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teejay
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Username: teejay
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 7 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 12:33 pm: | 
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I have been reading through some of the threads here and some have made me extremely disappointed in the human race! I must also add that this is my first post on this site.
I am a server myself and am a darn good one at that! I make $2.13 an hour from my employer. I have read the arguement that restaurants should raise servers' hourly wage to compensate for the cheap bastards that don't tip. Restaurants are NEVER going to raise an employee's hourly wage. Each state has a legal minimum restaurants must pay their employees (most states are $2.13/hour). Do you people honestly believe restaurants are going to start paying their servers $8-$10 an hour when they LEGALLY can get away with $2.13? I don't think so! And I don't blame the restaurants. If a typical restaurant would increase thier servers' hourly wage to $8 an hour (still a crappy wage), they would be spending approximately $205.45 more each evening on servers' wages. Which would turn into $5,752.60 a month...$69.031.20 a year. And I calculated that based on an average weekday night when most restaurants staff 7 servers. It obviously goes up on the weekends and holidays. It can safely be said that restaurants withhold over $100,000 a year by paying their servers the LEGAL minimum. And that money saved usually covers the restaurant's butt for food costs, liquor spills, electrical bills, maintenence costs, cookware, silverware, dishes, glasses, and so on and so on and so on! This also covers the owners' butts when jerks (like some on these boards) complain about their food or drink and demand their food/drink be discounted. The cost of running a restaurant is extraordinary! How can one blame a restaurant for paying their servers the LEGAL minimum when other costs are so high? Servers are NEVER going to get more than the state legal limit per hour.
And may I add...servers get taxed on their hourly wage based on the sales they have each pay period. So, for example, if I had $2000 in sales for a pay period, the government would tax me approximately $160 based on 8% of my sales. Some states tax their servers more than 8%! So if I work 50 hours a pay period (60 is full time), my hourly wage would add up to $106.50 at $2.13 an hour. Oh my! I still owe the government $53.50! And everyone knows the government will make sure they get what you owe! But, where's the $53.50 that I owe the government going to come from if no one leaves me tips? TIPS ARE MANDATORY! Respect your servers like you want to be respected. Everyone knows the golden rule...treat others as you would like to be treated. If you can't follow that, STAY HOME! I guarantee if you don't tip me or even tip me well (because I deserve it) I will remember your face. And the next time you sit at one of my tables, I will likely tell you straight up I won't wait on you. Or I may play with you and disrespect you the way you first disrespected me! You want a lemon with your water...tough! You want fresh cracked pepper...find a way to get it! I'm not wasting my time on you when I have other tables that TIP ME!
And you wonder why you see Dateline specials revealing restaurant employees spitting and messing with diners' food. I guarantee it's not because the diner is treating the server with respect! If you can't respect your diner and compensate them for their hard work...you deserve spewed mucus in your entree. I've never done it and NEVER will, but I love the thought of rude diners taking a heaping bite of their food with slimey mucus mixed in. Should slide down nice and easy! Karma is a BITCH people. If you disrespect your server and don't tip, it will all come back to you sooner or later.
Another point that some ignorant idiots have made is that if we tip servers we have to start tipping secretaries, doctors, and plumbers? Are some of you really so stupid that you think that arguement will hold up in debate? These professions are receiving in excess of double/triple minimum wage at least. Of course, professions like doctors receive insane salaries. My mother cleans houses for plenty of doctors and consistently sees checks for millions of dollars laying around. One doctor had a tax refund check of $250,000. I guarantee if you tip him, he'll just laugh and buy his wife three dozen roses that week instead of his usual two dozen. If you tip me as a server, I will use that for life's essentials. Even if we do get tipped well as servers, we still aren't raking it in by any means. We need to make our ends meet just like the rest of society. Some of you ignorant f*ckers on here need a good SLAP in the face. I'll glady be the one to do it. |
m_shaw
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Username: m_shaw
Post Number: 47
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 7 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 04:48 pm: |
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This is EXACTLY why I hate to tip , this attitude. |
teejay
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Username: teejay
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 05:47 pm: |
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Is any other attitude expected when we are disrespected by jerks like yourself? I have this attitude towards non-tippers, but believe me, the people that do tip, receive the best service they've ever had. You, as the customer determine the service you receive from me. If you tip me well, the service will be phenomenal. If you don't tip me at all when I run my butt off for you, you don't receive service at all. If you don't pay your car mechanic's bill, chances are he/she won't accept your business the next time your car breaks down. You are left with a broken car. Just like you are left with an empty glass, dirty silverware, and dirty plates when you don't tip your hard working servers! So m_shaw, when dickheads like yourself disrespect servers, you, in turn, will be disrespected. You don't think it's correct for us to respond to disrespect? EAT AT HOME IDIOT! |
m_shaw
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Username: m_shaw
Post Number: 48
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 7 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 06:14 pm: |
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First respect is earned .
You, as the customer determine the service you receive from me. If you tip me well, the service will be phenomenal. If you don't tip me at all when I run my butt off for you, you don't receive service at all.
Sounds like extortion to me . Actually YOU the server determine the tip you will get from me , I am the customer , the sole judge , of the quality of your service ,it is my option to tip not a requirement.
If you don't pay your car mechanic's bill, chances are he/she won't accept your business the next time your car breaks down. You are left with a broken car. Just like you are left with an empty glass, dirty silverware, and dirty plates when you don't tip your hard working servers!
If I dont pay the bill , I dont get my car, it is then liened and sold at auction . You comparison is about as good as comparing an apple to an pick up truck .
And that Mister " dickhead " to you
I love this disrespect twist , if you think that the customers that come to your employeers place of business , that dont tip you what you think you are worth they are "dickheads" you may want to look for a job where you dont have to deal with the public
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teejay
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Username: teejay
Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2004 - 03:43 pm: |
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m_shaw, it's a fair bet that most people that would read this post would think you're quite ignorant and rude. Also, just like you wouldn't get your car if you didn't pay the bill...you don't get my service if you don't tip me. Easy as that. I'm sure you're used to horrible service beings that you don't tip. Unless you make sure you don't revisit a restaurant you've dined at before. Because, I'm sure servers you don't tip remember your face. I know I would hate being the talk of the back of the house at a restaurant with utterances such as "He's the jerk that doesn't tip. Make sure you don't do anything for him" or "Treat him as he treats us...give him nothing". And you wonder why you don't get good service? I think you should just service yourself and stay home. |
m_shaw
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Username: m_shaw
Post Number: 49
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 05:02 pm: |
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Since tipping is done at the end of the meal after service is provided , and I feel that the service was poor , and my tip or lack of reflects that , I will now recieve poor service from now on where you are an employee. You now tell all the other servers that "that customer doesnt tip" now poor service is recieved again?
You realy dont understand , customers dont need servers , its the servers that need the customers . When I recieve poor service I tell EVERYONE , friends , family AND those waiting in line for a meal . You sound like you are doing me a favor by waiting on me , sorry , THATS YOUR JOB
dont like the tip I left for you ? Thats telling you something , try harder next time . You thing you are good? you aren't the judge , the customer is , its their money they are parting with .
I know I would hate being the talk of the back of the house at a restaurant with utterances such as "He's the jerk that doesn't tip. Make sure you don't do anything for him" or "Treat him as he treats us...give him nothing".
How about the talk at the table , " this waiter is as bright as a 20 watt light bulb " , "he cant even get a water right " And you wonder why you dont get good tips.
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teejay
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Username: teejay
Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 12:51 am: |
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First of all m_shaw...SCREW YOU. I'm a phenomenal server and my customers would agree. I never have been stiffed and never will. I provide my guests with first-rate service. How dare you judge me by saying "this waiter is as bright as a 20 watt light bulb" when you have no clue what type of service I provide. For your information I have a college degree. It takes a little more than 20 watts to make it through college. I can, however, judge you because you have admitted to leaving no tip. I have an act to judge you by. My claim is backed up by your proof. You, on the other hand, have nothing to back up your "light bulb" claim. I've never provided my service to you. AND, if I ever would, I guarantee you'd leave me a tip because, like I said, I'm phenomenal. You don't get voted "Best Waiter" by a city publication if you're not. And, yes, I was voted "Best Waiter". I get GREAT tips because the service I provide is way beyond expectation. I never said tipping a horrible server is a necessity...I agree, some servers pull attitudes with their guests and don't deserve your (or my) money. I, on the other hand, provide great service and deserve to compensated or "thanked" by receiving a tip. So, m_shaw, don't judge me without ever having received my service. Plus, at least my light bulb's still shining and not burnt out like yours. |
trog3d
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Username: trog3d
Post Number: 20
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 04:25 pm: |
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Teejay wrote:
"Some states tax their servers more than 8%! So if I work 50 hours a pay period (60 is full time), my hourly wage would add up to $106.50 at $2.13 an hour. Oh my! I still owe the government $53.50! And everyone knows the government will make sure they get what you owe! But, where's the $53.50 that I owe the government going to come from if no one leaves me tips? TIPS ARE MANDATORY!"
And then wrote:
"I never said tipping a horrible server is a necessity...I agree, some servers pull attitudes with their guests and don't deserve your (or my) money."
Teejay wrote:
"m_shaw, it's a fair bet that most people that would read this post would think you're quite ignorant and rude.
And then wrote:
"First of all m_shaw...SCREW YOU."
"EAT AT HOME IDIOT!"
"So m_shaw, when dickheads like yourself disrespect servers, you, in turn, will be disrespected."
"If you can't respect your diner and compensate them for their hard work...you deserve spewed mucus in your entree. I've never done it and NEVER will, but I love the thought of rude diners taking a heaping bite of their food with slimey mucus mixed in. Should slide down nice and easy!"
Teejay wrote: "Everyone knows the golden rule...treat others as you would like to be treated."
And then wrote:
"Some of you ignorant f*ckers on here need a good SLAP in the face. I'll glady be the one to do it."
Teejay wrote: "You don't get voted "Best Waiter" by a city publication if you're not. And, yes, I was voted "Best Waiter".
Teejay, you sound awfully angry for someone who says they've never been stiffed. The hostile tone of all of your posts in this thread more than suggests otherwise.
You said it was a fair bet that m_shaw would be considered rude and ignorant,yet, you haven't been able to post without resorting to foul language in order to make your point. Talk about rude and ignorant. The only foul remark that m_shaw made was to re-direct that "dickhead" remark right back to you and he stopped there. Kudos to you, m_shaw!
You began this thread by writing: "I have been reading through some of the threads here and some have made me extremely disappointed in the human race!"
Well, reading through your posts makes me think the same about you. If you were ever voted "Best Waiter" I would hate to think what your competition was like, unless you meant you were voted "Best Waiter from hell."
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mplsraisin
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Username: mplsraisin
Post Number: 44
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 07:28 pm: |
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teejay, please allow me to suggest a slightly more civil tone. The hostility and rage should be left for the batting cage as it is not going to help our cause here. A little modesty would be nice as well. Thanks. |
teejay
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Username: teejay
Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 01:15 am: |
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To trog3d...this attitude and language is geared toward people who don't tip and admit to it. Servers work their butts off for their tables (at least I do and so do my coworkers). But, I will take mplsraisin's advice and be a little more civil toned. If you are not a server and have never served, you have no clue how awful it feels to run your butt off for them, engage in conversation with them, fill their drinks up, take their food, and perform any other duty that is asked of us and then open up our payment book and find such a crappy tip inside. Ever feel underappreciated or used? That's the feeling servers feel when they perform well and are not compensated correctly for it. And diners know sit down restaurants have servers so a tip is required. And I think the majority of society agrees with this. Like I said, some servers do pull attitudes and don't deserve tips, but I am a very hard working server with a great attitude. However, once I am disrespected with an awful tip, that attitude does change. How could it not? Used and abused is a good way to describe it and it feels awful. However, I will not be modest in this situation. I am a great server...a lot of my guests inform me of this and compliment card after compliment card has been handed in saying the same. I treat my guests with respect and all I ask is that they treat me the same way. We are not robots that are meant to be bossed around. We are humans that really enjoy hearing "please" and "thank you". It really seems odd that this web site is for those needing help in the tipping etiquette department and so many of you posting here are cheapies. |
teejay
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Username: teejay
Post Number: 6
Registered: 10-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 01:17 am: |
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Also trog3d...you obviously don't believe in tipping either. Society needs you to stay home too. Thank you ever so kindly! |
mplsraisin
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Username: mplsraisin
Post Number: 45
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 04:38 am: |
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Great points teejay. A co-worker once remarked that bartending and waiting tables are about as close to legalized prostitution as you will find in this country. Translation: we put up with alot of crap - alot of crap - from people to make our money. We are in a position to say or do NOTHING to a guest that could be perceived in a negative way lest it cost us our tip or a call to the 800 number at the bottom of the check or a chat with the manager (which could cost us our job). Rude guests? - "Get me this!", "We're in a hurry - make it fast!", "I want another soda!", etc. I hear it day in and day out. We HAVE to deal with it or we get stiffed or get into trouble and EVERY guest knows this. I will get you whatever it is that you want or need in the absolute promptest manner possible and all I ask for in return is a little bit of patience, respect, and courtesy. Like I said before, I would much prefer polite, respectful guests that leave a smaller tip than rude, demanding guests that leave a larger tip. After all these years of doing this, I have learned to put self-respect before money because, surprisingly enough, I still have feelings. I would love to know how many of these rude people would talk to a police officer in the way that they talk to me. Yeah the police officer can write a ticket or issue a warning, but we are still both human beings just doing our jobs. How about doctors? Doctors wear white coats and I wear an apron. They can't cure every disease and I can't do fifty different things at the exact same moment. I can't imagine doctors putting up with rude, demanding behavior so why should I? Yes, we perform drastically different duties with drastic differences in responsibility and pay, but does that mean that one or the other is due more respect or courtesy as human beings? I have long held that civility, manners, and common (huh?) courtesy would skyrocket were everybody to work some sort of service-related job for even a couple of weeks. My sister, for example, used to be an intolerable bitch before a two-year stint in a restaurant and is now one of the most polite people you would ever want to meet. She got a nice, big, juicy dose of humility in those two years. Now, she wouldn't think of asking for something without a "please" and/or a "thank you" - and these two phrases are HUGE with me. HUGE. I never ask a guest to pass me a glass or plate without saying "please" or to settle their bill with me without saying it. Finally, a quick note on stiffing. Nothing knocks the wind out of my sails faster than an undeserved stiff. I can be having the best shift of my life and then want to pound the s*** out of the poor cases of fries in the freezer after getting stiffed when I am confident that that table had a good experience. I don't actually beat up the fries nor do I have anger issues - I just don't understand why some people feel it is acceptable to stiff servers for no good reason. And if you have a beef with your food, service, or anything else please just say so and we'll do everything we can to correct the situation in a fair manner. Contrary to popular belief, we don't read minds. If you can't, don't, or won't tip - regardless of reason (don't believe in it, don't have enough money to tip appropriately, live under a rock and aren't aware of tipping practices, etc.) - and you absolutely must eat out please go someplace where tipping is not part of the deal. Fortunately, the people that are fun to wait on, polite, and tip appropriately are in the majority (most days) and deserve my thanks. |
trog3d
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Username: trog3d
Post Number: 21
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 10:59 am: |
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Teejay wrote:
"Also trog3d...you obviously don't believe in tipping either. Society needs you to stay home too. Thank you ever so kindly!"
So, now you speak for society? Did a city publication award you that honor too? How frightening.
I've supported my arguments regarding your poor attitude by quoting the words in your posts. You, on the other hand, are assuming that "I obviously don't believe in tipping", based on what?? The fact that I called you out on your glaring contradictions? Maybe you should take a break from praising yourself and read some of my previous posts before commenting on my tipping practices.
Since you are so proud of your "Best Waiter" nod and of receiving "compliment card after compliment card" at your job, why don't you mention which city and restaurant you work in? Because despite all of your boasting, I'd kindly and gladly stay away from it. |
scarlett
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Username: scarlett
Post Number: 340
Registered: 01-2003
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 04:30 pm: |
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You are right Teejay, there are some idiots posting here, but Trog3d isn't one of them. I upbraided British Guy because he didn't take the time to read through some of the message threads here and dissed several of us, and I'm upbraiding you for the same thing. From her previous posts, trog3d is exactly the type of guest we dream of; polite, knowlegable and a good tipper.If you would take a few minutes to read some of the threads here and look for her responses, I think you'll agree that you owe her an applogy.
We do have to kiss a$$ets till we get brown tongue, but Trog3d realises this and is quite sympathetic to us as workers and as fellow human beings.
Save your riteous anger for those who deserve it, like British Guy. (You might want to check out the thread he started and give your comments.)
~Imagine if they gave a war and nobody came!~
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teejay
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 04:57 pm: |
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scarlett...when I said m_shaw is rude, I never contradicted myself by being rude myself. I'm extremely rude to those that don't tip. Most servers are. You'd probably be rude to someone who didn't pay you for your services also. Being used is not received kindly by the human race. |
teejay
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 05:01 pm: |
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mplsraisin...well said and I thank you for your thoughts. It's nice to have someone to actually back me up. If everyone who doesn't believe in tipping would do our job (as well as we do) for one shift, they would change their attitudes and behavior. And if they wouldn't, they have a heart of steel. |
scarlett
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Username: scarlett
Post Number: 342
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 07:13 pm: |
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TJ, I wasn't talking about M_Shaw. He can be rude. It's only recently that he realises that it's to his advantage to leave an appropriate tip. He still doesn't quite get the fact that our bosses and managers dislike stiffs as much as we do.Trog3d is one of the good guys here though. Read some of her replies in past messages, you'll see what I mean. (And she and I started off on the wrong foot too if I recall correctly.)
~Imagine if they gave a war and nobody came!~
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teejay
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:13 am: |
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I have yet to find a reason to view trog3d as a "good guy". She calls me boastful and consistently bad mouths my posts. I may be boastful...I don't care. I'm darn proud of my accomplishments and am not afraid to show it. No one should be held back from being proud just b/c some prude (like trog3d) thinks it's "boastful". And trog3d...the publication that named me "Best Waiter" was Omaha Magazine, a local publication put out in area hotels, restaurants, and points of interest. I work at Timber Lodge Steakhouse in Omaha, NE and soon will be moving to Fleming's Steakhouse. Please never show up at either. We don't need guests like you. While you may tip decently, we still don't enjoy guests that critique our every move. And you do that terribly. |
trog3d
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Post Number: 22
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:36 am: |
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Thank you Mplsraisin for calling an end to the hostility and rage from Teejay. Scarlett, thank you for your kind words and support.
Unfortunately, it is far too easy for some individuals to resort to vulgarity. My guess is that they don't believe that there is enough of it on the Internet so why not pollute yet another site with their filth. Since they can't get their message across in a reasonable, clear, and concise manner they resort to vulgarity, the crutch of the weak-minded.
Teejay may believe that the use of profanity strengthens his argument but in reality it not only weakens it, it casts a spotlight on his character(or lack of it).
We can all disagree without being disagreeable. |
m_shaw
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Post Number: 50
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 07:23 pm: |
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Teejay you wrote "It really seems odd that this web site is for those needing help in the tipping etiquette department and so many of you posting here are cheapies. "
The heading on this site reads " the original tipping page discussion " It doesnt say anything about tipping etiquette . teejay , I have had poor service from expensive restaurants and great service from cheap ones , but needless to say I tip at the end of the meal , if the service was poor , the tip reflects that. That should be a clue to the server , the next time I come there , you should do a better job , not give poor service since you didnt like the previous tip. If you do the tip will be little or nothing ,and I will tell everyone not to go to that restaurant. good word of mouth advertizing goes to 3 people , bad goes to 20 . |
jammie
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 06-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 07:32 am: |
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m_shaw, that is how I tip also.I may give a little more consideration, due to the fact I have a better understanding of what is involved.Although basicly good service deserves a good tip, etc...
Trog3d pointed out its okay to dissagree, and not be dissagreeable.That is what us mature adults do. I enjoy this web site,we can all due without the ugly, name calling, and down right nasties.We all have differnt ideas and attitudes.This is a wonderful place to express them.
Teejay I havent welcomed you to this board yet, and wish to do so.Please sir calm down, we all want to read your posts. I am not the enemy, I am in the trenches too.I understand alot of what you are saying.The only thing is we cant control what a guest leaves us. Sometimes we just have to suck it up and go on to the next table and hope for a better tip.Part of the job, and it doesnt mean we have to like it. |
todaysstyles
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 11:14 pm: |
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So many idiots, so little time and space to complain about them. Funny thing is most of us have these idiots in our lives, we must deal with them on a daily basis.
I have some idiot, well not really idiot, as much as...CHEAP....friends of mine that I deal with and wanted to ask those of you who are servers a question, if you don't mind me changing the subject.
My friends and I go to this coffee house about once a week, usually more depending on time of year, our workload etc. We've become regulars there over the past 9 months, we know almost everyone. A few of us have regular orders which they bug us about saying we should "TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT ALREADY" All in all, we're extremely welcomed there. We come in when its full and some how a table is found for us with plenty of room.
Here is my problem/question. I usually go with the same 2-3 people. We usually tip fairly well. Always of course above 25%, sometimes even 50% since the bill is usually just around 15-25. Reason we tip this percentage is basically because the bill is pretty low and we're taken care of extremely well. However, sometimes we go with some other people who are, as I said before, CHEAP. When we're with these people we get them to tip as much as possible but have a hard time getting 20% out of them (we'll never go lower than that). My question is, do servers find it strange that one time a group may tip 40% on a $20 check and the next time only tip 20% on a $25 check just because there is one new person? I know this may seem silly since the percentage seems good, I would just like to stay with one amount instead of switching...but hard to tell that to people who are cheap.
Also just to throw in there to the people who are complaining about tipping. Come on, think about it, are you really going to miss a few extra dollars? No, your not. |
scarlett
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Post Number: 343
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 11:53 pm: |
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Aww, you're a sweethart Mr.Styles!
I think your servers probably realise the tip percntage is smaller when the cheapies are there. Don't sweat it. I've got the feeling that the servers there genuinely like you and your usual friends, and not only because of the great tips you leave.
There really isn't a whole lot you can do about the cheapies. You and your other friends could tell the cheapies that you don't want them to accompany you all because their cheapness is embarassing to you, but then you might lose them as frends. If they were really, really cheap, you might want to, but 20% is still a good tip.
Just enjoy your evening. If it really bothers you and your regular friends, and you can afford to do so, you could make up the difference, but it isn't necessary.
~Imagine if they gave a war and nobody came!~
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jammie
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Post Number: 168
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 01:29 am: |
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Todaysstyles, no doubt the servers notice when the newbies are present the tip percentage is lower.Still it is an acceptable amount,dont worry about it.Im sure your crew is welcome.
Here is a prime example of sharing the love. Give some and get some. The always available table for your group.This is what some "cheapies" dont understand.You will get the special attention when you leave the special tip. |
mplsraisin
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 07:42 pm: |
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The same theory, special tip = special attention, works wonders in a bar. I have several regular customers at my bar that always leave extraordinary tips and they are waited on first no matter how busy I am. They tip really well, they want something, they get it right away - they know it and I know it. Meanwhile, I can glance over at the CHEAP people (the ones that drop a quarter or two per drink, if that) basking in wonderment as to why they are waiting for me to get to them. Restaurant service is one thing while beverage service (be it cocktails or coffee) is something all together different because the total "bill" is often only a few dollars and a complete transaction occurs in moments. Besides, in my bar there is only me to deal with - no manager on duty, typically no owner around, and no 800 number to call and complain. I call all the shots - play the game my way (tip me) or wait until I decide I want to serve you. I know this sounds harsh, but I am not there for my health. Quite the opposite really when you consider what bartenders have to deal with (and breathe). |
jammie
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 09:41 pm: |
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mplsrasin, yes I had the same sweeet deal for 8 years.I would flat out tell people about their tipping ethics.I even had a little button that said "tip me or die of thirst" my boss loved it.I was allowed to bar people who didnt tip.When my boss sold out in January, I told him I was stressing because I would have to go to a new job and be nice to people.He had a hearty laugh over that.
But let me add on my shifts my sales topped the others. Why? Becuase Im a great bartender, I got to be close with alot of the regulars. I attended funerals,weddings, family get togethers. Remembered birthdays, always listened to problems and had a sympathetic ear. I lent money or picked up tabs on a regular basis. I even bonded one out of jail.It all worked out, when I needed new tires for my car I was given 4.Another gave me a rim with new tire for my car, so I wouldnt have to rely on the doughnut.I have been given airline ticketts for two. When I move there is a convoy of trucks available for me. I have certified electricions at my disposal, a plumber and air conditioner specialist,landscaper.I was all of these peoples bartender, and they were happy to have me serve them.As I was to serve them.
They would come just to see me, and drink but they could do that any where. |
mplsraisin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 12:47 am: |
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Amazing isn't it, Jammie? I have made so many friends and connections in my bar that it makes my head spin sometimes. I make money there, but when it comes to my regular customers and I, well...we are there for each other. I serve their drinks and they fill my tip jar, but it's more than that isn't it, jammie? The other night I was bartending and my boyfriend's car died and one of the guys from the bar went out and got it going again so that it wouldn't be towed. The guy came back, I thanked him, bought him a drink, and life goes on. At the restaurant (my other job) I am not so lucky to know all of my customers as well as I know the people at the bar, but if people would just realize that I am there to serve them in the best way possible in exchange for fair compensation we would all be better served...so to speak. |
jammie
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 11:14 pm: |
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mpisrasin, Yea it is amazing. I made this post while sipping a glass of wine and walking down memory lane after I read your post. I kind of thought I may have made an a$$ of myself, by tooting my own horn.But ya know what, I made alot of good friends at that job.I still am in regular contact with some of them.Why? First of all because Im a great bartender,then I am a caring compassionate nice person.People would come in just to chit chat with me, or whine about a child, wife, boyfriend, boss....the list goes on.I loved my job and my guests made it that way.
I now work for a large corperation, it was a hard adjustment.I stayed because of the money, now Im used to it.(the job) I knew I couldnt walk away, the almighty dollar. |
tokay
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 12:43 pm: |
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Todaysstyles said:
"...do servers find it strange that one time a group may tip 40% on a $20 check and the next time only tip 20% on a $25 check just because there is one new person? I know this may seem silly since the percentage seems good, I would just like to stay with one amount instead of switching...but hard to tell that to people who are cheap.
Also just to throw in there to the people who are complaining about tipping. Come on, think about it, are you really going to miss a few extra dollars? No, your not."
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Todaysstyles, since you wouldn't miss a "few extra dollars", perhaps you could make up for what your "cheap" friends lack. If you tossed down an extra fiver, it would pull a 20% tip up to 40% on a $25 bill. That way, your server definitely won't feel awkward or slighted, you stay in their good graces, and it's not money you're going to miss anyway. Just a suggestion. |
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