So, to you, it may not be so bad because your food DOESN'T HARDLY EVER have ANY mistakes, MINE DOES A LOT of the times. Either something is missing or isn't correct or the whole entree is wrong.

As you said "On the occasion it is not", so it doesn't happen ENOUGH for you to be pissed about it. It happens to me A LOT.

"Its not a big deal and I dont turn it into one."

Everyone has a DIFFERENT OPINION about what's a big deal and what isn't. Some people think a football game is the end of the world if they don't see it. I think it's NO BIG DEAL if I miss it. My point is, everyone feels different about things and what is important to me, may not be important to you. Such as an example: Yesterday I bought some bell peppers at the store and I didn't see because I was putting my groceries into the basket that the cashier rung up a red onion. So, to you I bet $0.36 isn't worth trying to get your money back. I, on the other hand, made sure I got my money for something I didn't buy. They also at first put $0.35, because I bought a clove of garlic, so they didn't give me back my money correct on my credit card. So, I told them I wanted my $0.36 that I got charged as the subtotal amount of my receipt. They fixed it. You would have probably said "This is really not worth my time." My point is, to you it may not matter to even get back $0.36, but to me it matters. It probably DEFINATELY wouldn't have mattered to get the extra penny they owed me by them having to do the transaction all over again and wait for the manager to come back over a penny. I AM that type of person that will do that. I pick up pennies when I see them on the ground. One time about a year ago, I found 2 quarters in a pay phone at a grocery store. On a wimb, I just decided to look and there was 2 whole quarters. To you, you may not care about the 2 quarters. It may not matter to you. My point is that everyone thinks of things differently and some people feel things are a big deal that shouldn't be and some people that don't make big things a big deal, that maybe really are a major deal.

So for you, your hungry tummy may not matter, but MINE DOES. I CARE if my food is delayed and it IS a big deal to me. Sure a missing side of ranch is not so bad, but missing several condiments pisses me off. Like when at Applebee's the food runner brought out my sandwich and fries with NONE of the condiments that I had ordered which were 2 sides of mayonnaise, 1 side of mustard, and 1 side of ranch. I had to sit there to wait to eat my sandwich because there is NO WAY I want to eat a dry sandwich. I didn't go out to eat to eat it dry. By the time the waiter came by and he got my condiments, it was a good 3 or 4 minutes. So, I think to me, it's a big deal when I order something and it's like they don't care to get it right. That pisses me off. Those things were VERY OBVIOUS that were missing. To have NONE of them is just plain RIDICULOUS. So for you it's not a big deal because you may order simple things like my husband usual does. I happen to like foods that are different. If I can ask how to cook my hamburger why NOT my bacon? Or why not fries getting them with no salt and lightly cooked? I really don't like bacon if it's soggy and I can see the white fat on it. It just tastes gross soggy to me.
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WTF is a wimb? Oh, maybe she meant whim. LOL

Pennies? You make people bend over for you for pennies? You buy cloves of garlic? The whole freaking town where you live must know what a freak you are. You're screwed in the head, but we knew that.

What 29 year old person uses the term "tummy" for their stomach?

Priceless stuff.
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You twit.

Hot food goes, there is no stopping to re-read a ticket when you were already told where to take it. It delays the food, makes it start cooling off, and can cause an accident in an already crowded kitchen. That kind of crap gets you fired.

When I expo-ed, the tickets went into my shirt pocket. No food runner, balancing a tray on their shoulder, is going to grope my breasts to get that ticket when I already told them where to take it. And some places hand carry food. They aren't going to set the plates down and demand to see the ticket. There's no time for that. Once I hand the food over and tell them where to take it, I'm already working with the next runner. The first runner has to be out of the way or they'll slow down the entire line.

You have no clue, as usual.

Moron.

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do you realize that if you dont pay the entire charge card balance that you are charged interest? I wonder how much in interest you would loose on .36 cents.
I get upset about my 86 year old grandmother in the old folks home having anxiety attacks. Or the dermatologist finding a precancerous spot on my 14 year old sons back. I am pissed because my fathers doctor put him on the wrong medication for his heart problem, now that really ticked me off. Ranch dressing? Not a chance.
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"Do you realize that if you dont pay the entire charge card balance that you are charged interest? I wonder how much in interest you would loose on .36 cents."

I am NOT SURE WHERE you get that we don't pay our credit card on time, because we ALWAYS HAVE. WE NEVER have INTERESTS, if anything, we get CASH BACK BONUS REWARDS from Discover card. So we MAKE MONEY by using Discover card places where they will accept Discover. Some places don't accept Discover. So I have NO CLUE where you get we pay interests, we are EARNING MONEY by using our credit cards. We BOTH work you know. We don't have a note on a car or house or rent money.

"Ranch dressing? Not a chance."

As I said, EVERYONE is DIFFERENT in the way they react to situations.

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"That kind of crap gets you fired."

What's the POINT of working there if customers leave ZERO TIPS because their food is WRONG? WHY NOT get fired if you aren't going to make ANY TIPS?

"When I expo-ed, the tickets went into my shirt pocket."

Well, that was WRONG! You do NOT OWN the ticket, so you have NO RIGHT to do this.

"There's no time for that."

There IS TIME. Also, DON'T COMPLAIN about the lousy tip if the food isn't correct.

"Once I hand the food over and tell them where to take it."

That is a COMPLETE IDIOT to TRUST YOU or ANYONE for that matter. I wouldn't just TRUST that it's correct. Are you out of your mind?

"The first runner has to be out of the way or they'll slow down the entire line."

What is the point of rushing the line, if food is brought out wrong, then it messes up TIMING MORE? If the mistake could have been found BEFORE taking it to the customer, that would have SAVED TIME for EVERYONE in the restaurant, including the staff, other customers, and the current customer that has the messed up food.

"You have no clue, as usual."

NO, you have NO CLUE to hand something to someone and have someone else TRUST YOU. That's just plain STUPID!

It's just like when the mail man or woman delivers the mail. The mail person just puts their trust into the people that sorted the mail, that is EXACTLY WHY I get other people's mail lots of times. The mail person doesn't even take a minute to look at it, just puts it in the box like an IDIOT! If the mail person would verify the address is correct on each piece of mail, there wouldn't be as many mistakes as there are, which they are. We get a lot of times mail at home and at work with the WRONG ADDRESS. Sometimes close address, sometimes not even close. It's BULL that they can't take an extra minute to make sure it's correct.

The restaurant looses customers because if the food is wrong, then the service is crappy enough to make people NEVER want to go back again. So, it's ALWAYS BETTER to DOUBLE CHECK the person handing someone something. I know I'd look like an COMPLETE IDIOT if I would hand someone a hamburger that ordered a steak. I would feel VERY EMBARRASSED and so would practically anyone.
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Did you read my post? Let me explain it, If was the word in that sentence that kept it from being an accusation. I did not imply that you do not pay the balance, or make the payment on time. Where in my post could you have possibly derived that I was saying you do not pay you bills on time? Once again did you read my post? Also it is interest, not interests, just so you know. Kind of like Deer and not Deers.
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"there was 2 whole quarters."

As opposed to two half quarters?


"So for you, your hungry tummy may not matter, but MINE DOES"

Yup, she's definitely a 5-year-old girl. Saying the word "tummy" and checking pay phones for quarters were definitely things I did when I was 5.


"I am NOT SURE WHERE you get that we don't pay our credit card on time"

Firstly, that's not what she said. Secondly, interest has nothing to do with paying a bill on time. It has to do with carrying a balance from month to month (unless you have 0% APR). Lastly, credit card companies are not in business to give away money. I hardly think that, in the long run, you profit off of your credit card company.


"As I said, EVERYONE is DIFFERENT in the way they react to situations."

Which is why you should probably stop telling us what other people in restaurants want (like not wanting auto refills, wanting to leave as soon as they finish the last sip of their drink, etc) and why you should stop thinking that the vast majority thinks like you, which they don't.


"What's the POINT of working there if customers leave ZERO TIPS because their food is WRONG?"

Because no one except for you (and maybe a tiny sliver of the population, most of whom don't go out frequently because they are so miserable) does that.

Let’s assume everything you say is right: everyone leaves $0 (or something close to nothing) as a tip for food that is wrong. If that were true, none of us would be able to make the money we do. How do you explain that?


"Well, that was WRONG! You do NOT OWN the ticket, so you have NO RIGHT to do this."

Are you kidding me?

Okay...then who does the ticket belong to? Technically, it belongs to the restaurant because they pay for the printer, the ink and the paper.

What if the kitchen has no place to put the tickets? Management would mostly likely freak if she just let them all fall on the floor. That could also create a very likely scenario for someone to slip and fall, if the floor gets littered with dirty wet little papers. Not to mention the fact that you should save kitchen slips if you need to refer back to a ticket for any reason.

I'm only writing all this to show what a moron you are....


"There IS TIME. Also, DON'T COMPLAIN about the lousy tip if the food isn't correct."

Excuse me, but weren't you the one demanding instant service and wanting everything ASAFP? By your own idea of running a kitchen, your food would not only come out at least 10 minutes later than it should, it would be cold because it will have sat around on a counter while a line of servers double and triple check plates that have already been pulled from the heat lamps.


"What is the point of rushing the line"

So that you, you psycho, get your food hot and fast and fresh.

Let’s also not forget that the plates of food have been...
1) Checked by the people on the line
2) Checked by expo, or whoever picks up the ticket and food
3) Visually looked over by the person running the food

So your idea would increase the checking to at least 4 times. And you can increase it all you want, but nothing can be correct 100% of the time. The only thing it will do is delay your food.


"It's just like when the mail man or woman delivers the mail."

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Umm, no it's really not.


"The restaurant looses customers because if the food is wrong"

No, restaurants lose customers and go out of business mostly because of these four things:
1) Bad location
2) Bad food
3) Not enough public knowledge
4) Bad atmosphere

If restaurants really did lose customers only by mistakes on orders, then no one would ever go out to eat.

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Okay, enough of making you look like a fool. What I really wanted to say was that I do not and never will agree with anything you say about how a restaurant should be run. It's really bugging me that you keep saying "you are OBVIOUSLY AGREEING with me" because I certainly am not. Here's what I am saying, and have been consistently saying for over a year:

- It is unfair and wrong to immediately blame your server and only your server for any and all mistakes
- It is the server's duty to get the order correct from the customer's mouth to the computer/order slip.
- It is any cooks job to check an order for mistakes before they sell it/tell people to take it out of the window.
- It is any expo/runner's duty to check orders for mistakes before sending/taking them out into the dining room (this may include the server themselves, but this also means the server may not be there to personally check, which is why you should not immediately blame your server if something went wrong)
- It is just plain decent for a server (and any other staff member who talks to you) to apologize for a mistake, but they are not obligated to grovel
- It is any staff members’ duty to alert management if something really bad has happened
- It is not up to a server whether or not you get free stuff or discounts
- Management is not obligated to give free stuff or discounts, with the exception of dry cleaning bills and other issues of damage at the fault of the restaurant
- It is everyone's responsibility to make sure orders are correct. However, no one is perfect.
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Well said thegirl! Somehow you will be repremanded by a 5 year old mentality but the ADULTS on this site will understand and aplaude you!
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One time about a year ago, I found 2 quarters in a pay phone at a grocery store. On a wimb, I just decided to look and there was 2 whole quarters.

Did you take those 2 whole quarters to the phone company or did you put them in YOUR pocket and STEAL them? Like I needed to ask an honest fair person like you what you did! I'm SURE that you took them STRAIGHT to the phone company since that money did NOT belong to you! And YOU would NEVER STEAL or TAKE WHAT IS NOT YOURS! How could I doubt you! I guess you forgot to tell us that you ran right over to the phone company and gave them those 2 whole quarters back! Afterall it's only FAIR. And we all know how you are all about FAIR!
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nuvola09
What you said was so right on... but again like thegirl... some 5 year old is going to come along, stomp thier feet... and find fault! And the rest of us ADULTS are cheering you on because YOU ARE RIGHT! This silverbullet is for you!
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OH but how could lard ass take them to the phone company because it was the persons fault that they left them their. Because it's always someone elses fault not her own!
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coorslite
"I guess you forgot to tell us that you ran right over to the phone company and gave them those 2 whole quarters back! Afterall it's only FAIR."

Actually, that's NOT FAIR at ALL. For one thing, that money WASN'T the phone company's money, that was a CUSTOMER'S money that FORGOT their change. Secondly, the NEXT PERSON that used the phone would have taken it when they got their change. So, the moral of the story is, the change is the customer's that left it there, NOT, I repeat, NOT the phone company's. HONESTLY, HOW IN THE HELL COULD IT BE THE PHONE COMPANY'S MONEY? That DOESN'T make ANY SENSE at ALL. It was a CUSTOMER who used the phone BEFORE I got to it, DUH! So, it's NOT STEALING, it's taking change from someone that was SO STUPID to FORGET THEIR CHANGE. STEALING would be taking it from their purse, wallet, or hand BEFORE they put it in the phone. Taking change AFTER they left is just taking the money that they DECIDED to leave, whether it was intentional or not to not look in the change part of the phone.

So, NO, it's NOT FAIR that the phone company gets to get a "CUSTOMER'S" money. HELL NO is that fair!

Same thing with soft drink machines. I have found change in those LOTS of times in my lifetime. It's the STUPID CUSTOMER that DIDN'T get their change, that actually OWNS the money. HOW does ANYONE KNOW WHO'S money it is if NO ONE SAW THEM LEAVE IT?
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It is not the server's fault if a food runner forgets a condiment or anything else for you. The server didn't bring your food to you.

There is a simple solution to this that you can try. If something is missing from your meal, simply ask the person that brought it to you for it. They will say "Ok I will be right back with that". You will have it in less then a minute. It's really not that big of a deal. Where I work we don't ever run our own food. Who ever is walking past with free hands takes the food from teh expo and runs it to the table. We don't use trays either. Some people can only carry 3 large plates at a time. When there is more then 3 people at the table the person either will have someone follow them or drop off the food, and let the table know the rest is on the way. That is a perfect time to request anything that was missed or still needed.

Instead of holding a grudge against the server for the little mistake, just ask for what you need so that you can get it quickly.

Somebody else already said that the cooks check the food as they are putting it on the plates, then the expo checks the food as they are handing it off or putting it on the tray for someone to take. Your server is not personally responsible for the mistake because your server turned in the ticket correct.

Again....and I know I am repeating myself...ASK FOR WHAT YOU NEED IF THE PERSON THAT BRINGS THE FOOD FORGETS IT.
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Nope you are wrong lords... that money belongs to the phone company, pepsi, coke... and you are WRONG! It doesn't belong to you! But you are to LAZY AND MEAN AND UNCARING TO FIND OUT WHO IT BELONGS TO! FIND OUT WHO WAS THERE FIRST! YOU ARE ONLY WORRIED ABOUT FREE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET THAT YOU DID NOT WORK FOR! HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT THOSE 2 WHOLE QUARTERS BELONGED TO YOU! So guess you will burn in hell for stealing... imagine that!
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One more point, Lords, on why not every single person who handles the food should be reading the ticket: having a single person as expo is a better way of communicating with the kitchen. If you've forgotten to ring something in or something wasn't asked for until the rest of the order had be rung in, you only have one person, the expo, to alert about the change. You can stop everything in the restaurant to let every single person know to hold the onions of table 12 just in case they happen to handle the order. The expo is responsible for that. But once again, we're still people not computers (thank god, can you imagine the problems if microsoft started selling automated servers)and mistakes happen.
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lmao .... Server 98, server ME, Server Xp.....Which server would work out the best?

Downloading patches for the server.....lmao sorry too funny
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spaz... no tip for loa... we are waiting how many minutes for her to look up some anal website to back her up and we were here first! We were here first... how mean!
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MINE MINE MINE. ME ME ME.

Kiss my ass, serve me well and let me count my pennies while you run for my trashy condiments, I'm an IMPOTENT person and if you want my pennies you has to earn them.

Lords you are a pig.

That is all this lord of ass is about. She's a parsimonious ho.
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I know this isn't the point of these posts, but I take issue with the use of the word stupid. A person forgetting their change doesn't make them stupid. That's a pretty large assessment to make about a person because they didnt take their change from the slot. That's a little harsh dont you think?
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Oh boy, here we go again.

What's the POINT of working there if customers leave ZERO TIPS because their food is WRONG? WHY NOT get fired if you aren't going to make ANY TIPS?

I've never been fired, ever. Never been let go for any other reason. Zero tips? Please. That is a rarity.

Well, that was WRONG! You do NOT OWN the ticket, so you have NO RIGHT to do this.

Actually, I do own the tickets. They are my responsibility, and no one else was allowed to take them as PER MANAGEMENT. Only the lead cook and myself. That was it. They went into my pocket, where I could reference them as needed.

There IS TIME. Also, DON'T COMPLAIN about the lousy tip if the food isn't correct.

I can complain about cheapasses all I wish. And, there is no time. You don't have a clue, as usual, fatass.

That is a COMPLETE IDIOT to TRUST YOU or ANYONE for that matter. I wouldn't just TRUST that it's correct. Are you out of your mind?

You obviously are to assume that my employees were complete idiots. I, as most expos are, was in charge of the runners. I was their boss. They did as I said, or they didn't work. Period.

What is the point of rushing the line, if food is brought out wrong, then it messes up TIMING MORE? If the mistake could have been found BEFORE taking it to the customer, that would have SAVED TIME for EVERYONE in the restaurant, including the staff, other customers, and the current customer that has the messed up food.

Having to correct the 1 in perhaps 15 plates that gets messed up does not slow down the line any where near a much as it would for my runners to stand around, groping at me for tickets and not doing their jobs as I tell them to do it.

NO, you have NO CLUE to hand something to someone and have someone else TRUST YOU. That's just plain STUPID!

It is their job to do as I say, immediately. That's the way of it. YOU have never worked in a real restaurant, so you have no idea. Shut up, bitch.

It's just like when the mail man or woman delivers the mail. The mail person just puts their trust into the people that sorted the mail, that is EXACTLY WHY I get other people's mail lots of times. The mail person doesn't even take a minute to look at it, just puts it in the box like an IDIOT! If the mail person would verify the address is correct on each piece of mail, there wouldn't be as many mistakes as there are, which they are. We get a lot of times mail at home and at work with the WRONG ADDRESS. Sometimes close address, sometimes not even close. It's BULL that they can't take an extra minute to make sure it's correct.

You moron. Restaurants are nothing like the mail. A) The mailman has to run a route miles long. An ex of mine happens to be a carrier. It took him 8 hours to run his route. I'd like to know if you have any idea how much longer it would take him if he did things your screwed up way. B) He is supposed to just put it in the box, as his boss tells him to do. It's not like you can't just take the mail that doesn't belong to you and stick it back in the box...takes you seconds. Get over yourself, whore.

The restaurant looses customers because if the food is wrong, then the service is crappy enough to make people NEVER want to go back again.

That's completely inaccurate. Incorrect food does not translate into bad service. Moron.

So, it's ALWAYS BETTER to DOUBLE CHECK the person handing someone something.

Not if it's your boss and you want to keep your job.

I know I'd look like an COMPLETE IDIOT if I would hand someone a hamburger that ordered a steak.

Well, you already do, so that's no big deal. Nothing unfamiliar there.

I would feel VERY EMBARRASSED and so would practically anyone.

No, we'd simply say, "I'm sorry, let me go get you the proper entree." And that rarely happens. Usually, the tray is handed off with "T-bone at seat1, lasagna at 2 for 31."

Freaking dolt.
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Hey everyone seems like that brick wall keeps getting thicker! Think all that MAYO is clogging her brain? Me I am having a really bad day/night. My friend Shaun's mom is on her way to NY to find out tomorrow why a gaurd was on a fork lift that he had no business being on killed her son.. so my thoughts are with her not LOA, who doesn't have a clue about life and compassion and love. Momma, girl, jammie and the rest of you... please give a private shout out to Mrs. Washington tonight or tomorrow when you get up! Sorry but I am too depressed to respond to her insanity. BUT I LOVE YOU ALL! Thank you all for doing what you do best and for being there for me! If I was "smart" I'd have started a new thread for my misery but I am just me and needed to vent. AND I swear lords if you reply to this I will not only freak out I will committ internet suicide!~
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Good Luck to Mrs. W. Hope she gets some answers, and some peace.
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"If something is missing from your meal, simply ask the person that brought it to you for it."

I have posted about this ALREADY, but I will explain myself ONCE AGAIN.

I went to Applebee's in October. I ordered a grilled chicken sandwich with 2 sides of mayonnaise, 1 side of mustard and 1 side of ranch. The waiter wrote down everything and I even had it written down for him, which I gave him the paper. The food runner came out with my sandwich with NONE of the condiments. I told the food runner "I ordered 2 sides of mayonnaise, 1 side of mustard, and 1 side of ranch." "SHE" DIDN'T bring out ANYTHING. The waiter had to. What happened is that the waiter saw me NOT eating, which was about a minute after I received my food. The waiter told me "I printed the ticket right, but they are TOO LAZY to read the ticket." So, by the time he got all those condiments, I waited a good 3-4 minutes, not even mentioning that my bacon was NOT extra crispy, it was VERY SOGGY, which I had specifically ordered it crispy which you CAN SEE IT ON THE SIDE OF THE SANDWICH. Meaning, the person that delivers the food DOESN'T have to TOUCH IT to see the mistake. Anyway, my point is the food runner NEVER BROUGHT OUT MY CONDIMENTS. SO that is a LIE that they will ALWAYS DO THIS.

"They will say "Ok I will be right back with that". You will have it in less then a minute."

It's RARE, that it's ONLY like 30 seconds. That has been like a FEW TIMES that's happened. MOST of the time, I'm sitting there NOT EATING WAITING SEVERAL MINUTES for my condiments.

"Your server is not personally responsible for the mistake because your server turned in the ticket correct."

I HATE when people state this. WHO GIVES A SH** if I receive the WRONG FOOD if the DAMN TICKET is printed 100% correctly. At Chili's in October, I ordered the baby back ribs with instead of cinnamon apples, I said I wanted EXTRA FRIES. I also asked for 2 sides of honey bar-b-que sauce, 1 side of ranch, and 1 side of mayonnaise. When I received my food, I got a BIG BOWL of cinnamon apples with ONLY 1 side of ranch and the ribs. That's PATHETIC! The MOST OBVIOUS mistake was the big bowl of cinnamon apples. She wrote the order down. The manager got called because my margarita was taking over 20 minutes and I mentioned the WHOLE situation to the manager. She told me "She printed the ticket correctly." I told her "WHY did she bring it out to me WRONG?" WHAT GOOD DOES THIS DO REALLY? What's the POINT of printing the ticket correctly if the end result is a WRONG ORDER and a pissed off customer? So the SERVER IS 100% RESPONSBILE for ANY MISTAKES that are VISABLE. I can't say they are completely responsible for a pickle that wasn't suppose to be on a burger or a burrito that has been filled with the wrong filling. WHO KNOWS if the ticket was printed correctly or if it's the cook's fault in those situations, but situations where you can see a "BIG BOWL" and I SPECIFICALLY ORDERED EXTRA FRIES INSTEAD of cinnamon apples. It's VERY STUPID of the server to bring it out WRONG. The server is RESPONSBILE to COMPARE "WHAT ORDER THEY WROTE DOWN" with the PLATE OF FOOD making sure EVERY SINGLE component they can see WITHOUT TOUCHING the food is 100% CORRECT.

It's like when I received from the SAME SERVER Quesadillas instead of Bar-b-que Chicken Nachos. He admitted he printed the ticket wrong, but WHY bring it to me WITHOUT VERIFYING ALL COMPONENTS?

WHY TRUST CO-WORKERS? They are making the server's tips go down by making mistakes. If the server can't make the effort to take an extra 20-30 seconds to verify that EVERY SINGLE thing is correct that they can SEE, then WHAT kind of tip do you think they DESERVE? The server or WHOEVER brings out the food is responsible for what's printed on the ticket. If the server his or herself printed the wrong thing, then it's the SERVER'S fault completely. If the food runner didn't know the server printed the ticket wrong, it's the server's fault completely. If the ticket is printed 100% correctly, but the cook forgot something, it's up to the SERVER to make it right.

Think about it. Let's say you are the customer
spaz0matic. Let's hypothetically say you order a grilled chicken sandwich. The server printed the ticket correctly, but the cook thought he read "Cheeseburger." You bring the entree out to the customer as a steak. HOW STUPID DOES THAT LOOK to the customer? It REALLY LOOKS BAD. Just because you printed the ticket 100% correct DOESN'T mean the cook did their job 100% correct. NEVER, EVER, EVER, trust OTHER CO-WORKERS for your tip EVER! Just like hostess, when the hostess forgets the utensils, which at Chili's has lots of times and a mexican restaurant I've gone to before has. It's up to the "SERVER" to get the utensils or at least attempt to ASK the hostess to get them. It's NEVER up to the CUSTOMER to get their OWN utensils EVER. My point is, the "SERVER" is 100% responsible for mistakes that are VISABLE WITHOUT TOUCHING someone's food. Meaning, if I've ordered a side of ranch, it SHOULD be on the plate, even if you've printed the ticket correctly, WHY would that matter if the END PRODUCT IS NOT CORRECT?

My grilled chicken sandwich at Applebee's was not as good as it COULD HAVE BEEN if I would have had my bacon EXTRA CRISPY as I had ordered it, which I DIDN'T send back because I was SO CONCERNED WITH MY ALL the missing condiments. Secondly, if the waiter would have CARED, he would have done EXACTLY like the waitress at Joe's Crab Shack did, which was got me the condiments BEFORE my meal EVER arrived. She said she wanted to make sure she didn't forget it. THAT is the kind of service EVERYONE SHOULD RECEIVE. People that give a sh** if your food is 100% correct or not.

The same server that took the order brings the food out wrong looks STUPID as all HELL. Think about it, THE ONLY, and I mean, THE ONLY person that TRULY KNOWS WHAT I SAID is the "SERVER." The cook has NO CLUE WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID. If there is a food runner, they only know what's on the ticket if they BOTHER TO READ THE DAMN TICKET, which MOST OF THEM DON'T it seems or the server doesn't print the ticket correctly, so I don't receive what I ordered.

If I order a side of bar-b-que sauce, I should get it WITH my meal.

http://www.mtsusidelines.com/media/paper202/news/2003/10/01/Opinions/Tips-Are.Ea rned.Rewards.Not.An.Ordained.Right-508957.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.mtsus idelines.com

As I quoted this site before: "Never, ever take food out that is incorrectly done (I had a waitress rip me a new one for something I goofed up on as a cook and she demanded I fix it then and there - and she was right and I learned)."

THIS is HOW IT SHOULD BE, to CORRECT mistakes BEFORE they are EVER taken to the customer as far as things that can be seen. A side of mayonnaise can be seen. A side of mashed potatoes instead of beans CAN BE SEEN.

To everyone else:

http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1926

“Every time I order a sandwich, I *specifically* request that there NOT be a pickle on the side.”

“And, every time I order a sandwich, I get a pickle. Best case, it's only touching a few fries and isn't juicing up the platter yet. Worst case, it or its essence has corrupted my sandwich and most of the fries.”

“For me, it's when the wait person leaves the bill and never returns and I need summon the only person on the floor to retrieve.”

http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1926&page=4

“My mother is the same way. Me, being a pickle conoisseur (or however you spell that).”

Basically my point is, there are people that are like me.


Thegirl
“Actually, I do own the tickets.”

The RESTAURANT OWNS the tickets, NOT YOU!

“It's not like you can't just take the mail that doesn't belong to you and stick it back in the box...takes you seconds. Get over yourself, whore.”

For one thing, it’s the responsibility of the person that puts the mail in the box to get it right. So YOU need to get over yourself. I shouldn’t have to take an extra minute to go put it back and some people don’t you know, so my mail may not get to me. I DO put other people’s mail back into the mailbox to be NICE, which is something you seem to NOT by calling me a whore.

“Incorrect food does not translate into bad service. Moron.”

YES it DOES 100%. If they can’t get the food 100% correct, YES it IS VERY MUCH BAD SERVICE. YOU are the MORON that can’t UNDERSTAND THAT.

http://www.complaints.com/directory/2005/july/7/26.htm

http://www.complaints.com/august2002/complaintoftheday.august6.33.htm

http://www.complaints.com/complaintofthedayfebruary12001.16.htm

http://www.complaints.com/september2003/complaintoftheday.september15.12.htm

“I understand there are many combinations of pasta's and sauce's but each order should be written down or remembered exactly as each guests wants it.”

This IS HOW it SHOULD BE! EXACTLY as the “GUESTS” wants it.

So tell me, how is it that getting the order INCORRECT NOT bad service? IT IS, just look at ALL THESE COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT!

“Not if it's your boss and you want to keep your job.”

What’s the point of keeping your job if you get it wrong and receive a BAD TIP?

http://www.complaints.com/complaintofthedayfebruary132001.11.htm

I am SHOCKED that people complain about paying for something that DIDN’T go wrong. This man is complaining about an extra dollar when he ORDERED IT THAT WAY. I HATE people like that. I feel if the manager says to charge for extras, they SHOULD. I would have been surprised because most places DON’T charge you for extras like that, but NOT unwilling to pay or accept the extra charges nor would it make me not want to go back. It’s NOT a rip off as that person said; it’s PAYING FOR WHAT YOU ORDER!

nuvola09
"Lastly, credit card companies are not in business to give away money."

The cash back bonus rewards PAID for our $300 Saints season tickets in 2004. We had a little extra left from the bonus reward money after that money was taken out. So, YES, they gave away money to us for using THEIR card.

"It's just like when the mail man or woman delivers the mail."

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Umm, no it's really not."

YES it IS! Double checking what you give to the person instead of just TRUSTING the co-worker.

"If restaurants really did lose customers only by mistakes on orders, then no one would ever go out to eat."

NO, they just choose to go to OTHER restaurants like we have. We stopped going to certain restaurants BECAUSE OF BAD SERVICE. We stopped going to restaurants that can't get the orders correct if we've gone a lot of times and we had a lot of mess ups.

Also, if enough people tell people about bad experiences, it will make people not want to TRY the restaurant to begin with. Why do you think chain restaurants give freebies? So they can lose money and the people NEVER come back? NO, it's so the person can have a NICE experience the NEXT time and tell their friends that they have had a manager or the owner of the restaurant that actually CARES if something goes wrong by giving them a discount or freebie for bad service.

"The only thing it will do is delay your food."

I'd RATHER my food be DELAYED than to receive it WRONG. That is my HONEST answer, HONESTLY! I'd rather them take 3-5 minutes MORE to get my order 100% correct when it is brought out to me. It does NO GOOD if I'm not going to eat it ANYWAY without the condiments. My food is getting cooler ANYWAY.

I don't know ANYONE that eats a sandwich completely dry. I am pretty sure SOME people do, but the majority of people don't eat a sandwich completely dry with NO anything like at least mustard or ketchup or something like that.

"It is any expo/runner's duty to check orders for mistakes before sending/taking them out into the dining room (this may include the server themselves."

This is DEFINATELY a statement that we AGREE on.

"But this also means the server may not be there to personally check, which is why you should not immediately blame your server if something went wrong)."

Yes the SERVER is to blame, because if a condiment is missing, it IS the server's fault, because as I said before, I have had servers bring condiments BEFORE my meal arrives, meaning, they TOOK CHARGE of getting the customer's order correct AHEAD of time. So, YES, if the food runner DOESN'T bring out the condiments with the meal, it's BOTH the food runner and the server's fault EQUALLY 50% each person. The food runner should have read the ticket, BUT, the server COULD HAVE just brought the condiments BEFORE the meal as I have been served a few times as far as me NOT asking to bring the condiments BEFORE my meal. So, YES, the SERVER is at fault for missing condiments. That is something that can be brought out ANYTIME BEFORE the meal arrives. Like if someone wants a side of cocktail sauce, it CAN be brought out BEFORE the meal. It doesn't really have to be brought WITH the meal. I'd rather them have my condiments when my food arrives, than them forget them and have to sit there waiting to eat the way I like it.

"Let’s also not forget that the plates of food have been...
1) Checked by the people on the line
2) Checked by expo, or whoever picks up the ticket and food
3) Visually looked over by the person running the food."

If the food is checked SO MUCH, WHY are there SO MANY DAMN MISTAKES? WHY are there OBVIOUS mistakes? Why are there SO MANY mistakes on two plates such as the food runner that didn't bring ANY of my condiments that I asked for at Chili's which were 2 sides of mayonnaise and 1 side of mustard. My husband's entree had the WRONG side as well. I know the ticket COULD have been printed wrong, but maybe it wasn't.

Also, if it was checked THAT many times, I would get my order correct MOST of the time, which I hardly EVER get it COMPLETLEY correct unless I order it "AS IS" off the menu or say "1" side of ranch, which a lot of times they'll remember 1 side, but sometimes they don't even remember that.

It's BULL that they check the food that many times. The server them self DOESN'T check the food at all sometimes. Just like the waitress that brought out a bowl of cinnamon apples as well as NO 2 sides of bar-b-que sauce and NO 1 side of mayonnaise. She also had the AUDACITY to ask me after she handed me my food “So what did you order?” She even wrote EVERYTHING DOWN but was TOO LAZY to READ the order she wrote down. I can’t believe she wanted me to repeat my order after waiting about a half an hour for my food and THEN she wants to know, even though she wrote everything down. She didn’t verify a damn thing. The ONLY condiment I had was 1 side of ranch that I had ordered. She took the plate of food to me with the big bowl of cinnamon apples on my plate. That is just plain STUPID of her, when she was the one that took the order, so she SHOULD KNOW what I ordered because I told HER, NOT the cook.
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*yawn*
The RESTAURANT OWNS the tickets, NOT YOU!

BUZZ! Wrong answer! They are my responsibility as expo, not anyone else's. NO ONE ELSE, management included, takes those tickets. NO ONE.

For one thing, it’s the responsibility of the person that puts the mail in the box to get it right. So YOU need to get over yourself.

I'm not the one on here bitching about how important I am! YOU ARE! YOU are the one with the complex, not me.

I shouldn’t have to take an extra minute to go put it back and some people don’t you know, so my mail may not get to me.

Bummer. You might not get a coupon for Chili's.

I DO put other people’s mail back into the mailbox to be NICE, which is something you seem to NOT by calling me a whore.

YOU? Nice? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, you aren't. You are a whore. A nasty, self absorbed, bitchy, disease ridden skank who should die.

If you were truly nice, you freaking coward, you'd never have made your comments about my grandmother or jena's grandfather. You would understand why kids matter more than adults in some situations. Most importantly, you would apologize like a decent person. YOU ARE A BITCH, A SLUT, AND A WHORE. You deserve nothing more than my derision.

YES it DOES 100%. If they can’t get the food 100% correct, YES it IS VERY MUCH BAD SERVICE. YOU are the MORON that can’t UNDERSTAND THAT.

You are the moron who cannot get it through her fat ass thick skull that there are things beyond a server's control.

Dumbass. Moron. Slut. Whore.
"Life's gonna suck when you grow up"
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“Think about it. Let's say you are the customer
spaz0matic. Let's hypothetically say you order a grilled chicken sandwich. The server printed the ticket correctly, but the cook thought he read "Cheeseburger." You bring the entree out to the customer as a steak. HOW STUPID DOES THAT LOOK to the customer? It REALLY LOOKS BAD. Just because you printed the ticket 100% correct DOESN'T mean the cook did their job 100% correct. NEVER, EVER, EVER, trust OTHER CO-WORKERS for your tip EVER! Just like hostess, when the hostess forgets the utensils, which at Chili's has lots of times and a mexican restaurant I've gone to before has. It's up to the "SERVER" to get the utensils or at least attempt to ASK the hostess to get them. It's NEVER up to the CUSTOMER to get their OWN utensils EVER. My point is, the "SERVER" is 100% responsible for mistakes that are VISABLE WITHOUT TOUCHING someone's food. Meaning, if I've ordered a side of ranch, it SHOULD be on the plate, even if you've printed the ticket correctly, WHY would that matter if the END PRODUCT IS NOT CORRECT?”


LMFAO…Lords….If I ordered something and I was brought the wrong thing, I would let them know that there is a mistake politely, and ask for it to be corrected. I would not blame the server for a food runner bringing me the wrong food. I would not blame the server if the server came and told me the cook prepared the wrong food and has to remake it. When the server printed the ticket 100% correct the server did their job period.

It does matter if the end product is not correct. The server doesn’t take your order then cook it for you and bring it to you. The server takes the order, sends it to the kitchen, the cooks make the food, an expo sends the food out with a food runner, then the server checks to make sure everything is ok after you have had a chance to try your food. The only time the server has the ability to correct the situation is when they come to make sure that you are ok. If the server runs the food then they can add your condiments to the food, or if they don’t have enough hands for your extras they can drop off the food and let you know that they will be right back with your food. You don’t need to with hold the tip for things that are out of the server’s control. If something is wrong you need to use your voice and let the server know. Contrary to popular belief we don’t have crystal balls.

I really don’t care about the Applebee’s story. I have read this rant many times. I don’t work at Applebee’s. I don’t eat at Applebee’s. I work at an upscale place. When you use your voice, and let the server know that something was forgotten or is incorrect, the server will get it corrected for you. Servers are not out to ruin your meal. Servers want customers to enjoy their dining experience. It is part of the job. Most of your problems can be fixed by just letting someone know what you require.

Along with the “end product being incorrect”, you wouldn’t blame a cashier at a boutique for you shirt being designed wrong. There are other people that make the shirt. The cashier just sells it to you. Why would you blame the server for the cook preparing your food wrong? The server only sold the food to you. The server didn’t make the food. Just like the cashier didn’t make the shirt. Also the cashier didn’t deliever the shirt to the store either. A food runner delievers your food. We work with middle men. We all have specific jobs. I would get in trouble if I stood at the window waiting on my food instead of running other servers’ food. We all have a job to do. We don’t micromanage the restaurant, that is not our job.
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"I'd rather them take 3-5 minutes MORE to get my order 100% correct when it is brought out to me."

What you don't understand is the domino effect your theory would create. This statement just proves how self-centered you are, sitting in your own little world. You really do think you are the only friggin person being served in restaurants.

The result of "1-5 minutes" would only happen if your food was the only order being quadruple-checked in the way you want. What you are actually proposing is every order be checked this way. The domino effect of this would push every order back further and further. It might take your food 20 minutes from the time it gets pulled from the heat lamps until it actually gets walked out of the kitchen.


"Yes the SERVER is to blame, because if a condiment is missing, it IS the server's fault, because as I said before, I have had servers bring condiments BEFORE my meal arrives, meaning, they TOOK CHARGE of getting the customer's order correct AHEAD of time."

Once again, every server and manager (and human) who I have spoken to on this subject thinks it is gross and low-class. This goes back to the original question posed by Jena in the other thread: if your boss asked you to do something a certain way, would you deliberately defy them?

Only thinking about that question and NOT applying it to restaurants, let’s run a typical office scenario: You work as a secretary for a pharmaceutical insurance company. You are told to type up outlines containing basic company info for each establishment the insurance company represents each time there is a claim. Your boss tells you to write up these outlines as claims come in, for the purpose of having the most up-to-date information. You, however, decide that it is more effective to type up outlines before claims happen. These outlines end up sitting in folders and eventually become outdated, but you reach in and use them anyway each time a claim comes up. This causes more problems, more work and dissatisfaction on both ends. Especially because your boss told you to do something a certain way, and you didn't do it.

This scenario is not unlike you wanting (and expecting) servers to deliberately defy their managers.


"It's BULL that they check the food that many times."

Umm, since you have no experience in a real kitchen, you can't say this. You're also suggesting that the cooks don't even look at the ticket before they make something, which is impossible. You're too stupid.....

By the way, you're still using quotations improperly. Good job.
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in addition about the whole "NEVER, EVER, EVER, trust OTHER CO-WORKERS for your tip EVER!" issue. Lords, you're just wrong, plain and simple. Here is what most companies and managers go by:

Depending on Each Other
Knowledge sharing, collaboration, innovation and business success all rest on a foundation of trust

by Lisa Abrams
From Knowledge Management Magazine August 2001

Most companies fall somewhere in the middle; employees feel a low level of trust for others and expect them to behave positively some of the time. The risk is that a colleague may choose not to contribute during a crucial point for the company. Employees also are more likely to trust colleagues in their own group or division than those with whom they don’t have regular contact.

The challenge for management is to create widespread trust among co-workers in different functional divisions and at remote sites so effective knowledge sharing and collaboration can occur.



If you honestly expect to run a business as hands-on as a restaurant with zero trust among employees and expect things to go smoothly, you're truly delusional. Trust is the basis for teamwork, which is what makes a successful organization of any kind.
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Nuvola, you are right we have to trust the hostess to seat us properly. The bartender to make the drinks correctly, the cook to prepare the meal correctly, then the food runner to deliver it. Unless we are a one man band, which is totally absurd.
lords at your job, you have a function, somebody does their job and hands it to you, to do what ever it is you do. So you are trusting that this person has done their job for you to be able to do yours.
Just so you know I dont think a server is stupid for making a mistake. As a bartender, when I make an error, I dont feel stupid. I am more concerned with correcting it. Not many people are that judgemental, no my server isn't a drooling blabbering idiot because a mistake was made.
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Lords, I will type really really slow because I know that a five year old hooked on phonics can't read well. You need to go to a site and spew your ignorance there that cares about what you have to say, or write a book. Yes I am mean, I am uncaring, yes I care about my money... I really don't care about you. And the reasons I don't care about you are...

1. You don't listen.
2. You think you know everything already.
3. You don't want to learn.
4. You insult the people that try to teach you
about we as real restaurant employees go threw
to get you all of your off the wall requests.
5. You have no human compassion for your fellow
man. It is always about you and your hurt.
6. You have no manners.
7. You have a rotten attitude on life in general.
8. You don't care about anything or anyone but
"YOU"
9. No matter what we say to you there is always
a post after you stew about it. And if you
can't find a way to do it, you jump over to bw
and tell the same story hoping someone will
see it your way. They don't either!
10. YOU NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR SAYING MEAN THINGS TO PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP YOU!


There are people on both boards that I have never met... yet I respect with all my heart! I know that they work harder in one day or night than you ever will in a year. Yet you judge them and call them stupid and lazy. You go out to eat and expect to have a miserable meal. Yes you do. Otherwise you wouldn't have one. You really need to go to depressionhurts.com You have issues that go way beyond going out to eat. If you can't enjoy a few minutes chatting with your husband then maybe you need to think about a divorce. If you can't enjoy being with him that much there are some problems. Stop taking them out on your server, bartender... and god forbid you have any animals!


PS To the compassionate humans on this board... waiting to hear from Shaun's mom now... hope it is good news! Thank you jammie! And all that put her in your prayers and thoughts!
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jammie
"So you are trusting that this person has done their job for you to be able to do yours."

Actually, NO, remember, I have CAUGHT MISTAKES such as invoices that don't have addresses MANY TIMES. Just the other day I caught an error. I DON'T just trust them that they put the invoice in the envelope and just put it through the machine. I actually MAKE SURE there's an ADDRESS on the envelope. I could be LAZY and just stick a large set of envelopes like 7 at a time and just let the machine stamp them. That would just be plain STUPID to TRUSTS that they did EVERYTHING PERFECTLY.

"Unless we are a one man band, which is totally absurd."

NO, it's ABSURD that I don't even get utensils from hostess. Hostess aren't as busy as servers or bartenders in general.

"Nuvola, you are right we have to trust the hostess to seat us properly."

HOW come I have been seated UNPROPERLY SO MANY TIMES and the server's not even notice? My husband and I were sitting by people and he ended up getting our utensils. The people that were by us got delivered food without utensils. That's PATHETIC of the server NOT to NOTICE NO UTENSILS BEFORE bringing food to the customers. It's NOT the CUSTOMER'S that are suppose to get their OWN utensils. So, if the hostess didn't work as a team player, then it's the SERVER'S job to get the utensils. You really can't expect the customer to have to get it themselves or eat like a dog. It's like WHAT CHOICE does the server have either to go get the missing utensils or ask the hostess which may forget right after asking, which means the customers won't be able to eat their salad or whatever. Sometimes people just have to do OTHER PEOPLE'S JOBS. At my previous job, I had to sit at the receptionist desks MORE HOURS of my day if the receptionist was out. I was a FILE CLERK and a BACKUP receptionist a couple of hours a day, NOT 3 or more hours in a row, but I had to do it. We ALL had to work as a TEAM, meaning, since the person wasn't there to do their job, SOMEONE ELSE HAD TO. SAME THING with utensils, if the hostess didn't do their job, the server should do their job for them or at least attempt to ask the hostess for utensils, but if they walk all the way over there anyway, WHY NOT just grab some?

spaz0matic
"I would not blame the server for a food runner bringing me the wrong food. I would not blame the server if the server came and told me the cook prepared the wrong food and has to remake it."

I DON'T blame the server for something such as a burger not medium well, a burrito filled with the wrong filling, a pickle on a sandwich, and other things such as that the server CANNOT CONTROL.

I blame the server for things they CAN CONTROL such as MISSING CONDIMENTS. The server at Joe's Crab Shack CONTROLLED the food being correct as far as getting my condiments WITHOUT me asking for the condiments BEFORE my meal. I ordered 3 sides of tartar sauce as I was ordering my meal. I NEVER told her to get the 3 tartar sauces BEFORE my meal, she did that ON HER OWN. Meaning she CONTROLLED the food from POSSIBLY coming out WITHOUT the 3 sides of tartar sauce. See, condiments ARE something that a server can get THEMSELVES, because I HAVE had this done a few times WITHOUT EVER ASKING for them to bring the condiments BEFORE my meal. I have even had a server in the last few months BEFORE I had a chance to ask her, she said "Can I bring those out before your meal?" See, because I asked for 2 sides of mayonnaise, 1 side of mustard, 1 side of ranch, and 1 side of bar-b-que sauce, she KNEW this was a LOT, so "SHE" decided to MAKE SURE my order was correct as far as condiments go. This was NOT a chain restaurant.

My point is, the SERVER has the ability to MAKE SURE the order is correct as far as things that CAN BE SEEN. For instance, at Applebee's, the food runner COULD SEE that my bacon WAS soggy. Soggy bacon is FLAT. It was HANGING OUT the sandwich.

Bacon that is CRISPY!

You can DEFINATELY SEE that the bacon IS CRISPY. If it was SOGGY, it would NOT look wavy, it would be FLAT like a tape measure hanging from the sandwich.

If the bacon is soggy and it was ordered CRISPY, it's the responsibilty of the SERVER to tell the cook "THIS IS WRONG, MAKE IT RIGHT", just like the website I quoted from.

http://www.mtsusidelines.com/media/paper202/news/2003/10/01/Opinions/Tips-Are.Earned.Rewards.Not.An.Ordained.Right-508957.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.mtsusidelines.com

"(I had a waitress rip me a new one for something I goofed up on as a cook and she demanded I fix it then and there.)"

See, as a COOK, that person REALIZED that the SERVER took CHARGE of her tip and TOOK CHARGE of getting the order CORRECT. So, if something isn't right that CAN BE SEEN, it's up to the SERVER to get it fixed by the cook. It is NOT and should NEVER be the customer to have to REPEAT their order when the food is delivered, EVER!

If the food runner forgot it, just maybe the ticket wasn't printed correctly, YOU DON'T KNOW for SURE. So if the ticket was printed incorrectly, it's the server's fault 100% for not bringing condiments out.

Let's say Joe Smoe asked for NO lettuce. If I was the server, I CAN see lettuce on that sandwich VERY WELL in that picture. So the RIGHT thing to do would be to TELL THE COOK to MAKE IT RIGHT by taking telling the cook to take OFF the lettuce. If the server can SEE IT, it's FIXABLE BEFORE it EVER gets to the customer. If the server prints the ticket correctly, if the food runner didn't read the ticket and there are missing condiments, THAT is DEFINATELY the SERVER'S fault because server's CAN DEFINATELY get those BEFORE the meal arrives. The server DOESN'T have to DEPEND on the food runner to do their job, they REALLY DON'T. The ONLY person you can REALLY TRUST is YOURSELF!

If the bacon is soggy and I ordered it CRISPY and the ticket is printed correctly, then if a food runner takes the food to me, it's up to the FOOD RUNNER to TELL the cook. It IS the cook's fault that he cooked it wrong NOT following what the ticket stated, BUT, the food runner has the POWER for it to be fixed correctly. If the food runner doesn't, the tip will still be affected because food runners DO still get tips, just as the hostess and bussers. If I don't get my utensils by the time I have ordered my food, YES, I WILL take off some for that. Hostess make tips too and the SERVER can be OBSERVANT to see we don't have ANY utensils. So, it's still the SERVER that's at fault if the hostess doesn't do their job. If you can SEE it, IT CAN BE FIXED! If it's the cook that has to fix something, then TELL the cook, if the hostess didn't get utensils - GO to get utensils, if the cook didn't put 2 sides of bar-b-que sauce on the plate - PUT 2 bar-b-que sauces on the plate or get the cook to get them BEFORE taking it to the customer.

If the bacon is soggy and I ordered it CRISPY, but the ticket is printed INCORRECTLY, then it's the SERVER's fault.

"The only time the server has the ability to correct the situation is when they come to make sure that you are ok."

That is a flat out LIE! All the stuff I stated above says it ALL. I HAVE had my condiments brought to me BEFORE my meal, so the situation was corrected before my meal HAD a PROBLEM or problems. Fix possible FORESEEABLE problem BEFORE it BECOMES a problem in the FUTURE. If what you are saying is true, then that cook on the website I quoted would have NEVER been told by a SERVER to FIX a problem BEFORE it got to the customer.

"You don’t need to with hold the tip for things that are out of the server’s control."

Don't you get it? The Joe's Crab Shack server TOOK CONTROL of the situation by bringing the condiments BEFORE my meal arrived WITHOUT me asking her even. IT IS in the CONTROL of the server as far as condiments go.

One time I had a waiter tell me after he handed me my meal without my condiments, which I reminded him about, he said "The KITCHEN forgot it." NO, the SERVER forgot to bring it out. Sure the cook may have made a mistake or maybe even the waiter didn't print the ticket correctly, but the waiter could be SMART ENOUGH to CHECK the plate of food to make sure EVERYTHING is there that was ordered BEFORE taking it to the customer. So, considering I've had 4 servers I can think of right now that OFFERED and/or actually brought out the condiments BEFORE my meal arrived, that should say it ALL! It is PROOF that missing condiments are IN the SERVER'S CONTROL 100%. The SERVER made sure it was correct as far as ANY missing condiments. SO, YES, the SERVER IS at fault for missing condiments.

The server is at fault if they took the order, to bring the sandwich in the picture with lettuce if I ordered it without lettuce. If the SERVER can see a mistake, it's THEIR fault if they take it to the custo