Post Number: 113
|Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 03:25 am: |
Sorry everyone...you all know I tend to post long when I respond to these kind of comments, but heh I cant help myself...
>>>Tipping is really a form of social terrorism.
Ok so the servers that are in complete dependancy of the guest to recognize and reward the service being offered and given is the terrorist??? What? Tipping is set up to EMPOWER the guest. It puts a majority of the wages in the hands of the guest itself. Those damn evil servers. How dare they!!!
>>>People would rather not tip.
And people would rather not have to pay for stuff they recieved but I live in the real world...what color is the sky in your world???
>>>People don't actually get any benefit from tipping that they wouldn't otherwise get.
The First time. But if they are recognized for not paying appropriate reward for appropriate service, they will face the reprecussions of thier decision.
>>>But people are coerced into tipping. When people tip, they tip to prevent bad things from happening that wouldn't happen if there were no tipping convention.
You mean not having a server provide the service that you are not paying them for? Are you a total and complete jackass. Guess what the rest of the world gets that you pay the price on the menu for the food item and you tip the server for the service they provide...why dont you get it...oh yeah you live in this other Teletubby world... sorry I forgot.
>>>Moreover, the irrationality of tipping artificially inflates the incomes of servers.
Artificially...what the hell are you talking about. Oh you are saying that servers are making more money than they are worth...hummm... Im thinking that perhaps you never tried serving before. It is usually the veiw of people to think others are making too much money and that you are not making enough money. This reminds me of a Dr. Phil show(at least I think it was Dr Phil) where a woman was an adamant non tipper, and they had her work at a bistro for a day. I think it took two hours before her she became a believer in the tipping system. But I could have told them the outcome. Ignorant people tend to have strong opinions based on other opinions and evidence is not really important. Reminds me of a poster we had about 6 months ago...any one remember Homeland???
>>>If the incomes were entirely controlled by the restaurant (which is the practice in most of the world), total server incomes would fall, and the total meal price paid by consumers would fall.
This is an intresting idea...anyone know the hourly wage of Australian servers???
>>>Businesses aren't charities. Unlike customers, they wouldn't pay servers more just because the customer happened to order something more expensive. They know that the server doesn't deserve more money because the customer decided to order something more expensive.
Hmm...have you ever heard of a salesman? Guess what...when a salesman sells 500K a year he gets a commission...and guess whos paying it. The Client. It is included in the price. And guess what the commision usually is, a % of the sales. For some odd reason, restaurants have decided not to nix the client Automatically and empowers the guest with the power to decide for themselves on the service and the reward. Seems like the Guest wins. Oh..btw I sell at least $500K a year, and my employer is very fond of me...cant imagine why
>>>Right now, people don't pay tips because they think it's a fair fee for services actually rendered. People pay out of fear. It's social terrorism. It's like Mafia protection money. They pay because they don't want to be retaliated against when they return. They pay because they don't want others to think less of them. They're not paying because the server "deserves" that amount of money.
Um...seriously...how many people would go into a restaurant if they were subjected to such torture and anguish....they would simply not go out to eat. What you dont like is that YOU dont tip and YOU dont like the reprecussions of not getting service when you dont pay for it. Man, I crying here. Two tears...rolling down my cheek. A Majority of my guest appreciate good service and are more than happy to compensate me for such an experience. And the feeling of appreciation creates in me a feeling to be better next time. Its a great cycle the promotes itself....until someone like you enters the scene... the taker the evil one. Then we sigh...get over wasting our time on you and continue along to those tables that do appreciate us.
>>>Additionally, that irrationality actually harms the labor market because it reduces the incentives to have an efficient labor market. Tipping encourages servers to do less productive things than they otherwise would have.
Um serving is less productive than what...fixing roofs...ive tried the construction trade and quite honestly it sucks. Thank god serving is out there.
(1) We tip out of fear.
No you tip out of fear because you would not like to pay for anything and are truly clueless to the actual world.
(2) The amount of the tip isn't proportional to the service we actually get.
Um...where did this come from..I didnt see you mention this point once...oh...maybe you mentioned it in your world again.
(3) Tipping hurts the economy by causing people to wait tables instead of doing more productive things.
Um again...where did you prove this point...because you said it...come on fess up..you are really some 15 Year old kid who works at Blockbuster or McDonalds..arent you and the other world you live in is the pre-adult world....come on we already know so you can admit it. Your words have already admitted it...your arguments are structured like someone who hasnt even been to ENGLISH 100.
(4) If we were to stop tipping we could save money.
You could indeed save money on that one bill but it seems the bulk of the argument isnt the saving of the money...its the fear of having to face the consequences of your actions. That you might actually need to recieve service from someone you have jipped out of thier just rewards. And the great part is that you almost certainly will....and it puts glee in my heart just to type those words. YOU WILL HAVE TO FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTION. Welcome to accountability. Its a major part of adulthood but dont worry you will eventually get used to it. Shucks, one day you might even like it.
To Scarlett... I know hes a troll but the response is for the multitude (giggle) of people who drop by this website and read this stuff. Sometimes its hard to convince people to do the right thing as opposed to the easy thing, but I wont stop trying.