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washu2002
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Username: washu2002
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 08:09 am: | 
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Okay you racist f*cqs. Check this out:
http://www.bitterwaitress.com/std/
It's the "Shyty tipper database" and as you can SEE, The f'ing Yatch club didn't leave any tip and Kim Coles f'ing left 55%.
Second off, it's your f'ing JOB to SERVE ME GOD DAMNIT! Do your f'ing job REGARDLESS of how your little shyty racist brains THINK you're going to get tipped. I'm black and by principal I ALWAYS tip 25%. 30% if service is good. And I am NOT rich. BUT, BECAUSE I'M A YOUNG BLACK MALE, WHENEVER I GO TO A RESTAURANT IN NEW YORK I'M ALWAYS TREATED LIKE SOME SORT OF SECOND-CLASS CITIZEN.
GET IT THROUGH YOUR SILLY HEADS THAT UNTIL YOU START SERVING BLACKS THE SAME WAY YOU SERVE YOUR OTHER CUSTOMERS, YOU WON'T BEGIN TO SEE BETTER TIPS FROM MY "SIBLINGS".
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jenaclaree
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Username: jenaclaree
Post Number: 29
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 08:37 am: |
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I used to serve black people the same as everyone else. And to be honest most of them time they tipped me fairly well. Once in a while though you'd some that would run up a $100 check and leave $5. So while your theory is true that they will tip as long as you are fair to them there is still that stereotypical black person that may stiff you. |
linda
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Username: linda
Post Number: 151
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 08:50 am: |
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"I ALWAYS tip 25%. 30% if service is good. And I am NOT rich. BUT, BECAUSE I'M A YOUNG BLACK MALE, WHENEVER I GO TO A RESTAURANT IN NEW YORK I'M ALWAYS TREATED LIKE SOME SORT OF SECOND-CLASS CITIZEN. "
I'm sorry that you are being treated like a second-class citizen. I treat all my guests just about the same.
I do get alot of teen guests...who are very loud and rude. They get my basic service..and will wait longer until I get to their table...but ONLY if they are being rude. They fail to realize that we are a "restaurant" and not a playground.
I have very high service standards for myself. My service only goes down IF I am not being treated right. Race has nothing to do with it.
That said...I have to ask why you tip 25% - 30% at a restaurant that is treating you second-class?
Also..HOW are you being treated?
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washu2002
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Username: washu2002
Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 08:50 am: |
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God HELP ME! GUESS THE FUQK WHAT! FROM THE LOOKS OF THAT SHYTY TIPPING DATABASE THERE ARE A *LOT* OF WHITE PEOPLE WHO DON'T TIP WELL EITHER. BUT YOUR SHYTY LITTLE HEADS HAVE TO PATHOLOGIZE EVERYTHING BLACK PEOPLE DO.
AGAIN, GOOD SERVICE BREEDS GOOD TIPPING. |
washu2002
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Username: washu2002
Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 08:56 am: |
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SEATED IN THE WORST TABLES OR AT THE BAR. HAVE TO WAIT FOREVER FOR A WAITER. AFTERWARDS, MOSTLY HOVERED OVER BY WAITER SO I (OR WE) WILL HURRY UP AND LEAVE, AND I'M TALKING LIKE EVERY THREE-FIVE MINUTES (SOMETIMES ALONE, SOMETIMES WITH SOMEONE, ALWAYS SAME SHYTY SERVICE). YES, WE DRINK WATER (AND SOMETIMES TEA) AND YES IT NEVER GETS REFILLED.
AND SOMETIMES I SIMPLY GET THIS CONDESCENDING, OR PATRONIZING TONE FROM THE WAITER/WAITRESS.
I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO TIP 25% TO OFFSET THIS STEREOTYPE THAT I UNFAIRLY HAVE TO FEND OFF IN ORDER TO *EVENTUALLY* GET TREATED WITH A *LITTLE* RESPECT. |
jenaclaree
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 10:41 am: |
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Tip them nothing and leave them a note telling them why! |
vozveratu
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 10:50 am: |
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Ok washu2002, we understand your frustraition. When I go into a restaurant with my three kids, I'm sure the waiter/waitress is gritting their teeth, but since I'm in the industry, I'll tip good if the service is good.
Your on a board of understanding people, so the yelling can be down a notch, so turn the CAPS off please.
In the restaurant I work at, black, white, red, or green, your going to receive great service because people are spending a lot of money to eat there. I think the restaurant type has a lot to do with the kind of service your receiving. The more family style restaurants attract the people who tip a little lower in most cases, but like everything, there are exceptions to the rule. Same goes for the higher end with average higher tippers. We get black people in a our restaurant and they tip around 15-25%. So no problems there, however the spending amount of black people is lower. I have had only one black table order an expensive bottle of wine. Owner of the new Bobcats Basketball team ordered a bottle that costs 180.00. Most others order tea, coke, mixed fruit drinks, and sometime cocktails, like rum n coke, scotch, etc. The PPA of these types of tables are lower than someone who orders expensive wine. As waiters, we don't think about the tip when a table sits down, we think about what we can sell at the table. Entree only, tea and nothing else is a drag on PPA. Wine, apps, entrees, and deserts are the cream of the crop type tables. We get all types of orders, but as sales men/women we try to sell as much as we can.
Whether we get a table of women, black people, English people, French, business men, family of kids, or the 70th year old bridge club, we treat everyone equally.
Peace
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nuvola09
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Username: nuvola09
Post Number: 121
Registered: 11-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 04:34 pm: |
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washu2002 - I'm white, and I have to say that I agree with you on some of your points. But if you refer to the thread on race and tipping, a lot of people who post here said that blacks tip just as well. Also, I strongly believe that it is a regional thing. I live in southern New England, and I rarely get blacks who tip below 20%. I don't wait on black people very often, they are outnumbered in this area. But when I do they are very nice. As far as I can remember, I've never been stiffed by blacks. Bad tippers, in my experience, are mostly due to age and education.
Maybe vozveratu has a point...are you going to restaurants that are known for good service? Maybe they just aren't nice places and don't pride themselves on treating people well. If you live in NY, you have a wide array of places to choose from.
(you don't need to yell, we'll listen anyway)
"Some people have yoga, I have waitressing." - unknown
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nuvola09
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Post Number: 122
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 04:35 pm: |
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PS - bitterwaitress.com is a very informative and amusing site, for anyone who hasn't visited it.
"Some people have yoga, I have waitressing." - unknown
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jammie
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Post Number: 334
Registered: 06-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 07:00 am: |
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washu, I work with some people who are racists.I love it when it bites them right in the a$$. A month ago, a black family came in (5 people) it was my co workers turn she didnt want them. Long story short, I made $40.oo on a $120.00 check.Boy was she mad, I couldnt help but rub it in. Another time, young black couple, left me $10.00 on a $25.00 tab.They paid and tipped with a credit card.Do you know what the same co worker said? It was probaly a stolen card anyway!!!! I told her no wonder why blacks dont tip you.
Yes, you are right, some whites are lousy tippers too. Its a gamble when you take a table one just never knows, how you will be tipped. Another thing washu if you get substandard service, by all means leave a substandard tip. |
momma222
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 02:26 am: |
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tonight at work I had a family of 5 nice black people aqll ordered steaks and desserts total bill $75 or around there when i bussed the table not a dime was left just the mess and I get to pay taxes on their food too not all do me that way but I dont understand why??? I filled drinks went back alot to check on them ect... Im not predudice but why do most not tip?????? |
vozveratu
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Post Number: 37
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 08:42 am: |
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Talking with a friend of mine yesterday about this post and he sumed it up very nicely. Oh how wise he is.
Just as we have restaurant types, we also have customer types. We basically know the different types that come in; blacks, business, old ladies, jewish ladies, young couples, kids, families, prom, blah blah blah.
When I first started working as a server, as well as anyone else in the business, you had an uncertainy of what is to happen. Your young and new to the business. As you get your first table of old ladies, you experience the situation and review the tip. This happens with all types.
As time goes on, your getting conditioned on the norm. As the norm happens, you gain a certain experience of knowing that the typical types are going to be; demanding, unpleasant, cheap, etc.
This is basic human nature. As you experience the different types of customers, your getting experience on what the basic outcome is going to be.
Sometimes you get a pleasant surprise, but because you remember the bad more than the good, a good tipper is not going to wash out the bad memories you've had over the years.
Now, what makes a good server and a jerk is one who can still give great service even though they know the outcome will be negative. If the outcome is positive, excellent! If not, then they move on and continue to experience the norm.
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wildstar
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Username: wildstar
Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 02:08 am: |
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I would definitely say that the area the eating establishment is in will dictate some of the experience. More affluent areas tend to have finer restaurants, which provide better service (to a degree). Lesser affluent areas, or cheaper restaurants like Waffle House tend to be more basic, the check totals are lower, hence you may see slightly less service, as the potential tip can only be so much (except for the "surprises"). For what it's worth, Washu, you have every right to expect good service. If you don't receive good service, tell the manager what you felt was wrong. Managers need this feedback to correct such issues. They can't fix it if they don't know its broken. Managers also aim to please. In the past when I have had a reasonable complaint, many times I've received a discount on my dinner for the evening. A few times I've had them take the check, rip it in half and say, " I'm very sorry Sir, there will be no charge for your dinner this evening.". So go ahead and complain. Only good can come from it as far as you're concerned.
I haven't failed, I've just found lots of ways that don't work. (Paraphrasing of Ben Franklin)
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wildstar
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Post Number: 6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 02:20 am: |
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Regarding bitterwaitress.com, I am surprised, and somewhat annoyed, to learn that the creator of that site considers anything less than 17% to be crappy. For many years as I was growing up (I'm now 35) 15% was considered to be the standard tip, with 20% being for exceptionally good service. This site suggests that 20% is the new norm, and 15% is an insult to waitstaff everywhere. Next it'll be 25%. I guess the tip percentage is directly linked to the Federal Income Tax schedules now. Can I itemize my deductions on my dinner tax?
That venting out of the way, is 15% truly considered crappy? Or is that bitter waitress reaching a little TOO far?
I haven't failed, I've just found lots of ways that don't work. (Paraphrasing of Ben Franklin)
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vozveratu
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Post Number: 46
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 08:42 am: |
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I agree wildstar. 15% is norm for good service while 20% is exceptional in my book. Not sure why the website is trying to squeeze more out.
Peace
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teleburst
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Post Number: 736
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 11:21 am: |
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Agreed. The accepted, time-tested standard in America is 15% for average, normal "good" service. You adjust more or less depending on the variation from that norm.
This was the standard when I took my first waiting job in 1974. |
avalanche
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Post Number: 5
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 02:05 pm: |
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times have changed...i think 20% is the norm.
BUT!!!
i do think it matters where you are and what state your in. i'm in California (Orange County) in a "Fine Dining" restaurant. i expect no less than 20% for the service i give. i will say that i am still human and on a rare occasion that i make a mistake, i am fine with 15%. now that i just typed that i realized that what vozveratu was saying is what im saying as well. i do give exceptional service. but if im doing wine presentation and crumb your table then i want 20%+. i used to train 5star servers, i think im worth it ;) (im not trying to brag, just stating a fact)
as far as blacks, whites, browns, reds, greens, and periwinkles its all the same to me. it comes down to where people are from and the education they have (dining). i am a white male and i always make everyone feel comfortable, as if they were in my house. thats why i always say guests not customers. servers that say customers probably treat their guests like customers. what i mean by this is when you go to the supermarket and buy something, you get what you want and pay that amount, no tip involved, your a customer.
i had couple from Sweden a few months ago, i know that they dont know how it is, but i gave them great service anyway. the bill ended up about $100 and they left $2 and change. i just laughed and went on with my day.
if you want me to answer the question about blacks and tipping, i will say its about half and half. from my years of serving and serving fairly i have noticed that half tip very very bad, the few times have been stiffed were blacks. and the other half tip WAY OVER!!! about 30%. so at the end of it all it washes out even.
as far as the "whiskey tangos" out there. i am happy to say that WTs dont even come into my restaurant. whew lol
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malikyla
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:55 am: |
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Here in Louisville, generally blacks and Middle Eastern people are not favorites when they come to the restaurant, because we generally get 10% or less from them. Here, even the black servers don't want to wait on other blacks. Maybe it's locale, and if it is that sucks for us servers, but I don't consider it racist, we all consider it experience. Nobody treats the middle easten or black guest differently, mind you, we are trained to give 100% to everyone that comes to our restaurant. However we expect 10% or less as the norm for a tip. Here, everyone has had an excellent tip from an African-american or Middle-Eastern couple or family now and then, but it's rare. It's not racism, just knowing your neighborhood. Nobody should look at it racially, it's just what we've seen time and time again.
I think that if you have black servers try to give away tables of blacks or middle-eastern guests that says something in itself. Are you calling them racist?? I think not. I just think it is a generalization that we have been trained to due to the majority of poor tippers they have had. I give excellent service to everyone, regardless if race, but I too will admit that certain races tip generally less. Don't get all your huffs up, it's just the way it is, unfortunately. |
m_shaw
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:32 pm: |
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times have changed...i think 20% is the norm.
BUT!!!
i do think it matters where you are and what state your in. i'm in California (Orange County) in a "Fine Dining" restaurant. i expect no less than 20% for the service i give. i will say that i am still human and on a rare occasion that i make a mistake, i am fine with 15%. now that i just typed that i realized that what vozveratu was saying is what im saying as well. i do give exceptional service. but if im doing wine presentation and crumb your table then i want 20%+. i used to train 5star servers, i think im worth it ;) (im not trying to brag, just stating a fact)
Well if you think you are worth it and that good feel free to tip yourself 20 % all day long . You EXPECT a tip ? This is the attitude that when I run into it , gets nada , zip , squat . |
vozveratu
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 01:02 pm: |
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m-shaw, I fail to see how you can 'read' a server as EXPECTING a tip. Ever server expects to receive a tip by giving great service. If they didn't expect a tip, your service would suck.
So do you want good service or bad service?
Confused
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avalanche
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 05:29 pm: |
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Vozveratu exactly! m_shaw you have to be nuts to think a server doesn’t expect a tip, that’s how I pay the bills. My pay check ranges from $0 to $3.50 depending on how well I do. I don’t think I’m in it for that.
I think maybe you were taking me out of context; it’s hard to reflect emotion through typing.
Quoting myself “I’m not trying to brag, just stating a fact”
All I was saying is that I have the knowledge of the highest quality of service, 5 stars. If you were sitting at my table you wouldn’t think I was arrogant, you would think I was damn good. I have respect for everyone that does my line of work. I don’t care if you work at Denny’s or the Ritz Carlton. I think if you exceed the level of service that your restaurant requires, then you should get 20%+. This means not only nailing your “steps of service” but to be able to interact with your guests and not looking “fake” doing it.
Sorry for rambling… 
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ricmcg
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 02:11 am: |
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First, I do think that 20% is the new norm for tipping. I'm generally disappointed when i get 15%.
However, I'll comment on the black vs. white thing by saying that I'm elated when I even get 15% from most black tables. I do think it depends on where in the country you live. I work in Raleigh, NC.
Yesterday and today, I actually kept track of my tips and how much the bill was, and divided them into white and black tables. Yesterday, the white tables averaged 19.6% while the black tables averaged 11.8%. Tonight was even worse: the white tables averaged 19.0% and the black tables averaged 9.5%!!!! Yes, that's right, under 10%. I got nothing on a $23 bill, and also had some lady write in an 80cent tip on her credit card receipt for a $41.20 bill.
Call it a generalization, stereotype, racism, whatever you want. But there is no debate that black people tip less than white people on average.
As far as expecting a tip, yes, servers do expect tips. It's how we pay our bills. Sometimes I just wish that another business was like the restaurant business. The next time I go to the doctor, I want to be able to say "thank you so much for curing me. Everything was fantastic...But i'm not paying you anything".
I don't know whether it's ignorance or just being ghetto-fabulous, but I look forward to giving my 2 weeks for the last time in a restaurant and being able to tell every last table what i think of them. |
teleburst
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 08:40 am: |
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" But there is no debate that black people tip less than white people on average".
Sure there is. |
nuvola09
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 02:20 pm: |
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ricmcg - from hearing people talk here, your problem is your region. I don't have problems with non-whites nearly as much (in Rhode Island) as the rest of you. There's plenty of room for debate. Sometimes, I would have black guests who would tip way over 20%...but it's because of the area I live in and the class level and intellegence of the guest.
Just last night, I got a $2.50 tip on a $33.00 check. It was three white people. Complete white trash. I'm so sick of low class, ignorant customers. That's one thing I absolutely hate about my job.
Is there anyone else on this board who currently lives in New England? I think we need more input.
"Some people have yoga, I have waitressing." - unknown
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scarlett
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I live in NJ, and agree with you Nuvola. It's a question of socio-economic class, not race.
Trash is trash regardless of race or ethnicity.
I think The French are the worst tippers. They don't tip because in France servers receive excellent pay and benefits.Then they come here for on vacation and don't bother to learn our tipping customs.
GRRR!
~"Imagine if they gave a war and nobody came."~
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ricmcg
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 06:22 pm: |
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I agree that the region and socioeconomic class play a part in the tips. one of my best friends at my restaurant is from connecticut, and she said that she had never been tipped so poorly, by both white and black people, until she came to NC.
However, the average is still much lower for blacks than whites, as the numbers i posted before proved. And yes, I do get bad tips from white trash redneck people as well, but they are the minority among white people, whereas bad tips are the majority among black people.
With regards to socioeconomic class, if the black people are making less money, why are they spending $50-80 for two people to go out and eat? If you can afford to spend that, you can afford the extra $10-15 to tip the server. |
avalanche
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chasedbartender
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I would have to agree that noticing that blacks have a lower percentage of tipping is not racism, just an observation. We have our share of redneck white-trash here as well (Nashville) but as ricmcg noted, the percentage is noticably lower with race as well.
We also have a problem with religious groups (my restaraunt is located next to convention center, so we get all types) thinking that a pocket bible or a line of scripture is an adequate "tip". HA!
To be a good server, though, you have to treat everyone alike. I just like to think that maybe one day these people will realize what they have been doing to all of us hard-working servers and bartenders. Karma will bite them in the ass somehow! |
scarlett
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 12:08 am: |
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Chased, Teleburst is from Nashville!
(So are my sons in-laws!)
~"Imagine if they gave a war and nobody came."~
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It's always 4:20 at Rainbow's Realities!
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teleburst
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 02:05 am: |
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"However, the average is still much lower for blacks than whites, as the numbers i posted before proved".
You didn't "prove" anything.
Here's *my* night. I figured that I could probably keep track because Sunday nights are a little more laid back and it would be a distraction. I sold $850. I've excluded about $225 because it was a 10 top that had an 18% autograt.
So, without any further ado, the black tables first (all rounded up or down appropriately):
$10 on $46
$10 on $56
$6 on $30
$5 on $17
$7 on $35
Now the white tables:
$8 on $54
0 on $40 (left with their credit card slip...not very bright these white people)
$14 on $68
$5 on $40
$8 on 41
$7 on $77 (actually Indian people, so maybe I should put them in a third category)
$9 on $50
$12 on $88.
I don't have to run the numbers to know who won *this* battle of the tips. Unlike you however, I'm not willing to extrapolate these results on a global level. This doesn't "prove" anything, except that it generally falls in line with what I see. Sometimes blacks tip really well and sometimes they don't. Sometimes whites tip really well, but a lot of the time, they are fairly mediocre tippers. I found this more indictative of what I see from white tippers than what I usually see from black tippers though. I rarely see *any* group tip 20% the whole night. Usually there are some bad eggs that are counterbalanced by a couple of really generous folks. Tonight was different though. I got 20% from all of my black tables (well, one table was something like 19.5%, right?)
I still say that those of us who seem really glad to be waiting on a black table are soooo different than their usual experience that we get rewarded. I always seem to get the sense that it's almost a relief for them to be treated like anyone else (and I hate having to talk about "them" or "black tables" or the like, because I think the world doesn't really have time for that sort of crap, even if it doesn't always seem to know it).
BTW chased, I'm not downtown, but actually on the same street as you (likely)...the street doesn't have the same name though, as you well know...
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teleburst
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 02:19 am: |
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Sur wish we could edit our posts after the fact as on most boards these days...
Here's *my* night. I figured that I could probably keep track because Sunday nights are a little more laid back and it _wouldn't_ be a distraction |
scarlett
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Tele do you think the reason we get good tips from our Black tables is because we don't see Black people, we see people?
~"Imagine if they gave a war and nobody came."~
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vozveratu
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 08:47 am: |
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I waited on a black guy and a white girl. Thinking of jungle fever, it was changed once I found out the guy was gay. That changes him from black guy to a gay guy. Gays tip good, from my experience. Sure enough 20.00 tip on a 68.00 bill. Woohoo. I'm on the fence now... :p
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breeze16
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As a server, you have to take the good with the bad. It has been my expirence that you never know how much someone is going to leave you. You cannot assume anything, ever!
As my father used to say, assume nothing because you will make an a$$ of you and me. (get it?) He thought he was a pretty funny guy.
Black or white, some people just don't know how to tip. I'm sorry to the person who was treated as a second class citizen. Notify the manager when that happens or before-hand let your server know that you are an seasoned diner. Yes, you shouldn't have to do that but it's the world we live in.
I have had all black tables tip very well (over 30%) and others who asked sexually explict questions and the same table informed me that although it was closing time, I was expected to give them exceptional service. BTW, I think they left $5 on $150. I was just happy to see them leave. |
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OK teleburst, I didn't mean to extrapolate my findings to anything global. as i said in my last post, i think that geography has a lot to do with the kind of tips you get. however, seeing two nights in a row with almost identical results, i did prove that, in my particular restaurant, the black tables tipped much lower than the white tables. |
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Don't miss my point please. The point is that a lot of it has to do with attitude as well. I'm not accusing you of neglect, but past experiences can affect the vibe that you give off. Even a slight antipathy stemming from a "they aren't going to tip me" sort of mentality can come across as the same thing that they have lived with all of their lives. Sure, there are some blacks that just don't know how to tip, just as there are some white people who just aren't cultured enough to tip correctly. I had both instances yesterday and the day before. I got $3 on $35 from two black ladies but also got $4 on $38 from three whites.
I don't think it's geography, I think it's class-related, as others have pointed out. My point is that many blacks will tip great if you make them feel welcome. I thank them for coming in, I shake their hands, I touch their shoulders, I use their name when I return their credit card, etc. Just like I do for everyone else. Doesn'talways work, but it doesn't for whites either.
I'll say this about a close call that I had with a white table though. They had a $65 check and they gave me $71. I walked away from the table and opened the check presenter, saw what they had given me and decided that that must be my tip - $6. I started seeing red because the guyhad pulled me over and said that it was his wife's b'day. I got them a free b'day dessert with a candle and everything! So, I made the change and put the $5 and the $1 on each side of the check presenter (there was a little change as well). I then went back to the table and put the check presenter OPEN on the table. He made a waving motion like "It's all yours". I ignored him, didn't say a word and I walked away from the table. My next couple of passes through the section, I avoided them. Then, about 10 minutes later, I went by and picked up the presenter and the one had been replaced with a $5.
I'm absolutely positive that he meant for me to keep the change. I think his wife looked down and saw that he had left me less than 10% because when I picked up the presenter, I thanked them for coming in and she made a point to tell me that she appreciated everything I had done for them. No, it still wasn't 20% especially since they got a free $7 dessert, but it was appreciated nonetheless.
And then there was the black couple that I waited on Friday night. They left me something like 17%. I went about my business and one of the other servers said that they wanted to see me about the tip. I thought that they had left but they were standing around the table (apparently they had gone to the bathroom and had stopped on their way back to the front door). When I got to them, the guy said, "There's another $3 on the table. Girl here didn't leave you a proper 20% tip".
Anyway, I always try to counter blanket statements like this because I think it perpetuates the situation. It enobles servers to assume that they're going to get screwed by blacks and in a way, it's self-fullfilling prophesy. |
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"I don't think it's geography, I think it's class-related"
I have to disagree with it not being related to where you are in the country, but that in turn is related to class level. Where I live, we have a larger population of people who are educated (of all races) and are of a higher class in society. Therefore, the blacks you wait on are typically better tippers than others in other areas. We have our fair share of uneducated people and those who don't know how to conduct themselves in a retaurant, much less tip well...but my point it that the population as a whole (in my area) is different than the population in your area. So, the blacks in my area are different, along with the whites. Ya know?
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I'm white and am embarrassed the way some whites still look at black people as beneath them. I have a tremendous respect for the way black people have continued to keep their heads up high when many times they out class the whites that serve them. The bottom line is not color, however. Many people in service industries are at the lowest point in the earnings chain and they will pick on anyone, regardless of their color because they are miserable and hate waiting on anyone. |
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I don't know about these folks that live in the Northeast or the West Coast, but here in Dallas (probably the restaurant capital of the USA), blacks are notorious for their substandard tips. I work in a restaurant where even the black servers argue with the other servers over who has to wait on a black table. This is, by the way, in an upscale, largely white area of town (as Dallas is still under the rules of economic de facto segregation). Here, blacks have a reputation as being over-the-top needy guests. From the moment they walk into the restaurant, we, the servers, already know that they will need extra napkins and straws for all drinks, and will likely send their food back to the kitchen time and time again because it was overcooked, undercooked, insert any other problem that you can think of. They also have a reputation for trying to get something for nothing. They will put their own hair in their food and then call for the general manager to have their checks comped.
This is not racism. It is a fact. Numbers don't lie. Most of the stiffs that I recieve are from black tables, even after exceptional service. Those who have been in the restaurant industry for a while learn who generally tips well (businesspeople on expense accounts, homosexuals, heavy drinkers, ect..) and who does not (the elderly, families with very young children, blacks, ect...). I don't understand how liberals in those so-called "enlightened" parts of the country can contest what is a sociological fact. |
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" I don't understand how liberals in those so-called "enlightened" parts of the country can contest what is a sociological fact".
Because it's NOT a "sociological fact", maybe?
If you guys are arguing over whether to take a table, you're telling me that you STILL give 'exceptional service to that table? I think you're deluding yourself.
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If Blacks are such poor tippers and whites are such good ones, how come my co-worker got a $10.00 tip on a check of $130.00 for 11 white people (9 adults & 2 children) while I also received a $10.00 tip from 2 Black men on a $27.00 check? Both tables had excellent service. Could it be that some of you may indeed harbor negative feelings about Black guests? I mean, it can't be that I am Wonder Waitress, and since I am over 50, it sure ain't because I'm so gorgeous.
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I mean, it can't be that I am Wonder Waitress, and since I am over 50, it sure ain't because I'm so gorgeous.
I would disagree scarlet, I think it’s cus you’re sexy ;*
In all honesty, every place that I have worked, yes even black servers didn’t want to take black tables. As far as different service, I would be lying if I said that wasn’t true. As far as me personally, I give everyone the best service I can. The reasoning is this, yes when I look at a table and they are black I think, damn, but that’s it, I do the same thing with a white trash table. I don’t go up to the table and act like a fool, to me that would be as stupid as george thinking I’m gonna join his Socialist club. What I do to every table is try to get their bill as high as I can, so if they “F” me over and give me 10%, I’ll get more on $100 than I will on $30.
PS I had my first black couple in a long while, bill $196, tip $20, and I gave them a free dessert…pfft
I was just gonna say that they were the first that I can remember in a long while that didn't ask for something for free, but I forgot...tonight was her "birthday"
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Blah, blah, blah. You're all running around in circles of personal experiences. We've all had our bad customers; white, black, red and in the future, green, but the bottomline is how professional you are with the table.
If you can look past the possible stiff your planning on getting and serving the table with minimal complaint, then your professional.
Greet a table with negativity expecting a bad tip, then you have NO chance of getting anything.
The place of where you work will either attract those you like to wait on or attract those you don't like to wait on. I prefer working at places that I enjoy waiting on the people who come in the door. Pleasant, knowledgable and happy to be there. Once in awhile, someone will slip in and be cheap or a jerk, but it happens rarely.
If I worked in a place where constantly I'm waiting on people who are cheap, complainers to get free food, screaming kids running around, teenagers waiting for daddy to pick them up, etc; my bags would be packed and I would be applying for another job.
Suggestion is to eat at the place on a busy night before applying for the job. Look around. See how the place runs, faces on the waiters, and the clintel being served. It's like looking for a house. Your not just buying a house, your buying a neighborhood.
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I don't think that utilizing tips from one table or one night's worth of tables can enable a server to make a generalization. That is what sociology is: generalizations regarding different demographics, and most of the time, they are true. There are exceptions. I will concede that, but they are EXCEPTIONS.
For example, last night two men came into my restaurant and the one that ordered spoke with a very distinctive lisp. I concluded that they were homosexuals and would probably tip better. Indeed they were and they did. Most of the time, generalizations are accurate, otherwise there wouldn't be generalizations.
After enough time, these generalizations are indeed going to bias the attitude of the server. Anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves. |
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In a national restaurant industry magazine several months ago, an article was written asking the question of why "certain minorities" tip less on average than their "non-minority counterparts" for equal levels of service and asking just what can be done about it. The article stated that studies have been done, and unfortunately, whether a person likes it or not, time and time again it has been proven that certain minority groups including African Americans specifically tip statistically significantly less than Caucasions. The major explanation given in this article was two fold: 1. socio-economics played a major factor (although, still, African Americans tip statistically less than Caucasions of the same socioeconomic levels accross the board EXCEPT those of the highest economic classes) and 2. The concensus was that many African Americans are not educated in the ways of tipping and simply do not know better. Reason 1 affects Reason 2 in some, but not all, cases and ways. Meaning, sometimes the reason why people have not been educated in the art of tipping is because they come from lower socioeconomic classes, but that is not always the case or reason.
Moreover, it was stated in the article that in certain areas where there the customer base is of an extreme majority of African Americans, the turnover rate for waitstaff is significantly higher than in restaurants where that is not the case. In some cases, restaurants have to close (specific examples were cited in the article and I remember specifically several restaurants in the Atlanta, GA area) because they can not keep a wait staff employed for any period of time directly because the tip percentages are so low and waiters quit in very short periods of time of employment. In interviews with restaurant managers, managers themselves including African American managers, said specifically that because many African American customers tip far below what is viewed as accepted tip percentages (15% or higher) for service the customer themselves rated as excellent, wait staff turnover was ridiculously high. They said that often they would ask customers how the service was and the customers praised the service and the server, many times saying they would request that server on the next visit because the server took such good care of them, but many times the tip left by those same customers was far below 15%, many times even far below 10%. It was not significantly different for Caucasian servers or African American servers; tip percentages did not vary significantly between the two in any studies.
I also remember seeing once while flipping and stopping on the BET channel a piece on tipping. There was a person interviewing ramdom African Americans on the street and asking what they typically tip for good service in a restaurant. One lady said $5. The interviewer asked what if the check was $100? the lady said still $5. Other answers all ranged in the 2% to 10% range. ONE person interviewed said 15% if the service is very good. An African American restaurant owner was interviewed. He owns a soul food restaurant and said that it is extremely difficult for him to keep a wait staff because many of his customers who are mostly African American simply do not know how to tip properly or just do not. Since waiters are paid $2.13 an hour, he said, they rely on their tips as their living wages. If he were to increase their wage to a regular wage, he'd have to increase his food prices dramatically and he fears that would 1. be displeasing to many of his customers who he wants to keep and make happy with reasonable prices 2. doing so would lower his volume of business significantly.
The article also stated that some corporations, such as Outback specifically, have done studies and spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to figure out why it is that in "certain" areas where there are clientelle of minority backgrounds, the waiters make significantly less in tip percentages than those waiters who work in other restaurants where both wait staffs are giving the exact same levels of service.
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I have been in the restaurant business for 7 years and have worked in many different types of restaurants from ultra casual to fine dining. I have also worked in restaurants where there is a lot more diversity in the clientelle and in restaurants where the patronage happens to be mostly Caucasian. I didn't start out being prejudiced. I didn't even know that it was a "thing" that waiters consider African Americans to be outrageously poor tippers. I didn't even know why in one restaurant the waiters (both white and black) all fought over who was not going to take that black family of 5. But, I also didn't realize that teen-agers don't tip even 5% ninety percent of the time. I didn't know white trash by sight, wheras now I can spot it a mile away as they are parking their car. I didn't know Koreans tip great, Japanse tip 15% and Chinese tip crap on average. Everyone knows old people tip pretty cheap, but I thought that was an old wives' tale and did everything I could to try to prove it wrong, but on the whole I couldn't. If I licked the bottom of an old couple's shoe and knelt by their table anticipating their next wish, I couldn't get more than 12% out of them after their coupon. And after working in a restaurant with a 60% (or higher?) African American clientelle where I was considered one of the top waitresses I found that no matter what I did at least 75% of the time, I got ridiculously low tips from African Americans no matter how great the service I tried to give.. the same as ANY table I wait on. I see any table as potential money and I am going to do all I can to try and get the most I can. I don't care if you are blue, green, black, brown or polka dotted- it means nothing to me. My manager actually took me with him from another restaurant to work there because he liked me and my work so much. In the previous restaurant, I got high secret shopper scores time and time again. Yet, in the second restaurant, my tip averages were like 11% even though I was tripping over my two feet trying to give great service to whatever table sat in my station. Sorry, but that is just my experience. Sure, I get crappy tips from Caucasions sometimes, but those are more in the between 10 to 15% range and much less frequently than I did from African Americans where the bad tips were in the 1% to 7% range and happenned so much more often. I am not prejudiced in any way outside of waitressing; I really do believe all people are equal and it is how you act and treat others that defines who you are. I believe in "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" as what motivates how I treat other people. But, when it comes to waitressing, that is my income (the only way I have to earn a living unless I do something in the adult industry which I wouldn't). And, I have developed prejudices when it comes to tipping, but those come directly from my experiences. Everytime, I hope I am wrong- and sometimes I am wrong in individual circumstances- but usually I am not. I don't go over to a table and do anything to give them a reason to tip me less, why on earth would I do that? I want your money dammit and I am going to do all I can to try and get it.
I now work in a restaurant that is casual upscale where the average check average is $25 pp without liquor (it's byo) and I can say that I have seen about 2 African Americans in the month I've worked there (simply because of the area the restaurant is located). My tip averages are about 18 to 19%. Thus, this is where I will work.
If there were a restaurant that had a clientelle of 100% African Americans and my tip average was the same, I'd work there just the same!
There is one sidenote: sometimes bad things happen in life and it is not ONLY because of the color of your skin. I will never forget once I waited on an African American family of 3 in a steakhouse I worked at (one of my very first jobs early in my career and before I developed ANY waitressing prejedices). They ordered three sirloins well done. They also got 2 appetizers and there was a salad bar so often we gave people a few minutes to eat from the salad bar. A little while after they sat, an elderly Caucasian couple sat next to their table. They ordered two prime ribs medium rare and no appetizer. It was a CRAZY saturday night. The kitchen was backed up to Kingdom Come. Prime rib, you see, takes 2 minutes to get out. It's already cooked, all they do is slice it, plate it and pour au juis on it. Even if you order it well done, they simply dip it in the au jus for 2 minutes and bam, it is well done. So, the cooks do prime ribs first to get them the hell out of the way- ALWAYS. Even if a prime rib ticket comes in 10 minutes after a sirloin, almost always the prime rib will be ready first. So, the couple who sat second who also got no appetizer mind you, got their prime ribs first. The African American family's steaks took a long time, but not an outrageously long time for a busy restaurant. They had their appetizers and salad bar and were now waiting for their food. They see the table next to them get their food first and the look they gave me- like seeeee how second class we are treated, MAN. Lots of head shaking. They called my manager over and demanded to know why a table that came in after them got their meals first. My manager said he would find out and then investigated both table's orders. He returned to the table and tried to explain that prime ribs cooked medium rare take way less time and that the second table didn't have any appetizers, the table gave him attitude and didn't believe it. My manager comped their whole meal simply to appease them (as was often the case with complaints in that restaurant). He told me make sure you are on top of that table, which I was, automatically refilling their drinks more than once before any drinks were down to 1/4 of the glass. I also offered them free desserts, which they declined so I cheerfully told them I'd be happy to wrap desserts up for them to take home. I got and wrapped 3 desserts to go... which really it would be NO skin off my back if they didn't have dessert but I was sincerely just being nice and caring, feeling bad they waited for their steaks a while. They of course left me no tip anyway after getting a $60 meal plus desserts for free. They were pretty nice to me, but not friendly after the manager spoke to them and really gave the vibe that I purposely did something wrong to them. I can assure you that their order went in the computer at the appropriate timing. THe kitchen happened to be backed up to holy hell and tables all over the restaurant were taking a little longer than usual. The cooks couldn't care less what the people at table 53 look like when they have rows of tickets and are sweating bullets. It's not like I go in the kitchen and go, "yo, table 53 is a bunch of blacks... take your time on that one! " But, I KNOW those people felt they didn't get their food because they were black. It was evident in their body language, in the way they spoke to the manager and in the way they walked out the door. Sometimes, things just suck and sometimes you just get bad service or slow service or something gets screwed up BY ACCIDENT (people are humans after all, regardless of what color YOU are) and it is not ALWAYS because you are a different race. Sometimes, yes, I am sure that waiters give less than satisfactory service because they have a preset prejudice in their mind about you, but sometimes, you know, that is just a sucky waiter no matter who they wait on, they just are not a great waiter. I have had my share of bad service or waiters with attitude and I am as pale as the background I am typing on.
I am not diminnishing the fact that prejudices and racism still exist and people experience that, I am just stating that bad things in life are not always because of it even if sometimes things appear that way.
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I realize I mispelled CaucasiAns every time in this post, sorry. |
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Just out of curiosity, scarletfever, what area of the country do you live/work in?
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I live and work in Bergen County, NJ. |
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Excellent post Scarletfever, excellent!
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Scarlettfever, I'm in Passaic County!
For many years, I lived and worked in Bergen County though. In fact, it was at Suburban Diner that I got the $100.00 tip for a coffee regulat to go!
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hmmm... What year is this again? |
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got 18% tonight...
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Try getting a tip from a black person when you deliver a pizza.
I'd say the odds are about 75% you get the old change-less-than-a-buck tip(+$.75 mileage)
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Story about a table that a waitress at my restuarant had yesterday:
It was a party of 6 or 7, I couldn't tell if they were African American or Native American, and neither could she. But in any case, both races have been pegged for being bad tippers. Their bill was around $70, and she had prepared herself for a 10% tip. She gave them her usual good service, she's very personable and friendly and is very good at suggestive selling. So anyway, the man who paid the bill (with a credit card) handed her $8 cash. She thought, Ok that's what I was expecting. She could hear his wife saying, "I don't think that's enough, I'm going to leave more on the credit card. You didn't give her enough." They left, she picked up their credit card slip and their was an extra $10 for a tip. $18 tip on a $70 check? Not bad at all.
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Okay, here's a story to counteract my previous story: I waited on a black couple tonight. They weren't very personable and didn't even acknowledge me when I would go over to the table to ask if everything was okay. Anyway, their check was about $38.48, then gave me $40.00. I was not happy about that.
Then, I had a second black couple. Nice people, young, polite. They tipped about 6%. Uhhh. Frustrating night.
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Same here nuvola09.
Two black couples and one table of four.
First couple 8.00 on 88.00.
Second couple 10.00 on 86.00.
Four top 40.00 on 215.00.
Four top ordered two bottles of wine and tipped good, which averaged out the night, but the two other couples were not up to par. Oh well.
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ok, the posts here are becoming very repetitive. i think we can draw a few simple conclusions from all the recent posts:
1. Socioeconomic class, education level, and geography all play a role in how much people tip.
2. There are areas of the country where certain minorities (blacks, rednecks, old people) tip, on average, much less than white people.
3. There are exceptions to these generalizations. There will always be that black couple that leaves $20 on $60, and the white family of 4 who leaves $10 on $100. We know that there are exceptions, we don't need to share each exception try to prove a point. Exceptions disprove rules, they don't disprove generalizations or trends.
Now that we have those three things straight, we can stop posting things that relate to those three points and move to more meaningful discussions related to the topic of tipping. |
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Who made you moderator?
The thread is “Blacks and Tipping” if you don’t like it make your own message board or don’t open this thread. That’s what’s great about this country and freedom of speech.
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Have you all noticed a difference if the couple is not the same “color” like a black male with a white female or a white male with a brown female or a green male with a purple female?…lol…I have. I noticed that a mix couple tips more, maybe this is just my experience.
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great post avalanche. has s/he made any noteworthy comments? maybe i totally missed them?
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Who the hell do you think you are, ricmcg? I think you're getting out of hand with your posts.
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nuvola09
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And yes, Av, I have never gotten a bad tip from a multi-racial couple. If they are both black, both white, both Asian, both Indian...yes. But not when they are different races. Good point.
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ricmcg
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ok, i don't know how my post was interpreted as something that warrants the responses you gave me.
avalanche: i wasn't trying to "moderate" anybody. i was simply taking the information from a lot of the recent posts and grouping them together. if you look back through, those three things i mentioned are a common theme. if it's that big of a deal, just keep posting the same kind of stuff. second, i didn't mention anything about not liking the thread or topics. third, i was certainly not trying to take away anybody's freedom of speech. that comment literally made me laugh out loud.
amanda25: first off, the post you just made was the first one you've made in this thread. so before you accuse me of not making any "noteworthy" posts, perhaps you should make some yourself. you should also look back through the entire thread to see that i made several posts, be them noteworthy or not, in early march. i was out of the country for a month and just returned, so that's the reason for my lack of "noteworthiness" lately.
nuvola09: i'm not sure what you mean by "you're getting out of hand with your posts". i mean, i know what the sentence itself means, but i'm not sure how it applies to my last post. i don't see how it could be viewed as "out of hand". also, i didn't claim to be or think i was anybody. i'll tell you about myself if you'd like to ask me any questions. but don't assume that i'm trying to be someone i'm not.
lastly, i was simply making observations, as everyone here does, about previous postings. they seemed, to me, to be repetetive. if everyone else enjoys reading the "well i had a black couple that tipped well, so blacks don't tip poorly" stories, then by all means, keep posting them. i was just trying to move the discussion to a more involved level. apparently that might have been too presumptuous of me. |
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a little hostile, eh?
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avalanche
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Sorry, I didn’t mean to step on your church dress.
I was just giving an asinine response to an asinine post.
Av
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nuvola09
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It's not anyone's responsibility to say, "Now that we have those three things straight, we can stop posting things that relate to those three points and move to more meaningful discussions related to the topic of tipping." I think that is very presumptuous of you. If you don't like the thread, ignore it and read something else. Many times I find a thread that I don't care to contribute towards, so I don't. It's very simple. Personally, I find it interesting when someone has a story from a different part of the country than I am in. I'm moving to Cali soon. Avalanche, Vozveratu, GoldenFoxx and others live there. I like to hear about it so I know what to expect or I can get an idea of how different it is from where I am now. Don't try to take responsibility to "move along" a discussion that you don't care for. When no one has anything to say anymore, the thread will die out itself. It doesn't need help from anyone.
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ricmcg
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amanda25: yes it bothers me slightly when people make unfounded, empty criticisms.
avalanche: who the hell are you calling asinine? my post was based on information in the thread. your assumptions that i was trying to moderate the board and that i didn't like the thread were asinine.
nuvola09: as i said in my last response to avalanche, i never mentioned anything about not liking the topic or the thread. this is a perfect example of the repetitive posting i was talking about! avalanche blindly accused me of not liking the post, i responded by saying that wasn't the case, then you blindly accuse me of the same thing. this is exactly what i was talking about with the other posts.
if it's that big of a deal, forget it. everyone just keep posting the same stories in different words. it's not gonna kill me to read them. i just thought i would save people the time and effort of reading the same "exception to the rule" from 4 different people in 4 different circumstances. |
nuvola09
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You don't find it interesting? I've never lived in your area; you've never lived in mine. This is a board to talk about tipping. Why shouldn't we share observations? It's not the same each time it happens, because it is under different circumstance and the stories come from different people around the country. If I say something like, "Remember that post I made last week about the black couple stiffing me? Well, they came in again last night and did it again! UH!!" That would be stupid, that would be repetitive.
Avalanche called you asinine because it is asinine to try to tell people "Stop posting on this thread." And I don't believe you when you deny that you don't like the thread/post. Why else would you try to control it and make it go away? It doesn't make sense.
I'm done.
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ricmcg
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Well i'm glad you're done, but you're still misinterpreting what i said. Nowhere did i say "stop posting on this thread." i was simply trying to make an observation that many of the posts said the same things in different words. Also, I still did not say that I didn't like the thread, or that I was trying to make it go away. I was simply trying to facilitate a slightly different sub-topic related to this thread. It was not meant to be this difficult. |
ricmcg
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To revive this thread a little bit, I thought of a little side topic. Does anybody have any thoughts or explanations for why black people tend to prefer certain foods a lot more than white people? For instance: buffalo wings, lemonade, shrimp, well done steaks, hennessey, etc. I've just always found that interesting. |
scarlett
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Or why do Jewish people always specify that they want their bacon well done?
(It's okay folks, my hubby's Jewish, so I'm Jewish by injection!)
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amanda25
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if you don't really like this forum so much, why are you still reading? (jerk!)
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amanda25
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sorry, i didn't specify. (ricmcg)
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vozveratu
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I'm moving to Cali soon. Avalanche, Vozveratu, GoldenFoxx and others live there. I
Wrong sucka! I'm over on the East Side *holds up an E symbol on his hand*
Actually, North Carolina, to be exact.
But thanks for including me in a range of respectable citizens on the board...8)
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i thought the whole point of this was so we could share experiences. SO sorry if it redundant for you...but sometimes we just want to share something that has happened to us to illustrate what the thread is about. re:ricmcg
i didnt know i had to be a poet laureate to post
this job would be alright if it werent for the f*kng customers
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"Tips make up a major portion of a waiter's living wage. Many restaurants in the U.S. don't even give waiters minimum wage. So, if the service is really lousy, ask to speak with the manager to voice your concerns. Don't exit without leaving a tip. Many times the restaurant is willing to correct the problem or offer you a discount. Restaurants want your repeat business"
this is from tip20.com that had an article from a magazine geared towards african americans about tipping and how to avoid being stereotyped. but i notice that is says that most rests dont even give a waiter min wage. so they are clearly under the impression that part of a waiters income is a paycheck. a waiters income is not the paycheck! its the tip! my point being, that even in the article on avoiding being stereotyped they are sort of illustrating what we are all talking about: they think they dont really have to tip us bc we have a check to back us up. dont blast me on this. just read it and tell me what you guys think.
this job would be alright if it werent for the f*kng customers
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vozveratu
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So, if the service is really lousy, ask to speak with the manager to voice your concerns.
See, my problem with complaining to the manager is getting the waiter in trouble. Who knows the reason why the waiter is having problems. I think you can state things that make it either:
A - Noticing that the food quality is poor
B - Noticing the restaurant is short-staffed
C - Noticing the long wait of food/drink
These would be restaurant issues the manager has to work on.
D - Waiter is rude
This I would complain to the manager about.
E - Waiter was in the weeds
This I would not complain, just basic tip of 15%.
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nuvola09
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Voz, the problem with E is that most people, like Lords for example, have no idea what being "in the weeds" is like and are not able to recognize it. It would be ideal if guests could see it and be understanding of it. But the sad truth is that people identify a bad restaurant experience with the waiter. We're the only face they ever see. Even if we tell them, "The chef made a mistake on your food," they see us and therefore blame us. Just one of the many hazards of working as a server....
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vozveratu
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Even if we tell them, "The chef made a mistake on your food," they see us and therefore blame us. Just one of the many hazards of working as a server....
I have to admit, your are true in this fact. My post was more directed toward those who understand the situation, ie other servers. Lords, m_shaw, homeyland will never attempt to understand the server's situation and treat it almost like a chance for free service.
"Look, look honey, she didn't bring our tartar sauce, we don't have to tip now! Woohoo!"
Homeyland and m_shaw won't tip because they don't have to. I bet they run out of the restaurant after paying the bill.
I wonder if they go back to the restaurant on a regular basis? Hmmmm.... |
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Okay, just a few observations. I have delivered pizza and or served at restaurants for the last 10 years of my life, and I have experienced everything that I have read about on the site. In the pizza business, the racial divide is much worse than in restaurants, so servers should count themselves lucky. I have kept track of addresses, race, and tip on all of my deliveries for the last six months, and the average tip from a white person is $2.79. while it is $.68 from a black person. It is important to understand that this does not mean that black people do not tip, it just means that MOST do not. There are a few very nice black people in the neighborhood, and they don't deserve to be brought down when they show the proper respect. This brings me to my next point. Is anyone else finding it odd that people seem to remember so clearly the times when they received good tips from black people? I have found in my life that these memories are most notably associated with events that are out of the ordinary. I certainly could not tell you the details of a three dollar tip that I got from a white person on a pizza delivery, but I can give you the address of the three dollar tipper that is black.
Also, for the spin doctors that will say that my writing down of tips doesn't take into account economic factors, it actually does. The reason for writing the addresses is to account for different economic areas, although in the lower class areas, a white person on the same street will still tip over $2 more.
As far as servers or delivery guys being accused of being racists, that is incredibly silly. If your mailman said hello to you every day, wuld it be wrong of you to expect him to say hello? No, its realism, not some sort of preconceived notion. If I have spent five years getting tips from 25% of my black deliveries, it is only realistic that I would expect stiffs most of the time.
Finally, I have a question to pose to all servers of all races. If you had the opportunity to serve or deliver pizza, or tend bar, or whatever, to a clientele that was only white, would you prefer it to a clientele that was only black? It doesn't necessarily need to be answered on the board, although feel free to respond... just think about it for a moment. For your economic wellbeing as well as your mental wellbeing, which situation would be better? Pretty scary huh?
Feel free to tear me apart, I love a good argument, especially one where there is no logical response to my point.
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pizzaman11
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By the way, my experience comes from many different areas of Cleveland and Toledo OH. |
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Finally, I have a question to pose to all servers of all races. If you had the opportunity to serve or deliver pizza, or tend bar, or whatever, to a clientele that was only white, would you prefer it to a clientele that was only black?
Tell the truth, on my side of the situation, it's not so much as the skin that makes me nervous, it's the 'type' of person I'm waiting on.
Hillbilly rednecks would make me nervous.
It's the difference between the server and the customer that can make it uncomfortable. If the customer is so different in attitude, culture, actions, and appearance, from the server, there is a larger gap of possible misunderstanding.
That's my take on it.
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vozveratu
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Now on a money note, if money was my only concern, the white public would be my desire to wait on in a well established neighborhood of expensive cost to shop in, but close to an area that is cheap to live in.
Peace
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vozveratu
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Yet another example.
Check 167.00
Tip 12.00
Woohoo, barely enough to tip out with.
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I used to deliver pizzas. I worked a lot of hours and therefor had plenty of opportunity to get a feel for how everyone tips. Low education and black people tip by far the worst. I never ONCE got a tip from a black person. However, only maybe 1 in 15 white people didn't tip me. |
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I think it's hilarious that this thread is still ALIVE AND KICKING. I give up on you people. Crappy service will net you a crappy tip. I don't care if it feeds back into your sick little racist ideas about "blacks don't tip well". It's never the server, always the scapegoat. Maybe that's why you pathetic losers are in minimum wage jobs, oops, not even minimum wage.
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Kind of reflects what's going on here. Can't even get decent tips so blame the blacks, not your own racist attitudes that are apparent in your dealings with minority customers:
These racist poster are nobodies, the only way they matter or get noticed is by
shouting out some racist crap. They claim to hate blacks but can't ignore them,
(blacks are all up inside their heads) They are preoccupied with blacks. What
blacks are doing, who they're sleeping with. Well it's a giveaway, an
indication of what they really are: sorry asses. Just like in the old south, the ignorant low class whites only had the illusion of their whiteness to fall back on. The logic was well, at least you're better than a (n word). Yeah right, only in your head so the joke was actually on them. Even the slave was worth more than those low lives, at least the slave could be protected because he was an investment. And the southern aristocracy looked down on them (poor whites) but hookwinked them into fighting their war. Well present day, same thing.
These sorry asses, even with a world of white privilege can't make it
& they are meaningless bores, below the radar unless they shout out
their hate. Just rest assure it's proof positive of how low the feel they are. Either they aren't successful, can't get laid or any number of reasons. Their fellow whites along with asian, blacks & hispanices are running circles around them in terms of life & success (however one defines it).
Notice how the only thing they can see is black crime, etc., mainly 'cause they
can't admit the idea of successful blacks. See it's an on going argument they
have with themselves, preoccupied with & highlighting black degradation (while
ignoring whites). Peep this one minute they're claiming blacks are taking all
the jobs, next sentence they're saying black don't want to work, looking for
handouts...pathological schizo-crap man! In their messed up imagination 12% of
the population (blacks) is at the same time, taking all the jobs,
filling up the welfare roles, committing all the crimes, well damn they must be a superior group to be doing all that. They can't even see the contradiction of their own crap! When they tell you the wish blacks would go away, don't believe them, they need blacks. They can only define themselves in opposition to something. Without blacks they are not white, which means that they are nobodies. Well there for our amusement.
Man, the constant pressure to keep up the illusion of white supremacy (if you really need it) has taken a toll on whites as the world closes in and the illusion is being crushed by the weight of it's contridiction. Whites (being the only ones who believe in it) are exhausted at having to keep the
illusion alive...and are starting to come apart at the seems and have
turned into red-face angry, hair-triggered, insomniatic, easily
frightned people with warped personalities & logic. Keeping up the lie
ha taken it's toll. And the displaced anger is amazing... the inability to focus blame on the real source stems from the fact that if they did they'd have to admit how complicit they have been in their own demise (or the entire country's demise) not being able to admit being hoodwinked they're constantly on the attack. Like Huck Finn's sorry ass dad battle cry, not how sorry he was but: the niggaz & the gov'ment.
Yeah, keep on blaming blacks, immigrants, gays, etc. while your greazy, backwards ass tent-revival, leaders posing as politicians smile in your face and take you to the cleaners. Because they're too stupid to realize, don't think you can handle it or afraid to tell you that a new economy has emerged & your ass will have to compete in an open world. You won't be protected by a corporation, union, public service job or job for life.
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That was the most ridiculous post I have ever read.
It beat out homeland and lords_of_acid by leaps and bounds, congratulations. |
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Yeah, I suspect that it's "ridiculous" because it applies. Nervous laughter. Tips should be accepted and not expected as your homepage states. Furthermore, if you go in with negative attitudes towards blacks, guess what, you ain't gettin' a grand tip. La La. Get over yourselves. When you come to my table, you work for ME. Now HOP TO IT and if you bring me everything I need and am courteous and helpful in the process, I will compensate you royally. Otherwise, expect jack squat. |
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Ummm.. washu, why don't you go to craigslist.com and go to rant and raves. There's all sorts of racists like you on there crying and whining everyday how the 'fill in the blank with the opposing race of the poster' is racist and keeping them down, blah, blah, blah.
I'm just saying, you sound retarded on here because we're not arguing the same stuff you are. You want to have a big race conversation, go to it. But I bet you'll be having it by yourself. Unless you serve, you wouldn't and don't know what you're talking about. You don't know the averages from tipping and race like we do. So again, you sound ridiculous here.
Okay, you are dismissed.
"and yeah...why don't you go ahead and come in on Sunday, too...get a jump on the week, k?"
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You see, what most people like you fail to realize is that the easiest way to get good service at a restaurant is to be good to your server. It really is that simple. Any server will tell you that. With that in mind, telling me that I work for you (which is false) and ordering me to "HOP TO IT" are two gigantic red flags to servers. It's a two-way street, and as long as people like you refuse to accept that truth, there will always be this vicious cycle of "that table is rude = possible less than stellar server = upset guest = poor tip = that table is rude" (from the server's perspective) ... or, (from the guest's perspective) "I wasn't brought everything I need (as you put it) = poor service = poor tip = unhappy server = possibly not being brought everything you need yet again".
Honestly, if everyone (guests and servers alike) just relaxed a little bit it would all go a lot smoother and you just might enjoy yourself. After all, it's just dinner, not a NASA rocket launch. |
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
That was hilarious.
Dude, let me put it like this. I will video tape myself serving and challenge you to find the difference between serving two different tables. I try very hard to give consistent good service (because that is what my income is based on) and if im doing something that i shouldnt be, i would most certainly like to change it...I think any server would.
But when it gets right down to it...black people who tip poorly are the causes of any ill feelings. Just like white trash. As a server you experience these lessons and adjust your mentality accordingly. When I was originally trained we didnt have a training day title "African Americans and why they are not going to tip you." We pretty much learned that on the job. I have had great tips from African American guests. But when i moved from fine dining to chain restaurant, I was agian instituted into the poor social class method of tipping. Still, i think marines as a group are by far the worst tippers of anyone, but thats just my experience...probably because im a guy. Question...since I think marines are the worst tippers...does that make me anti-military? Of course not. |
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Just as a side note to everyone else...
Do you ever wonder if some poster like washu2002 is actually some retarded white supremist that just post BS like the above message to give credence to a ridiculous ideology. I can just picture some shaven head 16 year old out there saying "yeah this will make them see my point of view about black people"
I mean seriously, rational people dont really think this way, do they???? |
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goldenfoxx, that is soo funny! I almost hope it's some pimply faced neo-nazi beginner....almost preferable to someone actually thinking we collectively serve poorly to one minority....
Like we're teenage girls calling each other before school...
"Goldenfoxx" - hello?
"iloveny" - hey Golden, we're discriminating against East Indians today.
"Goldenfoxx" - East Indians? Okay, great, got it, thanks ny.
"iloveny" - no problem. Remember, Friday is casual discrimination day, so feel free to wear jeans and be a racist...
"and yeah...why don't you go ahead and come in on Sunday, too...get a jump on the week, k?"
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How dare you racists call ME racist. That has to be the absolute HEIGHT of irony. WAA WAA BLACKS DON'T TIP WAA WAA SO I GUESS I'LL TRY TO PAWN THEM OFF TO ON MY COWORKERS. Yeah, and then you try to convince us that you treat us "Canadians" the same way you treat your white customers.
Blacks not tipping is an artifact of your awful prejudiced attitudes. And YES, you are a SERVER, you WORK for me when you are at my table and you are EARNING your tip. So you better indeed HOP TO IT if you want a decent tip. It's not a hard job, take orders and bring the food and provide a smooth experience with a smile on your face and a helpful demeaner. Your white supremist attitudes will get you nowhere while serving black customers. |
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Ummm...did you read my post???? |
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um that was directed at washu2002...sorry iloveny |
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"How dare you racists call ME racist. That has to be the..the..waah...waah.sniff...sniff.waaah..WWAAAAAHHH"
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iloveny, "you are dismissed" haha, you're the one who sounds retarded. Please know your place. When I come into your restaurant you are my server. That half hour's wage depends on me and for that period of time I am your economic superior.
The only reason why these "statistics" that you seem to have conducted hours of extensive field research gathering are only set in stone because of your prejudiced attitude. You happen to know for a "fact" that blacks don't tip no matter what? I happen to know for a fact that waiters/waitresses like you who hold these sorts of opinions earn less from black customers. Wow, what a revelation.
Please, remember to smile and be acquiescent and get my order right and if it isn't apologize and compensate. Don't get too uppity, obey orders and provide for a smooth experience. You WILL be compensated accordingly. |
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Washu2002...have you considered that maybe the reason you think you get bad service is because you have a condesending attitude and think the server is some kind of slave??? I gotta tell you, slavery ended about 100 years ago...
Oh and if your gonna compare your experience to mine...ive served 8 years full time....thats about 30 hours a week. That gives me about 12K+ hours of experience. Not research. I think that might qualify to some as "somewhat qualified to give an opinion" . How many hours have you racked up in a restaurant? Hmmm probably not near enough.
by the way...you do realize that trying to support some argument and sounding like a moron actually hurts the cause you are trying to support...correct??? Thats why I had visions of you being some neo-nazi kid. Cause then the lack of coherence in your posts would make sense. |
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"do you realize that trying to support some argument and sounding like a moron actually hurts the cause you are trying to support." LOL. Brilliant. |
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Thank you....I seem to have managed to be coherent so far. I understand what your feeling...but I think you are either misguided or you are not the person you claim to be. |
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"I gotta tell you, slavery ended about 100 years ago..."
BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
"do you realize that trying to support some argument and sounding like a moron actually hurts the cause you are trying to support." LOL. Brilliant.
Umm...you DO realize that you now sound like more of an idiot than you did a few posts ago, right? No, seriously, you do...right?
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I don't know what to tell you people. This entire conversation became pointless around 75 to 80 posts ago. It became an orgy of "darkies don't tip" stories which become self-fulfilling prophecies. All I can tell you is that if you want decent tips, you should actually serve your customers properly. That is the only reason black people aren't paying you what you think you deserve. It's not as though we hold secret meetings where we all agree to tip poorly. You people need to reflect on any racist attitudes you may have and you will begin to see your take-home increase by leaps and bounds. |
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Washu, I've never had any problem with the tips left me by my Afro-American tables. In fact, at my previous place of employment, I found that I usually got better tips from my Black patrons. They were more likely to leave tips of 20% or more.
I've said in other threads that it's a question of socio-economic class; ie those in the lower classes don't know tipping etiquette regardless of race.
When I work, I am a servant; when you are in my station I am your servant, but I am not and will not be anyone's slave. I'm not a rabbit; I do not "HOP TO IT" for anyone.
I'm sure that you've had a server with an attitude from time to time, because I've seen it. But not all of us honkies is dying to git back to the trailer ta wash them sheets fer the next Klan Meetin'. Some of us are professionals who only see one color; GREEN.
I might be wrong, but I wonder if maybe your past experiences haven't caused you to take a bit of attitude yourself?
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Just as an end to this thread, washu, here's a little TIP for you. Try not to make assumptions on topics you have no information about. When I go out to eat I don't treat the server of any color like an animal that does tricks. I don't hold myself in some imaginary place of power because of the system of tipping our society has deemed acceptable. I don't look at everyone of an opposite color of me as a racist that doesn't want to help me. I am intelligent enough to know that some stereotypes start with a simple average. I know what I see and experience and that's in line with the average posting in this thread.
Now, guess what color I am, not that it should make a difference. Yeah, I'll give you some subtle hints. What would be really, really ironic considering our posts here in this thread? What could maybe lend sense to my calling you a racist? What really shouldn't matter because I know what I see at my place of work and know what my fellow servers, black, white, yellow, brown red and purple experience at work? Ok, enough hinting. And this time, I seriously am done with you, no more posts from me in this thread, I'll just leave you thinking about things and looking stupid.
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hey washu do you actually think all these people are racist. Every one of these server/bartenders got there first resteraunt job and said I'm going to be the best server ever. I'm sure for most of us when we were new we didn't care who we were serving as long as we were doing a good job and was being tipped properly. Serving is a career not a hobby. there are a lot of people out there who consistantly do a great job regardless of who their waiting on, and it sucks to say this but also it's been confirmed by all these other server/bartenders that out of the majority of black tables you would get in a night more than less would be 10% tippers or worse. Sure I've had my share of awesome tippers and I make sure I tell them to ask for me the next time they come in so they know they'll get great service and I'll profit from it. Be it black or white the next time they come in and I recognise them if I know they tip bad I'll try to pawn them off on somebody else, It's about the money to me not the color! |
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Okay, iloveny, the only real information you have about this Perceived phenomenon is your own. You urge me not to see white(?) waitresses as racist but then in the same breath you talk about "averages". Again, these "averages" you insist on believing in are only true because of the horrible racist mindset you have that desires to think in racial "averages". I think it's pretty silly to think blacks aren't tipping you enough because we're black. Yes, darling, at the last meeting we all decided to withold that extra one or two dollars from you because of our pure malice and hatred of the service staff. And then what would be the point of holding this belief, so that you can justify your substandard service to blacks?
Again, I really don't know what to tell you people. Excellent service is compensated. Disinterested, messy, unduly slow and unattentive service isn't. All of you who sweep tip discrepencies under the rug of your blind white supremacist beliefs (which you can hold no matter what color you are) need to do some real soul-searching. |
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Last night, had a couple who came in. Normal service as with EVERYONE I serve and got:
Drum role please
Check 147.00
Tip 30.00
Woohoo! Go Black people!
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iloveny
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Washu, you're a total jackarse. If the only info I had about this was my own, then how the hell did this thread get made you idiot? No, it's 99% of the servers I have ever talked to and worked with and on this board, you moron, or can you not read. The majority of my black customers (in a regular chain, not high end fine dining) tip under the accepted social standard. Go to other websites like bitter and you'll see that black people get tipped like crap from the majority of black people regardless of the service. Black servers at my restaurant fight to not take black tables, and no, they aren't racist against themselves. They see what happens all the time. Also on bitter, an HONEST black person will tell you that yeah, the lower to mid class blacks she knows just were never taught to tip. Maybe you and I were, Voz, but not everyone was. But really, as an adult, people need to educate themselves on how to live in a civilized society. It's not color as much as it is mindset and class level, but since I live in NY and not the south I don't get white hillbillies as much (some trailer trash where I am) or it would be the other way around.
Either you're stupid or really, really oversensitive to race issues. We are telling you, on this site, on every tipping site from every server site, the same thing we see everyday. No, we don't drop service, dope, because we depend on tips. We (the ones who care about their money) treat all tables like they are gonna tip a lot because you never know who will. So, no I don't throw in the towel when I see my table. I just do a great job and hope for the best. I get suprised, of course. One of my best tippers are black. Yet still, the majority under tips and runs the server into the ground.
You wanna get passionate about it? Go to some of our communities and educate people. Go out to lunch with your friends and actually speak up like I do when they undertip. Don't make up imaginary reasons in your head (yeah, she greeted the white table first, she's racist) or (they treated us different because she's a black girl with white supremacist beliefs). Just f*&ken tip like someone who has some class and good upbringing. Do you know what your parents look like when you tip like crap? No, really, I would never do that to the image of my parents. I was brought up to be a civilized human being. Sorry if you weren't, or you were brought up to feel entitled to stuff cause you're skin is a darker color. Whatever. Oh, and don't call me your 'sibling'.
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"All I can tell you is that if you want decent tips, you should actually serve your customers properly. That is the only reason black people aren't paying you what you think you deserve"
No more trying to be civil. Washu, that is complete bullshit. Example: My mom came in, bringing 6 of her co-workers to eat and be waited on by her son. The one black woman in the group was seated right next to my mom. When it came time to pay the bill, she said to my mother, "So what do we tip, 10%?" My mom replied, "Well, normally we tip 20% but this WAS MY SON after all and he helped us out with about $40 off the bill." The black woman nodded accordingly and handed my mom $3 for her $32 portion of the bill.
Stereotypes came from somewhere. Generalizations exist for a reason, because generally, they're true. You will always have exceptions, but for stereotypes to survive the long run, they must be true a majority of the time. So instead of bitching to us, why not go educate your race on what's proper and what's not and maybe you'll help diminish the stereotype. |
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So instead of bitching to us, why not go educate your race on what's proper and what's not and maybe you'll help diminish the stereotype.
So true, so very true.
Lets pretend in a different world, blacks normally tipped 20% and very rarely tipped lower than 15%, no matter the service. People would run to those tables. It's just a matter of standard conditioning. Types of people tip consistant with the same types (old ladies, jews, europeans, foreign, blacks, white, hillbillies, families, business men, business women, smokers, strippers, gays, kids, blah, blah, blah)
Conditioning is normal as the tips from certain group types are normally tipping; low, medium, or high. You get used to it as you serve tables and continue to do the job knowing that it all averages out.
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iloveny, I started this thread to point out that whites will undertip you with the same frequency as blacks. Only black undertipping is focused on, a psychological release and mind-game for oh-so-maligned wait staff to mentally masturbate to and a reason to psych themselves into thinking they're all really providing such excellent service. "And this time, I seriously am done with you, no more posts from me in this thread, I'll just leave you thinking about things and looking stupid." This must have gotten under your skin. This is 2005 and black people don't need to be "taught" anything about tipping. If you're so adamant about this issue, why don't you openly tell your black customers your "facts" and complain about their "tipping styles" up-front. I'd really like to know what happens to you then. |
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"And this time, I seriously am done with you, no more posts from me in this thread, I'll just leave you thinking about things and looking stupid."
Yeah, you're right. You're like a car accident. I don't want to look, but I can't help myself.
Anyway, it's 2005 and black people STILL need to be taught about tipping. You must be very slow, indeed. How can you not actually read these posts? Really. Whites do not undertip with the same frequencey. They don't to me or anyone I actually know. And since I'm black, I would kind of think there would be a better chance of that happening. But no, my fellow 'siblings' tip far below average as a majority. I know when I provide excellent service and when I don't. So I'll be the judge on that, okay? I'm more than capable of admitting to when I've made a mistake that cost me a tip. It's a different issue. I work with blacks, whites, latinos and asians. We all have about the same average with black folks. Sorry if you have such a difficult time accepting this. I don't. I can see it with my own two eyes and I have friends that are honest and tell me that they were never really taught it. When I go out with my friends and they undertip I call them on it (obviously, if the service sucked, so does the tip). I won't be part of such classlessness. If you're comfortable that way then great...I'm actually a decent person. I don't go out thinking people are gonna jump through hoops for my big 10%, like a lot of blacks do. I have friends and family that have been this way as well. It's unacceptable and I call them out in front of the server and table each time I see it. I'm not going to dine with animals, like the way you present yourself here while dining out. Sorry your parents didn't teach you any better, but don't try taking it out on us. You won't win.
"If you're so adamant about this issue, why don't you openly tell your black customers your "facts" and complain about their "tipping styles" up-front. I'd really like to know what happens to you then."
What happens to me? What, am I gonna get my arse kicked? What the hell are you trying to imply about black people? That we can't be educated? That we resort to violence or something? Screw you, buddy. I'm not that way and wasn't brought up in a ghetto, so keep it to yourself. I wouldn't comment on my guests tipping habits to them because it's rude and unprofessional. They know they're cheap and sad. They look cheap and sad. We've gotten used to it. Why can't you?
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washu2002, your blinded by dreams and hopes that we are wrong and that it's the service we give that define how much we make.
It's already been trolled that some people don't tip because they think carrying a plate to the table does not warrent a 'gift'. Some call it gifts in hopes to drill the fact that this is the way of life we chose. Some post that one little mistake and your tip is going to drop by .25. Blah blah blah.
Just as there are different people, there are people who just don't tip, no matter what you tell them. They get the same level of service, not because we want to get a tip, but because it's expected of us by our management. We don't follow that level of service, we are fired.
Tips are just a way for the customer to reward the server for a job well done and most people tip because it's been imbedded in our society as a job that we like to do.
I don't just focus on blacks as being cheap. There are many social classes that don't tip, as well as foreign people who don't tip. It's expected and common, but I still trudge on through knowing that for every table I get that tips 10% or lower, I have 5 tables that tip 20% or higher. So it balances out in my favor.
Should I be estatic to see a family of 5 blacks sitting at my table with gold chains hanging off their neck and looking around with an attitude and their eyes getting wide when they see the filet is 34.00? No. But my job is to give the best level of service I can give.
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"Stereotypes came from somewhere".
Yes they do. They come from misperceptions, biases, fear and anecdotal evidence.
Just yesterday at lunch, my black tables (3) left me a better percentage than *any* of my white tables (7). I guess that balances out *your* anecdote, right?
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On a final note, it's not so much about the tip in my restaurant. Most people do tip 15-20%, whether they are white, black, or green.
The difference in my restaurant is what they purchase. 15% of crap is still crap. Here's an example of two different tables
4 Blacks
-3 Mixed juice drinks
-1 Coke
-2 Chicken Entrees
-2 Filet (well done)
Total Bill 124.00
Possible tip at best 24.00
Most likely tip - 16.00 (to round up and make even)
4 others
2- Martinis
2- Gls white wine
2- Btls of red wine with dinner
4- Appetizers
4- Entrees
2- Desserts
4- Coffees
2- After dinner drinks
Total bill 427.00
Most likely tip, unless foreign - 80.00
Possible tip, unless foreign - 60.00
So which table do I want to wait on?
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I love how you have to reinscribe your fears of repurcution back into your white supremist stereotypes of blacks (yes, internalized racism does exist honey). You will either be fired by a manager that doesn't want to be sued or your ass will be sued personally. End of story. |
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Can't be sued for bad service, you can only be fired. Refusal of service will allow anyone to sue, and sue they will. Easy money for anyone who doesn't want to work for it.
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"I love how you have to reinscribe your fears of repurcution back into your white supremist stereotypes of blacks (yes, internalized racism does exist honey). You will either be fired by a manager that doesn't want to be sued or your ass will be sued personally. End of story."
Don't lobby vague insults about my race, then. If you have something intelligent to say other than the incredibly non-intelligent "everybody that thinks the majority of black people tip poorly sucks at thier job and is a racist, no matter what color they are" then please don't beat around the bush. So far, you haven't said one intelligent thing.
Racism exists in your posts, sweetie pie honey bunch lover bunny (and whatever pleasant little names you want to throw my way..) and that's about it. I know what the truth is. My parents told me about people like you. Crying racism, discrimination and prejuidice at the drop of a hat no matter what. You refuse to listen to facts as they've been told to you from the experts in this field. So, go ahead, keep hating. Hope our white friends don't 'keep you down' too much at Applebee's or whatever. You just keep telling whitey to 'hop to it' and hold up your crisp new dollar and pretend you have any authority over servers while we laugh at you at the servers station and in the kitchen. You are so, so sad. Plus you're an idiot, I'm not going to get sued and neither is my manager for telling people they should tip. Fired for being a moron, yeah, but not sued. Refusal of service is actually allowed legally in most places as long as its not about race or gender or whatnot. If someone is a known non-tipper or pain in the arse or abusive or whatever, management has the right to refuse service. I've seen it done before with no repurcussions.
Teleburst, by the way, I love all your posts but don't get this one. Are you telling every server on here we're wrong about our personal experiences because you are the exception? At least, from this thread and others and what I live and know you are. Not being rude, just asking.
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"I love how you have to reinscribe your fears of repurcution back into your white supremist stereotypes of blacks (yes, internalized racism does exist honey). You will either be fired by a manager that doesn't want to be sued or your ass will be sued personally. End of story."
Don't lobby vague insults about my race, then. If you have something intelligent to say other than the incredibly non-intelligent "everybody that thinks the majority of black people tip poorly sucks at thier job and is a racist, no matter what color they are" then please don't beat around the bush. So far, you haven't said one intelligent thing.
Racism exists in your posts, sweetie pie honey bunch lover bunny (and whatever pleasant little names you want to throw my way..) and that's about it. I know what the truth is. My parents told me about people like you. Crying racism, discrimination and prejuidice at the drop of a hat no matter what. You refuse to listen to facts as they've been told to you from the experts in this field. So, go ahead, keep hating. Hope our white friends don't 'keep you down' too much at Applebee's or whatever. You just keep telling whitey to 'hop to it' and hold up your crisp new dollar and pretend you have any authority over servers while we laugh at you at the servers station and in the kitchen. You are so, so sad. Plus you're an idiot, I'm not going to get sued and neither is my manager for telling people they should tip. Fired for being a moron, yeah, but not sued. Refusal of service is actually allowed legally in most places as long as its not about race or gender or whatnot. If someone is a known non-tipper or pain in the arse or abusive or whatever, management has the right to refuse service. I've seen it done before with no repurcussions.
Teleburst, by the way, I love all your posts but don't get this one. Are you telling every server on here we're wrong about our personal experiences because you are the exception? At least, from this thread and others and what I live and know you are. Not being rude, just asking.
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"Teleburst, by the way, I love all your posts but don't get this one. Are you telling every server on here we're wrong about our personal experiences because you are the exception? At least, from this thread and others and what I live and know you are. Not being rude, just asking".
No, I'm just trying to make a point, a point that I've made countless times. It isn't a universal truth no matter how many anecdotes get trotted out (including my own) and I also suspect that it's a bit of a "self-fulfilling prophesy" as well (no matter WHAT the color of the server, BTW.)
Also, I don't take a lot of stock in the "I give the same level of service to each type of table" argument either. The one person who ISN'T qualified to make that judgment is the person talking about themselves. It's difficult to make that evaluation when it's you that's doing the evaluation on yourself (you being the universal you in this case). The only proof that counts is the percentage of the tip...and even THAT isn't definitive. |
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I believe many racial stereotypes come from servers who work in lower-level establishments in certain areas of the country. Chain/low-end restaurant workers make up a huge portion of the the server population. I never got a bad tip from a "black" table until I worked at Applebee's. Before that, I was working at local mom 'n' pop joints that were semi-casual and reletively classy places. I would also make way more money over at those places for a lot less work.
You can make all the generalizations you want, but a lot of it is dependant on where you are and what type of place you are at. Plus, I think washu2002 is indeed "crying" racism. Don't blame servers as a whole for supposedly not treating you correctly. Once again, you need to consider what types of places you are frequenting. Also consider your own manners and the way you treat the server. If you are pissed off from the get-go about this whole race thing, sounds like you're not giving them the respect they desserve. Therefore, they will not give you optimum service.
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Exactly Nuvola.
If you are in a lower-level establishment, you will wait on a bigger proportion of people who aren't educated about restaurants and tipping etiquette.
Some will be rascists, like Washu2002, looking to find bigotry in every situation possible, others will be freeloaders like Thinker's family . Some will be foreigners who didn't bother to learn American dining customs before visiting our land and some will be nuts like Lords is with her convoluted and oxymoronic logic.
Luckily, even in the lower-end restuarants, patrons usually tip well for good service.
Hopefully, those who undertip out of ignorance rather than malice or penury will change their habits.
Karma will take care of the others.
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How am I being "rascist" when iloveny is black. And yes, teleburst makes a good point by counterposing her "anecdotal evidence" of blacks overtipping against those of blacks undertipping. People compensate excellent service.
Am I a "rascist" for calling iloveny on her white supremist ideas about blacks being inherently cheap and "ungrateful"? No. Your calling me, washu2002, a "rascist" is simply nonsensical psychological projection.
scarlett darling, when you stop thinking negatively about your customers and actually concentrate on your performance, your tips will improve. End of story. Move on. Stop feeling entitled and stop giving into your imaginary myths of moral superiority. You are in the hospitality industry so smile and be efficient. |
goldenfoxx
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Washu2002...
Your an idoit and a racist...
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goldenfoxx
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Washu2002...
No seriously I think your just misinformed (that and I dont think your reading the above posts to carefully).
Again I ask you, if I dont like waiting on marines because I think I will get a poor tip, does that make me anti-Military. If I like waiting on gay men because I will usually get a great tip (although not always) does that make me gay???? Racism is a strong word to cry. I believe it is lack of education, but that doesnt change the PROBABILITY of me getting a poor tip from the next African American table I wait on. And its simply because of the type of restaurant I work in. Fine dining is the exact opposite. I would be counting on a great tip. Does that make me a racist, I hope not. But I know how to adjust the odds.
Teleburst, generally I agree with you on things, but I cant agree with you on this one. Still think your great though... |
washu2002
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"if I dont like waiting on marines because I think I will get a poor tip, does that make me anti-Military." No, it just makes you an idiotic prick. Those people put their lives on the line for you.
We all know how much education you require to do a job any simp could do. That obviously qualifies you to adopt the paternalistic tone of "teach the darkies".
When a waitress holds a belief in the "probability" of a black patron tipping less than a white one, that waitress is by definition racist, classifying her customers by race. The belief system does her absolutely no good in that she'll have to wait on both customers anyway. You cannot convince me that a waitress who believes that those "Canadians" (those niggers) won't tip anyway will give equally exceptional service to the black customers. Any psychologist would agree.
Just do your job and stop trying to justify your racism. |
teleburst
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"And yes, teleburst makes a good point by counterposing her "anecdotal evidence" of blacks overtipping against those of blacks undertipping".
Ahem...that would be "his anecdotal evidence".
And you shouldn't take Scarlett to task because she believes the same way as I do, as well as having blacks in her immediate family circle, and she doesn't have to worry about the quality of her tips. |
teleburst
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While you protest that you aren't racist, washu, you certainly have played the master/servant class card. And that sucks. Of course, the fact is that you are probably just doing it for effect, but frankly, that doesn't cut it with me, nor does it help you support your argument. |
scarlett
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Teleburst, have I told you lately that I love you?
Washu if you had read any of my previous posts, you would see that I like, Teleburst, welcome African American tables and usually get excellent tips from my Black patrons....none of whom order me to "Hop to it!" And as Teleburst mentioned, my own family is multi-racial.
You were called a rascist because that is how you appear to us here.
As for those others mentioned in my previous post, I beleive they are all white.
Again, I stand by my premise that it is one's Economic CLASS not one's RACE that has bearing on the tip amount. Those from less educated classes don't usually know about tipping protocol.
Patrons who give us an an attitude frequently get an attitude back; we servers are human beings too.
Be careful whom you insult, you'll lose an potential ally and gain an opponent.
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pizzaman11
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I really have a problem with the excuses that are given to people that don't tip, mostly because they are not true. As a pizza guy, I get to actually SEE where all these people live, and it is not economic based... deliveries to whites in the poor neighborhood garner a much higher tip on the average than those to blacks. These white kids are growing up going to the same public schools as the children in the black families. The next step is to say that it is cultural, which bothers me to no end. To say that non tipping practices are cultural is to minimize true African, Eurpoean, or Central American culture that contributes to our melting pot in the United States. Disrespect (for example: not coming to the door, not having the money ready, yelling as loud as humanly possible at all times, seeming as though my coming to their house is an inconvenience to them) is not culture. The me-first attitude that has been promulgated by "role models" in the hip hop lifestyle is killing our society. I cannot speak for servers in restaurants, as it has been a few years since I did that, but there are a lot more observations that can be made by bringing food to someone's home than simply to their table.
After all, most servers don't walk up to tables only to find three babies in nothing but diapers in a room completely empty except for a big screen tv. And the saddest thing... its these two year olds who are answering the door. If the world would stop being politically correct and actually address these problems, maybe an open discussion could occur. |
washu2002
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Just who am I being racist against? |
scarlett
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Washu, you're being rascist against Blacks if you assume that Blacks are low class. You're being rascist against whites if you automatically assume that most whites are prejudiiced against Blacks, you're being prejudiced against Gypsies and college grads when you diss me because I'm part Gypsy and a college grad.
Your whole tenor from your posts indicates that you have a chip on your shoulder for slights both real and imagined. Get over yourself.
BTW, as I said many,many times before, I get excellent tips from my African American patrons.
Today for example, 2 of my African American patrons tipped me $7.00 each on checks of $26.00 & $25.00 respectectively.
I did not "HOP TO IT" for anyone, white Black or purple. I did give polite and friendly service to everyone. I was as polite and friendly to my last table at 10PM as I was to my first table at 10AM. Yes, that's right, 12 hours on my feet the whole time, and smiling the whole time. I walked with a little under $250.00 after tipping out the busboy, so I guess I don't need your help to earn good money or great tips.
Oh, and I'm in my mid 50's not some kid.
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Turnabout is always fair play. So, the next time you dine out and get a black server -- STIFF THEM. Then leave them a little note explaining that you don't tip black people because black people don't tip. Then, the next time you have a white server, tip them the usual amount PLUS the amount you saved by not tipping the black server. The reactions you get from those black servers range from downright funny to absolutely hilarious.
While you can be sued by black people for giving poor service, you cannot be sued for refusing to tip them and passing their tips along to the unfortunate white people who have to wait on them.
We can change the world one table at a time. |
washu2002
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scarlett, you sound hysterical and incoherent. I know it must be difficult for you to wrap your brain around what I'm saying.
I keep reading these charges that I'm "coming off as racist". iloveny is black, yet she indeed holds internalized white supremist ideas of "blacks being low-class". However, I'm being a racist for calling her on her racism. That makes a lot of sense. |
fkapaulb
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Washu -- You are never going to convince people like scarlett and teleburst that you are not racist. You disagree with them, ipso facto, you ARE racist. Let it go.
It's kind of like observing that the September 11 perpetrators were all arabs. Even though its a FACT, your racist for observing it.
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iloveny
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"I keep reading these charges that I'm "coming off as racist". iloveny is black, yet she indeed holds internalized white supremist ideas of "blacks being low-class". However, I'm being a racist for calling her on her racism. That makes a lot of sense."
Yeah, I INDEED hold internalized white supremist ideas, you idiot. I'm sure you know what I internalize, washout, because we know each other so well. Yet, you act like we're crazy because you KNOW I'm a racist (yeah, whatever, moron) but don't think it makes sense that we see you as one. If anyone can point out to me the spot where I said or alluded to blacks (me, my mom, my dad, my nana...)all being low class I'd love to see it. Oh, that's right, I didn't. The quotes used are especialy inappropriate. I stated the truth as I've witnessed it. The blacks that frequent the restaurant I work in don't tip very well on average regardless of the service or color of or caliber of server they get. To everyone who thinks that people who go through this all the time and lets their service reflect it I say bull. We do this for money. If I'm not giving 110% to all my tables than I'm guaranteed to make bad tips. I go into it knowing that there are always exceptions. I know that everyone has the ability to suprise, and it happens. So yes, I do believe I'm a good judge. Back to washout, you think that people only tip on service, nothing else. If the tip sucks than the person is still a classy, civilized, generous person and the service was bad. Always. You're an idiot. This is all just beyond the scope of what you're going to be able to grasp, okay. So just stop asking the same question 20 times and realize that you've lost. We see you for what you are, a racist troll, and respond in kind. Anyway, I for one, am done answering this troll. I've listened to him cry racism for long enough on one thread.
I'm not coming back to this one or responding anymore, guys. Washout bores me. See you all on another thread.
P.S. - I'm sure you'll all see a bunch of "well, I guess I pushed her buttons, blackie is a racist after all, huh? I proved it because she's done responding now so she must hate blacks! Why else would she give up unless I said something she thinks is true...blah, blah, blah"...you get the picture. At least, that's my guess, since trolls usually do that to bait people into responding. So, really, don't feed the racist little troll.
"and yeah...why don't you go ahead and come in on Sunday, too...get a jump on the week, k?"
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washu2002
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Okay, this is a class issue? No one's phrasing it that way. "these blacks didn't do" or "this black couple left". If this is a class issue then why not point out the whites who aren't tipping, I guess they get a pass. This is racism plain and simple.
I *never* called you a darkie. I'm writing out the inherent thought process behind racist restaurant practices.
iloveny, I love the sinner and hate the sin. I love you enough to call you on your white supremist beliefs. That's all. No, you haven't "won", unless you're admitting that we live in society that generally devalues blacks as a whole. In that case, yeah, I guess you have won. You win. You, your mother, your father, yourself, you are darkies that are ungrateful, cheap, "trolls", pickininnies born of crack-addicted welfare queens who were never taught how to properly tip. This is how a white supremist mindset must see you. I guess we should civilize the darkies into this modern practice. You think you're the "exception"? Then you're the exception to this. This is ridiculous.
iloveny, this is how people see you darling. I tried changing some minds. The Yatch club that left no tip, they get a pass, no one confronts the culture of entitlement that allows them to dismiss servers with immunity. The majority of the people in that database are white.
A racist mind forgives whites for undertipping and clings to an idea of blacks undertipping more than whites. If this is a class issue, then whites are indeed undertipping at the same rate as blacks. If not, then it obviously is your racist mindset preventing you from providing the same level of service. End of story. |
trevorparsons
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"A racist mind forgives whites for undertipping and clings to an idea of blacks undertipping more than whites."
Washu, again you're wrong. None of us "forgive" whites for undertipping. Believe me, we all remember those who do. It just so happens that we generally encounter less whites who undertip than we do blacks. Simple as that.
For the sake of the discussion, I think we would all appreciate it if you would cease in attempting to make the topic more complex than it is. |
teleburst
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Okay, this is a class issue? No one's phrasing it that way".
Actually, if you had read the thread a little ways back, like you claim to have, you'll know that there are at least three of us that ARE making that very point, and I'm one of them.
And to Parsons:
"For the sake of the discussion, I think we would all appreciate it if you would cease in attempting to make the topic more complex than it is".
Unfortunately, the issue isn't just black and white (pardon the pun). |
jammie
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Im reading all of this and it seems washu just wants to argue.He started the thread with calling all of us racist fuqes (or however he spelled it). I can understand how he is angry getting the vibe when being waited on. Is it possible he is giving it off as well and the server is just responding to him? That Im sure never entered his mind. Although he is quick to point out that that is why some blacks may not tip well. Myself I wait on everybody and hope for the best, because I try hard to please.
I think washu is racist he seems to hate white people. |
vozveratu
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iloveny, "you are dismissed" haha, you're the one who sounds retarded. Please know your place. When I come into your restaurant you are my server. That half hour's wage depends on me and for that period of time I am your economic superior.
Sounds like the same beliefs of the supremist groups out there. Look at what he is saying, "I come in, your my server..", "...period of time I am your economic superior."
Bah, I like to think of my customers as guests to the restaurant and treat everyone that way. You on the other hand, think we should treat you differently than our white guests because your black.
Yeah, you keep on believing that load of crap.
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washu2002
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Stop blaming the messenger for pointing out your outdated counterproductive belief system. Stop classifying me based on race and you won't have any reason to believe that you have to treat me differently than your "white" customers. vozveratu, let it go. you lost this argument several posts ago. |
vozveratu
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Yeah, I was kind of bored when I read some of the posts, I felt like beating a dead horse.
you lost this argument several posts ago.
Actually, can you elaborate on what competition or debate we were involved with that shows that I lost? I think your most recent post was the first in which you actually used my name.
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fatblackwoman
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Hold up ya'll!! I been readin' some of these risponses to this here thread, and I thinks ya'll is stupid.
I'm a big, fat, lazy, worthless black woman with 6 kidz, and I never tip my waiterz. Whenever dey bringz me my food, I likes to ask them to run a bunch of errandz cuz it'z fun to watch 'em run around like lab rats. I always complain as much as I can in hopes of gettin' me some free food. I've been banned from a few restarantz here in Jacktizzle, but one day, I'm gonna stop being so lazy and sue some folk!! |
tricky
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This might be the most offensive troll I've ever encountered. |
thegirl
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Lords has been reincarnated...
Or maybe she's bored.
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fatblackwoman
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Look, you people can say what you want about your "politically correct" movement and your "tolerance" of the black people, but if you could live in my shoes for one day, and serve several black customers in mississippi, you might understand that there is some truth to the stereotype that blacks are poor tippers.
On our wait staff, we have a girl from Boston. She came here with no pre-conceived notions of "African-Americans," but after waiting on them for under a month, she has come to the reluctant conclusion that they are ignorant, uneducated, and downright rude (not to mention they won't hesitate to leave $5 on an eight person, $150 table). If any of you could experience the abuse and grief they can dish out on a weekly basis, you might agree with me when I say they should be rounded up onto busses and sent to concentration camps. |
nuvola09
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Whoa dude.
The thing is, it happens to be extremely bad in certain areas, it's not like that all over the US. That's why a lot of us don't see it the way that others do, depending on region.
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scarlett
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"..they should be rounded up onto busses and sent to concentration camps."
You're one sick, sick puppy, Fat.
"This might be the most offensive troll I've ever encountered"
Ya think?
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vozveratu
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Price we pay for having Freedom. One man's opinion is another person's insult. Now I may understand the frustration of this person's daily routine, I would be more inclinded to solve the problem than come on the boards and bitch about the problem while offending those on the board who do tip and are of the African-American heritage.
Solving the problem may not be easy, but the first thing I would do is get another job at another restaurant, or start another career in something else.
Good luck to ya.
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rhythmcell
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Yeah... a good amount of black people tip like skit... but so do a good amount of white people.
#1 Fluk racism
#2 I am a 28 year old, well dressed caucasian man from NJ, and still get profiled all the time... why??? cause My girlfriend and I look like we are both 18!!!
#3 I do notice that the service is kind of surly, sometimes, when I go out with my black/latino/asian friends. Its like people automatically see a skin color different than thier own + cringe ;(
#4 We are all human... some humans are doucheballs, and some are good... don't judge a book by its cover
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abracadeborah
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http://homepage.mac.com/popemark/iblog/C2041067432/E1151131833/
Quote: Then there is the mac daddy question... Does race affect size of tip? Almost every restaurant or bar that I have ever worked at had the employee who would give speech to the unspeakable. That African Americans tip less than Caucasian diners. Is it true?
The study found that 63 percent of blacks and 30 percent of whites didn't understand that the standard restaurant tip in the United States is 15 to 20 percent. The difference between how blacks and whites view tipping has serious ramifications for restaurants, including lawsuits and lost profits, Williams reports.
"The average tip from a black customer is about 13 percent of the bill. The average tip from a white customer is about 16.5 percent of the bill," says Dr. Michael Lynn, the study's author.
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Clearly, this study was conducted by the Klan, or possibly George Wallace funded it? |
washu2002
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Just thought I'd resurrect a dead horse to beat it down again. |
jmvic
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How about treating EVERYONE courteously? That way, people of ALL races get a good experience, and the server gets a good tip?
"So what did you use Lords, KY or Tartar sauce?"-"vozveratu," in response to Lords' "habits"
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jmvic
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How about treating EVERYONE courteously? That way, people of ALL races get a good experience, and the server gets a good tip?
"So what did you use Lords, KY or Tartar sauce?"-"vozveratu," in response to Lords' "habits"
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vozveratu
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How about treating EVERYONE courteously?
The good news is the server HAS to treat everyone nice or they get fired. But as proven time and time again, certain people tip better than others because of history, education, background, sex, and monetary worth.
Here's a good example of being proven wrong on certain people.
Two business men, one president of Harris Teeter (Fred M..something something) Anyhoo, He tips 20.00 on 117.45. About 16 - 17%.
Four women, spend $287.00 on food and wine. The one woman tips $100.00. Woohoo. Love those women!
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washu2002
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jmvic, that's what a good server does. There is no need to try to discriminate and get your panties in a bunch over a couple of pennies. It's not going to make or break your 401K! LOL! |
jmvic
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There's one easy way be improve you serving: SMILE!
"St. Louis is closer to Minneapolis than Milwaukee is."
--Bud Selig
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fatblackwoman
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I have since quit serving the inferior races, and am now working among side them at a local deli.
I still hold the opinion that they are mostly lazy, corrupt, and downright ignorant. Above all, the white man simply cannot live among the negro because of the outrageous culture gap. The black man prioritizes material objects (cars and stereo equipment mostly), women and fashion. The white man prioritizes cash flow, family, and etiquette.
We must separate ourselves from them or suffer the consequences! |
mister_acid
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fatblackwoman and washu2002, you should get a job at my wife's former doughnut shop. |
vozveratu
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We must separate ourselves from them or suffer the consequences!
More like YOU must seperate yourself from society or suffer the consequences of acting like a twit. |
tricky
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It's one thing to have a troll; as much as she frustrates us, we love our lords. But I'm not big on the ramblings of a KKK member -- do we have mods? What's our deletion policy; can we kick this one out? |
teleburst
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This one HAS been kicked out before. He's a "southern lawyer" who likes to stiff black servers and give the money to the next white server he sees, no matter how bad the service is.
I'm sure that if someone notifies the mod, Manny, he'll take care of it. |
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