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ribeyeofyourdreams
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Username: ribeyeofyourdreams
Post Number: 10
Registered: 11-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 07:25 am: | 
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she's finally come back to youtube with a new video, and i'm sure there's more to come. it's a short one, daring people to spit in her food, and it seems she's more pissed about the "nasty ass comments" she got than the incident i don't believe ever happened in the first place.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ICDgFFxe--I |
raulb
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2008
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People like this (if you can call her 'people')is why I do not tip black waitstaff.
I only tip white waitstaff -- usually at 25% or more with the savings from not tipping the black waitstaff.
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raulb
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Spit is one of the nicer things that would go in her food. |
porkrind
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 06:09 pm: |
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Raulb: People like this (if you can call her 'people')is why I do not tip black waitstaff.
What does the color of a person's skin have to do with the quality of the service provided? If you get crappy service from a server, black or white, tip (or don't) accordingly. If the service is good/great, do the same. Don't be a racist assbag just for the sake of it.
PorkRind
The Crunchy Other White Meat Byproduct
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raulb
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 01-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 07:57 pm: |
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If you get crappy service from a server, black or white, tip (or don't) accordingly.
No, I'll just continue stiffing all black waitstaff and giving their tips to the white waitstaff. When the black race learns how to give tips, then they'll have learned how to receive. |
porkrind
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 09:07 pm: |
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raulb: (racist ranting unworthy of repetition)
You are an astoundingly and revoltingly ignorant person.
PorkRind
The Crunchy Other White Meat Byproduct
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raulb
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 01-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 09:24 pm: |
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You are an astoundingly and revoltingly ignorant person.
You're entitled to your opinion.
I believe in giving them (ie black people) as good as they give.
Why are you so offended? Are you black? |
porkrind
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Post Number: 73
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 11:09 pm: |
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I wouldn't dream of categorizing and penalizing an entire ethnic group based on the actions of a few of its members.
I find it demoralizing that, even in this enlightened age, there are people out there so poor in spirit and uneducated that they would do so.
And for the record, no, I'm not black. But I still find your attitude both disgusting and small-minded.
PorkRind
The Crunchy Other White Meat Byproduct
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raulb
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 06:17 am: |
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But I still find your attitude both disgusting and small-minded.
I find yours to be naive, overly sensitive and eager to be politically correct.
Black people don't tip when they are customers, so they won't get tipped when they are the waitstaff. At least not from me. My very generous tips go to non-black people only.
Ask sharece about enlightenment :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=v6pi-9LBtxs&feature=related
And for the record, my spirit is fine and I am probably far more educated than you are.
(Message edited by raulb on January 02, 2008)
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teleburst
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Username: teleburst
Post Number: 1688
Registered: 06-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 09:10 am: |
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"Black people don't tip when they are customers"
Except that they do. So, your logic falls apart.
BTW, how would YOU know how black people tip anyway? You're not a server, are you? You're a laywer, right? |
gbowen99
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Post Number: 345
Registered: 06-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 11:46 am: |
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If someone WERE to tamper with her food that is a class 2 felony. If I were her waiter I would give her such exceptional service that she would make an apology video.
2 wrongs don't make a right. Take the high road. |
raulb
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 01-2008
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Den you would be up in da jail wid Shareka's baby daddy (and her father and her brothers and her other baby daddy and her other baby daddy). So don' did dat. |
porkrind
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 07-2005
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raulb: And for the record, my spirit is fine and I am probably far more educated than you are.
Everything else you've posted here belies that statement. And while you may be "educated," you certainly haven't learned much.
PorkRind
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teleburst
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Post Number: 1690
Registered: 06-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 05:43 pm: |
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Yep, that tears it. "Raulb" is the "southern lawyer" who claims to save tips from black servers to give them to white servers.
It used to post here a while back and was just as idiotic then as it is now. |
raulb
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 01-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 06:56 pm: |
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"Raulb" is the "southern lawyer" who claims to save tips from black servers to give them to white servers.
I don't claim to TB, I DO. I've been keeping an account in my business travels and in the last two years ending 12/31/07, I have transferred approximately $1728 in tips from black waitstaff to White, Asian and Hispanic ones. This is based on $8640 in black waitstaff sales at 20% tip. It's not that much, granted, but it is my way of making a statement. Plus it REALLY IS heartwarming to give a white (or any non-black, for that matter) server who has been run to death and stiffed by black tables all night, a $12 tip on a $30 check. ($30 being my average dinner check).
It used to post here a while back and was just as idiotic then as it is now.
Let the record reflect that YOU made this personal. I intended to discuss things on their merits and to shun personal attacks.
So.
Anybody grown man with all his faculties who is closer to 60 than he is to 40 who is still waiting tables for a living -- an occupation generally reserved for teenagers, college students and housewives trying to earn some extra cash -- doesn't have a lot of credibility in calling someone else idiotic.
Now. If you want this to devolve into name calling, I will ignore you and you can play by yourself. Or we can agree to disagree and speak to each other civily and politely. Your choice.
Except that they do. So, your logic falls apart.
I think Shareeka would disagree with you. Have you watched this?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=v6pi-9LBtxs&feature=related
P.S. Why is "southern lawyer" always in quotes? Should I refer to you as a "Nashville waiter" or "Nashville server"?
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teleburst
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Post Number: 1693
Registered: 06-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 07:16 pm: |
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Yep, thought so.
Yes, I'm closer to 60 than I am to 40. In fact, I just turned 53. I don't think it's idiotic to work in my chosen profession, especially when I get to interact with the movers and shakers of my community. Don't confuse me with the servers in the places that you probably typically patronize.
Unlike you, I've served my country on the front lines. Unlike you, I don't assume that all lawyers are bad tippers just because a few of them are pretty poor tippers (and yes, lawyers in general are bad tippers considering the amount of money that they bill their clients, although I personally know a few that don't fit that stereotype).
I'm curious. Do you deduct the cleaning of your white sheets?
"I think Shareeka would disagree with you. Have you watched this?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=v6pi-9LBtxs&feature=related"
Actually I haven't. I can smell a troll a mile off, even if it's a video one.
For the record, I have never been stiffed by a black guest. NEVER. And I've waited on far more tables than you have ever thought about sitting at yourself, even if you claim to have have spent over $20,000 in food over the past 2 years (which I find doubtful considering how little you spend on food per visit - don't forget, MY average dinner guest spends $75 - fortunately, I'm not likely to see you at my table).
"I intended to discuss things on their merits"
Yeah, right. That was BS when you were here before and it's BS now.
"P.S. Why is "southern lawyer" always in quotes? Should I refer to you as a "waiter" or "server"?"
If you wish to, feel free. However, "southern laywer" isn't an occupation. Lawyer is, though. One would think that someone in your profession would understand parsing. |
raulb
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 01-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 07:44 pm: |
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Don't confuse me with the servers in the places that you probably typically patronize.
I patronize everything from Waffle House to Ruth's Chris.
I don't think it's idiotic to work in my chosen profession
I don't either. Any honest work is honorable. And table waiting, as anyone who's done it can attest, is honest work. I was just saying that to hit back at you.
Unlike you, I don't assume that all lawyers are bad tippers just because a few of them are pretty poor tippers
I never said they were. Were'd that come from?
I'm curious. Do you deduct the cleaning of your white sheets?
See how you are? One of the surest signs that someone has run out of valid arguments is when they start calling their opponent names or insults. Stop it will you?
Actually I haven't. I can smell a troll a mile off, even if it's a video one.
It's a black girl explaining why she doesn't tip. I don't think she's being a troll.
even if you claim to have have spent over $20,000 in food over the past 2 years (which I find doubtful considering how little you spend on food per visit - don't forget, MY average dinner guest spends $75 - fortunately, I'm not likely to see you at my table).
Three meals a day, two days a week. Often times feeding a client or two as well. It adds up.
You never know TB, I get to Nashville on occasion. I was there and in Murfeesboro around the first of November of 07. I would certainly tip you nicely.
One would think that someone in your profession would understand parsing.
I do understand it. I guess I was just reading more into it than was there. |
teleburst
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Username: teleburst
Post Number: 1694
Registered: 06-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 09:25 pm: |
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"Don't confuse me with the servers in the places that you probably typically patronize.
I patronize everything from Waffle House to Ruth's Chris".
Considering your "average dinner check" it's far more likely that the former sees you far more often than the latter (hell, I averaged $20 a head at dinner at PF Chang's!). And I wonder how your "clients" feel when you treat them to Waffle House.
"I don't think it's idiotic to work in my chosen profession
I don't either. Any honest work is honorable. And table waiting, as anyone who's done it can attest, is honest work. I was just saying that to hit back at you".
Of course you were. It made you look even more idiotic.
"Unlike you, I don't assume that all lawyers are bad tippers just because a few of them are pretty poor tippers
I never said they were. Were'd that come from"?
Try thinking more globally. Subsititute "black" for "laywers". Get it now?
"I'm curious. Do you deduct the cleaning of your white sheets?
See how you are? One of the surest signs that someone has run out of valid arguments is when they start calling their opponent names or insults. Stop it will you"?
I'll stop when when you stop mocking dialects and stop showing racial intolerance. Deal?
"Actually I haven't. I can smell a troll a mile off, even if it's a video one.
It's a black girl explaining why she doesn't tip. I don't think she's being a troll".
Yeah, just like YOU'RE not being a troll...
"even if you claim to have have spent over $20,000 in food over the past 2 years (which I find doubtful considering how little you spend on food per visit - don't forget, MY average dinner guest spends $75 - fortunately, I'm not likely to see you at my table).
Three meals a day, two days a week. Often times feeding a client or two as well. It adds up".
I don't buy it. The math doesn't add up, especially when you claim that you only eat an average of two dinners a week at an "average of $30 a dinner". Let's run some math. Assuming your figures, you have only spent about $6000 on dinner in the past 2 years. Now, let's talk about breakfast. I assume that you don't have too many breakfasts with clients. Let's assume 2 breakfasts twice a week at $6 per breakfast. That's another $1200. Now, let's assume that you average about $15 for lunch (which is probably being generous and since you claimed a $30 dinner check average, I have to assume that you don't spend nearly that for lunch on average, even when you're "entertaining clients"). Now, you've spent $3100. That's a total of a little over $10,000 for two years. That means that you claim that you were waited on by blacks about 85% of the time. Using your own original figures, I extrapolated that you might have spent over twice what you now say you probably spent, and because I know that white servers outnumber black servers by a substantial margin, I have to say, sorry, but the number just don't add up, especially from someone who claims to be keeping immaculate records of their black vs white dining. You really should do some simple math before you try to make stuff up.
BTW, if you are feeding clients, then you MUST be spending a lot of time at Waffle House and not spending it at "Ruth's Criss" because if you were having dinner at "Ruth's Criss" for more than the incidental dinner, your average dinner check would be far greater than $30, especially if you were taking "clients" out to dinner. The least that you would get away with at a place like Ruth's Criss would be $100 a head (if you were actually entertaining a client). And if you dined there more than just a couple of times a year, it would drive your average WAY up. In fact, to pull the sort of figures that can be reasonably claimed from your first outrageous post, you'd have to be eating three meals a day 4 times a week. Sorry, I just don't buy it.
"You never know TB, I get to Nashville on occasion. I was there and in Murfeesboro around the first of November of 07. I would certainly tip you nicely".
I can guarantee you one thing. If you told me that you were tipping me extra because you had saved the tip from any other server (black or white), you'd find your whole tip back in your hand in a New York minute. I don't take blood money.
"One would think that someone in your profession would understand parsing.
I do understand it. I guess I was just reading more into it than was there".
I guess you were. Hopefully, you can read into the quotation marks present in THIS post a little more accurately this time. |
raulb
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 09:53 pm: |
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Wow. That's some calculating you did there. The total figures I gave you included the clients' meals which we pick up. My dinner check is usually about $30 at places like outback. No, I didn't eat that much by myself. Refigure and see if that works out.
I'll stop when when you stop mocking dialects and stop showing racial intolerance. Deal?
Listen to the girl. I'm not mocking. I'm writing phonetically the way she speaks. |
paid_up
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Teleburst- With the length of you last post, are you secretly "Lords of Acid"? "Front Lines" refers to combat zones, not 75 miles from the border of a communist country. If you did get combat pay , by chance, it must have been for the mail clerk paper cuts. Purple Heart maybe? |
teleburst
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""Front Lines" refers to combat zones, not 75 miles from the border of a communist country".
Sorry, but you're wrong. And just so you know, I was only able to finagle myself into the mail clerk position for my last year. Previously, I was a track commander with a .50 cal. And I actually lost a fellow track commander in a live fire excercise when his .50 cal. backfired.
But thanks for caring. |
teleburst
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Post Number: 1696
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"Wow. That's some calculating you did there. The total figures I gave you included the clients' meals which we pick up. My dinner check is usually about $30 at places like outback. No, I didn't eat that much by myself. Refigure and see if that works out".
Who cares what you ate and what your clients ate? You claimed a certain figure and a certain number of dining out experiences during a certain time frame. And you claimed that you "transferred" tips during all of those meals. So, there's nothing to recalculate.
I guess you're in spin mode now. You really should have been more careful when you made up figures.
And if you don't think you were mocking, you really need to wake up (or stop the denial game). |
ribeyeofyourdreams
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raulb, just to let you know, it's not all black people that don't tip. Maybe you're dealing with that because you're a little racist, but it's not all black people. Black servers hate waiting on their own race, but at least some of them know how to tip. |
raulb
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raulb, just to let you know, it's not all black people that don't tip.
You're absolutely right, Ribeye. It's not ALL black folks that don't tip. However, in my experience and from the people I personally know who are still in the table waiting / restaurant management business, black people are VASTLY VASTLY overrepresented among the consistently poor tippers and the no tippers.
Maybe you're dealing with that because you're a little racist, but it's not all black people.
Again, you are right, it's certainly not ALL black people. But I believe that much of black culture is ingrained with and openly embraces the notion that it is ok to get something for nothing -- to not pay ones fair share because it is unlikely that one will be caught, or if caught, punished. In other words, it's o.k. if you can get away with it. Thus, stiffing a waiter is fine because nothing (or very little)can be done about it.
This attitude manifests itself in a number of ways:
Black people are vastly overrepresented on the welfare roles in this country -- whereby they are provided with food, housing, utilities, cash etc. without any productive effort on their part.
Black people are the benefactors of affirmative action in employment and college admission -- whereby a job or seat in a university is awarded to them to the exclusion of a better qualified applicant based solely on race.
Black people are vastly overreprented in property crimes like robbery, embezlement, petty theft etc. whereby they help themselves to the rightful property of another person, through violence or trickery or both.
Not to mention the propensity to stiff waiters, especially white ones, even when they have received good service.
When these things are pointed out to black people, the nearly universal response is : "YOU A RACIST!! YOU A RACIST!! YOU BE TRYING TO KEEP A BRUTHA DOWN"
In alot of people's minds, mere observation of these facts renders one irredeemably racist. To actually talk about them renders you fit for the gallows. I, for one, am not going to bow to political correctness pressure to adopt the sanitized, homogenized, government sanctioned view on everything. If that makes me a racist, so be it.
Black servers hate waiting on their own race, but at least some of them know how to tip.
Yes, I have seen many times black servers reluctant to wait on black tables. That fact in itself speaks volumes. Just like Shareeka's lip smacking, head bobbing, flared out nose holes, "Ah ain' gotta tip yo a$$ -- I's gonna call Johnny Chochran" video above speaks volumes. She is very close to typical of the black restaurant patron. At least in my experience.
(Message edited by raulb on January 04, 2008)
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teleburst
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And lawyers have such a great reputation in the community?
As an aside, I find lawyers to be one of the worst tipping occupations. Rarely do they even tip 15%. Apparently they can't even do math. That doesn't mean that I'm going to take it out on all lawyers. That would be just stupid.
Oh yeah,
"black people are the benefactors of affirmative action in employment and college admission -- whereby a job or seat in a university is awarded to them to the exclusion of a better qualified applicant based solely on race".
Well, since blacks couldn't go to those schools, or work in the same jobs or even vote in many places even as late as the early 60s (in fact, many were killed for simply being black), it's hardly a big price to pay to help erase 100 years of slavery (you remember that concept don't you - where a human being actually owns another human being) and 200 years of extreme discrimination.
I'd like to reiterate that the only time I've been stiffed by a guest (or received a tip as low as 5%) was by white or Indian (as in India) guests. This is after longer than you've even been a lawyer.
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teleburst
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"But I believe that much of black culture is ingrained with and openly embraces the notion that it is ok to get something for nothing -- to not pay ones fair share because it is unlikely that one will be caught, or if caught, punished. In other words, it's o.k. if you can get away with it. Thus, stiffing a waiter is fine because nothing (or very little)can be done about it".
So, are you part of "black culture"? Because this is the very behavior that you decry. YOU have stolen service from one person because "you can get away with it". Or is there a legal principle called "the Robin Hood tort exception" that absoves someone from responsibiliity simply because they take ill-gotten gains from one person and gives it to somebody else who "deserves it more"?
Just curious. |
raulb
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I'd like to reiterate that the only time I've been stiffed by a guest (or received a tip as low as 5%) was by white or Indian (as in India) guests.
That's not what you said on December 30, 2004 at 9:02 AM, Teleburst.
On December 30, 2004 at 9:02 AM you said:
It didn't help tonight when I got my very first total stiff on a $59 bill though. PaulB will be glad to know that it was a black table . .
I guess you're in spin mode now. You really should have been more careful when you made up statements like the only time I've been stiffed by a guest (or received a tip as low as 5%) was by white or Indian (as in India) guests. |
teleburst
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"On December 30, 2004 at 9:02 AM you said:
It didn't help tonight when I got my very first total stiff on a $59 bill though. PaulB will be glad to know that it was a black table . ."
I guess I was wrong. One time out of thousands of tables and hundreds of black guests. Thanks for pointing this out, because I had forgotten it. At least I disclose things here and try to give the facts. And it was shortly after that that I got another stiff (which I believe I also mentioned in a post).
So now I can say that I've only gotten two stiffs that I can remember and 50% of them were from blacks. That means that 50% of them were from whites. And my last 7% tip was from a redneck who spent $550 on his "sales force" but left me $40. That just happened a couple of weeks ago. I hope his "sales force" gets their commissions.
Thanks for pulling that up though. I like to get the facts straight. I hope you pull up the earlier story about the black table that left me 25%, or the posts where I tracked black tables to discover that they tip about normal (for me). Maybe I'm just not encumbered by racism and that racism doesn't rub off on the guest. In any case, I don't lose money on my black guests. I must be a pretty special server, eh? |
gbowen99
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 11:20 am: |
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"it's hardly a big price to pay to help erase 100 years of slavery (you remember that concept don't you - where a human being actually owns another human being) and 200 years of extreme discrimination."
Every society has had some form of slavery for about as long as man has existed. If you look into your family tree I am sure you to will find a people in slavery. In our past society yes there was slavery because they were taught that it was ok to put people into slavery.
So you want modern society to repay a group of people that today have nothing to do with slavery from 100 years ago? Perhaps we should build a time machine and repay the people from the past?
Wait. That won't work either because we had nothing to do with it.
The only sensible solution to this would be to agree that was a black eye in American history and move on. |
raulb
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I guess I was wrong.
You and I are about as far apart on the political spectrum as two people can be, TB. We'll never agree on much. But I do respect someone who is not afraid to admit a mistake. Not that you had a choice, I had you red handed. ;)
So 50% of your stiffs come from blacks. What percentage of your total customer base is black? 5%? 10% Let's just assume it's 10% -- it's probably lower in the Nashville area assuming you work in a relatively high end place -- but close enough.
A group of customers that are only 10% of your customer base yields 50% of your stiffs. That's what I call overrepresentation. |
teleburst
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No, a time machine isn't necessary. But a pat on the back and a "so sorry" doesn't cut it either. Can you tell me how many "societies" denied voting rights and employment rights for a large portion of their population into the latter half of the 20th century? How many societies do you know wouldn't even let those people drink from the same water fountain, wouldn't let them move into neighborhoods, sit in the same public facilities or get the same sort of jobs that the majority could have. I'd suggest that the only ones would be so-called third world countries.
To this day, black families still only earn between 50% and 60% of white families.
And we're supposed to "move on"? Right. If you don't think that this is a hangover from slavery 100 years ago, you're nuts. |
gbowen99
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"Can you tell me how many "societies" denied voting rights and employment rights for a large portion of their population into the latter half of the 20th century? How many societies do you know wouldn't even let those people drink..."
None of that matters now. We live in the now and not in the past. In fact America was not even a 1st wold country until a little after WW2. Even Japan used to have a stronger military than us. America has progressed as a society almost over night. Way back in the 20th century things were way different than they are today.
"To this day, black families still only earn between 50% and 60% of white families."
Much better then what was being earned before. The opportunities are the same for every one in todays society.
My ancestors were from Ireland. No group was considered lower than an Irishman in America during the 1850s.
Maybe in your neck of the woods there is still a slavery hangover. |
teleburst
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"A group of customers that are only 10% of your customer base yields 50% of your stiffs. That's what I call overrepresentation".
No, that's what I would call randomness in action. Two instances out of thousands falls well out of any sort of statistical analysis. I only used the percentage to mock the whole idea.
BTW, my last black table, which was lunch on NY's Eve , left me 23%. Should I take THAT as some sort of "trend"? |
teleburst
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""To this day, black families still only earn between 50% and 60% of white families."
Much better then what was being earned before".
Hey, guess what? Affirmative action has worked (to a degree)! How about that!
"My ancestors were from Ireland. No group was considered lower than an Irishman in America during the 1850s".
I can think of one. Think SLAVES. |
paid_up
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Oh teleburst, please watch where you walk, you may slip on the waste from your bleeding heart. You carry the burden of a former time. Please don't crumble under it's weight. |
raulb
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I can think of another one: Jews. Jews have (at least by their account) been enslaved, persecuted, diasporized, vaporized, discriminated against, fed to dogs, made soap out of etc.
Yet they are one of the most successful, educated and prosperous groups in the country. The ivy league universities, medical schools, law schools are full of them -- and not because of affirmative action either. Blacks would do well to emulate them -- stop making excuses. No one is holding them back.
We're getting a little off topic, aren't we? |
teleburst
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"Yet they are one of the most successful, educated and prosperous groups in the country. The ivy league universities, medical schools, law schools are full of them -- and not because of affirmative action either".
We have rarely needed affirmative action. While we might have been excluded from certain societies in those schools (or country clubs for that matter), we have generally been allowed to attend those schools without regard to our religion. We have been allowed to eat in "your" restaurants and vote in "your" elections. And guess what, in Germany, you're not even allowed to even make the Nazi salute (does that offend your sense of anti-PC-correctness?). Jews have also received some measure of reparations there as well. Surely, we could be expected to do no less for blacks.
"No one is holding them back". Well, YOU are holding back a black server by refusing to pay them for their service regardless of their level of service based on the color of their skin. It's just a step back to Birmingham in 1954.
And paid-up, I hope I don't inspire you to shoot up your local 7-11. |
paid_up
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Ah Teleburst, don't be afraid. |
teleburst
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Oh, I'm not. I don't go to 7-11. |
raulb
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I'll take you at your word, TB, but to hear the history channel tell it, and even the old Jewish partners in my firm, in the early part of the 20th century, jews were treated worse than blacks.
Blacks always claim that the early Egyptians were black. We know from Genesis and Exodus that the early Egyptians enslaved the Jews. Therefore, do todays blacks owe reparations to today's Jews? If we're going to be consistent they do. I don't plan to pay a dime's worth of reparations to either group. I didn't do it.
Nazi salute? Where's that coming from? I've never felt inclined to do that -- I have too many Jewish friends, business associates, clients and partners that I wouldn't want to insult. But if I ever decided that I felt like I should salute a Nazi -- as bizarre as that sounds -- I reserve that right.
Well, YOU are holding back a black server . . . The way I see it, I'm just forcing that black server to pay reparations to the white server for the sins of their African brothers and sisters who stiff all those white waiters. And I'll stop it when blacks, as a group, learn to act civilized in restaurants.
I didn't know you were Jewish, TB. Shalom! Maybe that's the secret to your success with your black customers. Jewish folk tend to have a way with blacks. |
gbowen99
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"I can think of one. Think SLAVES."
Between slavery and starving to death. I'll pick slavery any day. |
teleburst
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"Between slavery and starving to death. I'll pick slavery any day".
Not too many Irish starved to death in America in the 1850s. At least no more often than other free Americans.
But the fact that you think so little of personal freedom is telling. Most Americans would reverse your opinion. |
paid_up
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Now Teleburst is a history major. He speaks for the blacks, the jews and now the Irish. A man for all. |
teleburst
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Thank you. I wear the crown modestly.
Resist that impulse to load those magaiznes up, p_u. |
paid_up
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magaiznes - what are those? |
teleburst
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"Its" a typo. In this case, a simple transposition of two letters while typing. Different than not knowing when to use an apostrophe or a question mark.
So I wanted to talk "too" your question. I hope I answered it. |
paid_up
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Nope, you are still wrong. |
teleburst
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Nope. If you'd like a definition of a typo, feel free to asdk nicely. (Hint: theres a typo in the preceeding sentence and a misapplication of grammar and a mispelling in this parenthetical). |
paid_up
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You still messed it up. |
teleburst
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Uh oh, looks like I broke it. It's stuck. |
paid_up
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Thank You |
teleburst
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"I'll take you at your word, TB, but to hear the history channel tell it, and even the old Jewish partners in my firm, in the early part of the 20th century, jews were treated worse than blacks".
In the US? Is that why we've had several Jewish Supreme Court justices in the early 20th century? Is that why for years we've been accused of "secretly running the country"? Sure, we've been discriminated against. But not nearly to the extent that blacks (and to a certain degree women) have been.
"Blacks always claim that the early Egyptians were black. We know from Genesis and Exodus that the early Egyptians enslaved the Jews. Therefore, do todays blacks owe reparations to today's Jews? If we're going to be consistent they do".
Or if we want to use absurd exaggerations to try to "prove a point", they do.
"I don't plan to pay a dime's worth of reparations to either group".
See below.
"I didn't do it".
But you're doing it as we speak (according to you).
"Nazi salute? Where's that coming from"?
The point is, the German authorities have bent over backwards to make up for the sins of their fathers and grandfathers, going so far as to curtail what we here in the US would consider freedom of expression. This is in addition to some reparations that they have made.
"I've never felt inclined to do that -- I have too many Jewish friends, business associates, clients and partners that I wouldn't want to insult. But if I ever decided that I felt like I should salute a Nazi -- as bizarre as that sounds -- I reserve that right".
There ya go. However, if you do it in Germany, the Polizei is going to have you for lunch. The point is that a just society tries to correct the sins of the past. Affirmative action is a form of after-the-fact equalization for crimes against our citizens done in the past. It's right and it's just and it will probably start being phased out over time as we get a generation or two "on their feet" so to speak. One think I would probably agree with you on is that there's a danger of it becoming endemic and counter-productive. Fortunately, many of our younger generation refuse to think as you do and start forgetting about color and as that becomes less and less an issue, the need for affirmative action will shrink. It *is* the 21st century after all, not the 19th.
"Well, YOU are holding back a black server . . . The way I see it, I'm just forcing that black server to pay reparations to the white server for the sins of their African brothers and sisters who stiff all those white waiters".
So, reparations are a GOOD thing, right? Then why do you refuse to do the good thing? Are you a bad person?
"And I'll stop it when blacks, as a group, learn to act civilized in restaurants".
I guess you're the great judge of "civilized behavior", eh? Frankly, I find your claimed behaivor and your verbiage pretty uncivilized and it makes me ashamed to occupy the same part of the country as you.
"I didn't know you were Jewish, TB".
I'm half Jewish, half Southen Baptist. And technically I'm not really Jewish since my dad was Jewish. But we were raised in the Jewish faith.
"Shalom! Maybe that's the secret to your success with your black customers. Jewish folk tend to have a way with blacks"
Cute. I guess it's time to trot out the pawnbroker jokes. |
gbowen99
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"But the fact that you think so little of personal freedom is telling. Most Americans would reverse your opinion."
You can not tell me you would pick death over slavery. Sure personal freedom is nice, but any sane person would take a lifetime of picking cotton over starving to death. I seriously doubt most Americans would choose death. |
raulb
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Cute. I guess it's time to trot out the pawnbroker jokes.
You got some? I'd love to hear 'em. But seriously, I didn't mean it to be cute. Black people find a natural sympathy to their supposed plight in many Jewish people.
You make some valid points and I'll address them fully when I'm back home and have more that a few minutes at the computer. |
teleburst
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"I seriously doubt most Americans would choose death".
Dude - I've got one word for you - Iraq. We have people who are choosing death in the cause of freedom (not even their own). Do you even know how many died or risked death to get out of those cotton fields? |
vitalryan
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tele,
And do you know how many are dying or risking death to get back in the cotton fields?
(cheap mexican joke, ha ha) |
gbowen99
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"Dude - I've got one word for you - Iraq. We have people who are choosing death in the cause of freedom (not even their own)."
Freedom from whom? The Iraq people are not oppressing my freedom. I have never woken up and thought "You know it would be nice if the Iraq people would let me be free." I really don't see being in Iraq as freedom for America. Sure it is nice to provide some security while the Iraq people get their government and country going (As we fortify security positions around the oil.)
In the long run wars are a pointless waste of human life and resources.
"Do you even know how many died or risked death to get out of those cotton fields?"
I am sure plenty. But again I would choose slavery over death. I would pick the best time to leave, but until then I would put my head down and work. |
teleburst
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You have missed the whole point. The fact is, there are many soldiers in Iraq who are dying or risking death to "preserve freedom" for people that aren't even Americans. This goes even further than dying for your own personal freedom, a concept that you can't seem to conceive of. You would be happier being a slave than risking death to try to set yourself free. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, just that many if not most Americans take a different position and have taken such a position throughout the years. I know one thing, most Americans seem to think that they would fight and die for personal freedom. At least they pay lip service to that idea. Just look on the New Hampshire license plate for the phrase "Live Free or Die!" |
gbowen99
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"The fact is, there are many soldiers in Iraq who are dying or risking death to "preserve freedom" for people that aren't even Americans. This goes even further than dying for your own personal freedom, a concept that you can't seem to conceive of."
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the enemy die for his. If your dead on the battlefield then you have failed at whatever you were trying to accomplish. In fact with every casualty the enemy is that much closer to victory. So dying for your country is not the best way to win a war or preserve freedom.
I am not saying I would want to live my life as a slave. Just long enough to game a game plan to escape slavery without getting killed. |
rev_rund
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"None of that matters now. We live in the now and not in the past."
I would say that the past does matter, at least pertaining to what you were responding to. A full generation has not passed since blacks gained the full right to vote. Yes every society has had some form of slavery and in most of those discussion the past shouldn't effect the present. American slavery and subsequent treatment of blacks is still so recent that you can't discuss present conditions without addressing the near past. just my two cents though.
"In fact America was not even a 1st wold country until a little after WW2."
This is true but only because the terms 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world didn't exist at all until after WW2. I do know what you are getting at though and it simply isn't true. America has had a high level of world influence since the 1850's.
"Even Japan used to have a stronger military than us."
Again simply not true. In the 1930's Japan modernized their military faster than the US, but by the time of Pearl Harbor we were ahead of them again. Compare the quality of US aircraft carriers to Japanese carriers for instance.
not trying to be a jerk or anything but those are some really bad views of American history, which - to come full circle - is why the past should not "just be the past", because if you don't constantly discuss your history you will end up distorting it. |
teleburst
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You know even less about the military than you do about restaurants. Your statements are patently false. The object of war is the defeat of the enemy, pure and simple, and this is done with the knowledge that some of your troops will die in the process of taking ground. I'd suggest that you do some studying before you dig yourself deeper.
BTW, my unit in Germany was basically tasked with "dying in place". You can read all about it (with my unit namechecked) in a book called "The Third World War" by Gen (ret.) John Hackett. Our life expectancy was less than 72 hours while we delayed the expected surge of the 3rd Shock Army across the East German border to allow the rapid deployment of US troops from the US and elsewhere (I think it was the 3rd). While the book is fiction, it is based on NATO war doctrine and used the actual force structure. |
gbowen99
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"I would say that the past does matter, at least pertaining to what you were responding to."
I have to disagree. The past is history. The people that live in the present can make new rules on anything they want. Why? Because we are alive and in charge. So the past don't mean squat to the people in charge now.
In 1940 the alliance was extended to include Japan. The three nations—Germany, Italy, and Japan—became the Axis Powers. So you don't think Japan had a very strong military when it was coupled with Germany and Italy? |
teleburst
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Well, I guess it's up to me to trot out the venerable statement - "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it".
You say Axis power and I raise you Allied power. The UK and Russia were part of US. Guess who won with an ultimately superior force?
America was certainly a "first world country" by any definition by the 20th century. I think that maybe what you were trying to say was "superpower". And I think you would have been better served by talking about Japan's technological strides AFTER WW2, vis a vis American industry. And, since we are close to being superceded by the EC in terms of economic and technological clout, and with China and India also shooting ahead, a look back to the post WW2 world with an eye toward critical anaylsis might not be a bad idea right now. |
fatblackwoman
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Biotch! I don't be tippin' nothin! I be goin' into restaraunts and complainin' bout dey food and gettin' me some free shiot from liberal managers because I am a fat black, unemployed, mother of seven, fat black woman! |
paid_up
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I know people talk like that but this the first time I have seen anybody type like that. Your as white as a gallon of milk and not chocolate either. |
fatblackwoman
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raulb be aight. He just be stiffin' some waiters fo' shizzle. I beez stiffin' everybody white, black, hispanic, chinese, japanese, korean, mongoloid. I usually like to have a white waiter cause dey be doin' wut I beez tellin' dem to. |
teleburst
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Nothing like white southern lawyers with too much time on their hands. Must be the economy tankin'...billable hours must be on the decline...guess I won't have to worry about him coming into my restaurant any time soon... |
fatblackwoman
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biotch! Who you be callin' a "southern lawyer"? I beez a fat black woman in jacktown. I beez stiffin' every server I ever be havin' fo shizzle. |
nuvola09
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Mongoloid? She's an equal opportunity fat black woman. How refreshing.
Actually, I know a lawyer who comes into my place of work frequently. He says his business is bad right now, and he doesn't have much to do. Hence the reason he comes in a visits us. Looks like Paul has come up with something a little more creative/anti-social to kill time.
(Message edited by nuvola09 on January 31, 2008) |
teleburst
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Well, I'm not worried about Paul coming into my restaurant because I suspect that a. we're too expensive for him, and b. he's not well-connected enough. The lawyers that generally come into our place move in rarified circles. The others I used to see at PF Chang's.
If he SHOULD come in, I dare him to stiff one of our black servers. Two of them have been serving since he was in short pants and are two of our most requested servers, because they've seen some of our guests through 3 or 4 fine-dining restaurants for years and are highly accomplished servers (one is our head trainer). |
fatblackwoman
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Seriously, I used to wait tables at a restaurant in Mississippi. I was a pretty bad server so I got stiffed by everybody: white, black, asian and hispanic. My wife used to wait tables in New Orleans , and she was stiffed by many a black table. They just don't understand how the system works. Some of them will tip well, but most of them just don't understand that servers are taxed on 20% of what they sell.
Furthermore, the black servers she and I worked with were just as racist as any white server. I remember one time a black co-worker of mine was upset about being stiffed as he explained, "I got stiffed by my own people!" He later explained that it's simply the black culture, nothing more. |
paid_up
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Someone here has a problem with “ white southern lawyers”. I think when the the divorce was granted the “ white southern lawyers” took that someone out to the wood shed and gave him some good ole boy southern hospitality. |
teleburst
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Seriously, if you're serious, then you really don't know much about reality, since servers aren't "taxed on 20% of what they sell". |
justwannaknow
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thats right, however, if you get audited then your sales are what they will look at as far as what you will repay back to the government... |
astrid
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Raulb:"Why are you so offended? Are you black?"
I'm white, and I see plenty wrong with everything that you posted. I will never understand this world...particularly, why people like you are racist. I just can't understand hating someone for the colour of their skin, that is unfair and ignorant. I guess I was raised a lot differently than you, and many other racist ignorant fools such as yourself. |
teleburst
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"thats right, however, if you get audited then your sales are what they will look at as far as what you will repay back to the government..."
However, nobody knows (not even me, of course) what figure they use (see below). However, it's certain that they don't use 20% of sales. What they WILL do is take a representative period of time in order to do a sampling (whatever they think is appropriate) and add up all of your credit card tip percentages and get a representative sampling of your average percentage. If you have a TRAC sheet that you have to keep (or TRAC information saved by the restaurant), they'll compare the information that you reported with the actual slips. They'll then add up all of your cash sales (if it's not broken down on your daily server report, they'll simply subtract your credit card sales from your total sales). They'll then compare your declared cash tips to your sales and see if it falls in line with your credit card tips. Before they do all of that though, they'll subtract out any tipouts that you have reported (and they'll probably compare them to the stated restaurant policy for tipouts to see if they jibe). The IRS has a lot of data that they've collected through field research and they have a pretty good idea about what the average take-home tip percentage is for different kind of restaurants. In fact, they've been known to send their agents to dinner and leave a larger than normal cash tip and then show up a few days later to see how it was reported (at least I heard of it happening in the mid 90s). As long as you're reporting your tips properly, there's nothing to worry about. It's even pretty difficult to skim much reported tips off the top these days since over 90% of all transactions including tips are captured by credit card receipts.
But in no case do they "tax you on 20%", even during an audit. I know because I know a couple of people who have gone through the process. Even the IRS recognizes that few, if any, servers take home 20% as an average. For restaurants that have signed TRAC agreements, the normal automatic reporting figure that the IRS wants is 12% (I'm pretty sure). |
raulb
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Well, I'm not worried about Paul coming into my restaurant because I suspect that a. we're too expensive for him, and
Seriously, TB. Think you might be projecting a bit there? When I eat out it's usually because I'm traveling in connection with work. I have an expense account. As long as it's not extravagant, I am fully reimbursed. But even on my own dime, I've never encountered a restaurant at which I couldn't afford to eat -- at least one meal.
b. he's not well-connected enough.
I've never eaten at a place where you had to be connected to get in. Reservations, a tie and jacket, yes, but connections, no. But pretentiousness like that is not my kind of thing anyway.
The lawyers that generally come into our place move in rarified circles.
Sounds kinky.
The last time I was in Nashville -- I believe that's where you said you were -- I ate at the Stockyard. That's my kind of place. Best prime rib I've ever had, hands down, and I am somewhat of a connoisseur. Second to none. I also ate at the Palms which is right nearby, but it didn't hold a candle to the Stockyard. Very pretentious -- the kind of place a Paris Hilton and her ilk would go. Is that where you work?
If he SHOULD come in, I dare him to stiff one of our black servers. Two of them have been serving since he was in short pants and are two of our most requested servers, because they've seen some of our guests through 3 or 4 fine-dining restaurants for years and are highly accomplished servers (one is our head trainer).
Well if you really mean that, I'd have to know your place of employment. Who would I request so as to get the black server? I am in Nashville now and again and I'd definitely take your dare. That would be one ANGRY african. To be requested and then get stiffed.
Oh, here's an article you may find interesting:
http://tri-statedefenderonline.com/articlelive/articles/2612/1/The-Tipping-Gap-- Whats-at-stake/Page1.html
Take care,
RaulB |
nuvola09
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I loved the article, but it doesn't excuse, explain or justify your behavior of stiffing blacks. What you fail to understand is that your actions get you (and any server who waits on you, for that matter) nowhere. |
raulb
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but it doesn't excuse, explain or justify your behavior of stiffing blacks
No, it doesn't. So here's the explanation: The reason why I always stiff african waiters and give their tips to non-africans is, that for several years while I was in school I waited tables and was routinely stiffed or extremely low tipped by blacks. All waiters were. Even their fellow africans. I was supporting a small family and going to school and had my income decreased substantially by africans who felt that they didn't have to tip. Because they were africans. Waiting tables was the only job I could find that would give me flexible enough hours. So I stuck with it.
As for an excuse or justification, I don't need one. They didn't. Other than the color of their skin.
And I'm not trying to get anywhere through these actions. I don't keep their tips for myself, I pass them along to non-african waiters. I am simply helping the non-black races at the expense of the black ones.
Glad you enjoyed the article. Here's another:
http://tri-statedefenderonline.com/articlelive/articles/2630/1/Size-Matters-Do-A frican-American-workers-get-smaller-tips/Page1.html
The pictures aren't in the way on this one. Same article:
http://tri-statedefenderonline.com/articlelive/articles/2630/1/Size-Matters-Do-African-American-workers-get-smaller-tips/Page1.html/print/2630
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teleburst
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"The last time I was in Nashville -- I believe that's where you said you were -- I ate at the Stockyard. That's my kind of place. Best prime rib I've ever had, hands down, and I am somewhat of a connoisseur. Second to none. I also ate at the Palms which is right nearby, but it didn't hold a candle to the Stockyard. Very pretentious -- the kind of place a Paris Hilton and her ilk would go. Is that where you work"?
I'm familiar with both places, although, I think it's just the Palm (singular). I think The Stockyard is quaint. I liked Buddy Killen, the owner and I was sad when he passed away last year. As for the Palm, I found it a pretty fun place. Pretentious? Well, I guess to each his own (my only real complaint with the place is that it gets loud and boisterous, but I suppose if I'm going to have a quiet NY/Chicago style dinner, I would probably go to Morton's, which is more subdued, although I've found that the quality of the Morton's steaks and the Palm's steaks are about the same - it's been sometime since I've eaten and the Stockyard, but I've heard variable things about the quality of their steaks). But frankly, when someone tells me that they're a "connoisseur of prime rib", that's pretty pretentious in and of itself. You might as well say, "I'm the Baron of Buffet". Prime rib is somewhat of a lowest common denominator type dish in my view. It's just a fancy roast, after all. Plus, the "prime" part of the name is misleading, since "prime rib" doesn't even have to be a USDA prime piece of meat.
From that article that you posted:
"Years ago, after a predominantly white wait staff told this African-American manager that African-American diners didn’t tip, she offered them a challenge. She joined the wait staff on the floor for the night, and had all the African-American customers sent to her. At night’s end, all tips were added up and she had collected the same amount of money as the white servers".
Well, that's been my experience as well. I don't do the internal eye-rolling that many servers seem to do, but deny that they do. Maybe that's part of my magic.
And no, I'm not going to tell you where I work. Not only do I not want you screwing one of my friends, I don't want you in my restaurant. Period. I don't want to get racist cooties all over me. |
teleburst
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" So here's the explanation: The reason why I always stiff african waiters and give their tips to non-africans is, that for several years while I was in school I waited tables and was routinely stiffed or extremely low tipped by blacks. All waiters were. Even their fellow africans. I was supporting a small family and going to school and had my income decreased substantially by africans who felt that they didn't have to tip. Because they were africans. Waiting tables was the only job I could find that would give me flexible enough hours. So I stuck with it.
As for an excuse or justification, I don't need one. They didn't. Other than the color of their skin".
Soooo, you screwed YOURSELF financially by your own prejudice. That's brilliant! |
paid_up
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Nobody said servers were smart. |
teleburst
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Well, I was smart enough to pay for this month's mortgage with last night's take. |